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Infidelity support thread for the betrayed party

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ppandj · 25/08/2017 16:47

I recently found out about my partner's affair, which occurred while I was pregnant and had a newborn (plus a toddler). My partner's behaviour was vile to me for a long time (turns out it was part of the guilt of the affair) and I had been considering ending our relationship anyway. Then I found out about the infidelity and our world has come crashing down, we are both devastated and my partner has had a wake up call- all the illusion of his affair has been shattered and he realises what he jeopardised when he made those choices. I have not yet decided what to do long term; whether we stay together depends largely on him and whether he can have a good look at himself and learn his lessons, but also I need to build my self-esteem and think about what I actually want.

Since I found out I have been on MN (more than usual Wink) and have read some old threads where the betrayed spouses were supporting eachother. I have also seen that there are many coping with this shitty experience currently posting. So I thought maybe we can have a thread to know that we aren't alone.

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FrancesDestroyed · 27/04/2018 15:47

Thanks WhatAreYou.... I've just read about lethal flatness on the forum you suggested. That does seem to be where I am now.
It's just as if I feel flat inside, nothing gives me joy.

WhatAreYouLookingAt · 27/04/2018 17:40

The strong emotions have dissipated and now you're probably feeling 'is this what my life is now'

The old things that gave you joy are now tainted and it's impossible to try and get back to the innocent happiness that you felt before. That is gone and is never coming back.

What you can do is find new things to bring you joy. Things separate from your husband. Let's face it, neither one of us can build a life based on a fractured marriage so the objective needs to be about protecting ourselves and building a life out with that relationship.

If in a year, I am still married ( a fucking miracle) I hope that the person that I am has more friends, socialises more and feels better about me. Fuck the man who fathered my kids ( doesn't deserve the H title- prick)

Lotsofponies · 27/04/2018 18:04

Hi folks I haven't posted on here for ages, and not at all on this thread. My partner of 22 years was unfaithful 3 years ago. We were going through a shit time and had been since the birth of our youngest child 2 years earlier, he was a non sleeper, say no more! If there was a scale of 1 - 10 for infidelity, his scored fairly low, it was a ONS at a wedding abroad that didn't go all the way. He fessed up 6 weeks later after attempting to woo another lady on a drunk night out (He failed this time, she wasn't interested then he fell asleep) he couldn't stand the guilt and was confused as to why he could do this and did it mean he didn't love me?

Foolishly I agreed to try to rebuild, providing he was totally honest about what happened. Suffice to say it was 6 months before he told the full truth. He minimised big time, at first he told me he had met someone he felt really strongly about, all very heartfelt and innocent. I was devastated that he would consider leaving me, our 18 year relationship and 3 children for a woman he had met once. I presumed it must be true love.

Of course this was bullshit. The truth was he was pissed, she was pissed, they talked for about 20 mins and ended up in an 'end of the night, grubby, groping snog fest'. For me this would have been much so much easier to understand and forgive. It was the lies that did me in, the loss of trust and integrity. At one point he swore on his childrens lives. He is not sure why he lied so much, he just couldn't bear to say what he had done. I have read that men consider physical infedilty as worse than emotional. Twats.

Initially I was heartbroken but very positive we could get though it, HB didn't help. I then had about a year and a half of absolute roller coaster. I could do this, no I couldn't. My self esteem hit the floor, I was obsessed with her being younger, and prettier etc I went on Ads and anti anxiety meds and lost 3 stone. I even considered ending it all. Then it sort of plateuxed and the pain began to lessen, I like the lethal plain of flatness description. It's so true.

I am not sure what to do now. I dont really give a shit about her now. When i think about it i feel sad and dissapointed rather than pain. We get on well. We still have sex, I am not unnatracted to him, we genuinely share household and child caring duties, we have similar sense of humour and values. We have a lovely home and business together which would have to go if we separated.

I have this hardness around my heart now. I can't allow myself to let him back in. I don't like to kiss and be romantic (dirty banging sex only). I have lost some respect for him and like an earlier poster, I feel jealous of other women who partners have not been unfaithful. I have thrown myself into hobbies to get happiness.

I wonder if this will pass or if this it. It's not terrible, but not what I had hoped. We had so many wonderful years together when we were head over heels in love. Why did he have to be such a weak wanker and spoil everything. He admits it was all about his ego and feeling wanted.

FrancesDestroyed · 27/04/2018 23:37

WharAreYou, I totally get what you're saying, I have to do things for me now. That said, G is going motorbiking round Scotland with a mate, for a week including May bank holiday.
Ponies, my H said it was all about his ego too.

Alfiemoon1 · 27/04/2018 23:53

I have got passed the arguments and the hysterical bonding and we are just plodding along but every few weeks I seem to cause a row we don’t talk about it then its as if I think whoa things are going to well and put my defences back up. I think I need to look into personal counselling and although I am on a low dose of sertraline I wonder if this needs increasing or anxiety meds as it’s not so much low mood more anxiety. Neither of which I have ever suffered with before all this

FrancesDestroyed · 28/04/2018 10:19

Alfie, I could have written your last post. I do exactly that, then go back to plodding and not feeling again.

StarlightSparkle · 28/04/2018 10:24

I have felt this way sometimes since the HB phase finished. Sometimes we’re ok but other times I sink into a depressed state when everything seems a bit hopeless, and however things pan out it’s going to be shit.

He is trying really hard but even if he’s husband of the year for the rest of his life it won’t change what he did. We’ve started marriage counselling now so I’m hoping that might help.

yetmorecrap · 28/04/2018 14:10

I believe the old saying is you can’t Unring a rung bell and I think these guys don’t get that, they can turn into 100% Disney dad/husband and it’s nigh on impossible to feel exactly the same as you did

jeanniedeans · 28/04/2018 14:40

I wish I had discovered this thread before now - it was started three months after I found out about my partner's affair (physical and emotional) with a former friend of mine. I found out about it in May last year. I am very much at the horrible flat phase that FrancesDestroyed describes earlier (I think our timeframes are quite similar from what she says). I will read up about the 'lethal plain of flatness' that WhatAreYouLookingAt mentions above. It is a horrible phase to be in and I wish I could see a way out. I'm going to read all the older posts now and see if there are any more pearls of wisdom from people going through this same shit.

Alfiemoon1 · 28/04/2018 17:57

That it totally yet more. I go over and over in my head things he said to me. Like I think when I snooped and found his porn use. He said he was bored and lonely because I go to bed before he goes to work. Which was an excuse because he doesn’t leave for work til 11pm only gets up at 10 pm and doesn’t want to interact with me also his texts and calls to her were after he had started work. This is actually my latest blow up he said I looked tired and to go to bed in which I sniped back with u know full well why I stay up until you go to work. He only said it once and I know it was just a lame excuse gaslighting but it stook in my head

FrancesDestroyed · 28/04/2018 19:20

Jeanniedeans D day was March last year, we'd been married nearly 23 years. It's soul destroying. Flowers for you x

jeanniedeans · 28/04/2018 20:14

Frances thank you. How did you cope with getting through the one year anniversary of your d-day? Mine is coming up soon. I found out about his affair in May last year (our 23 year anniversary was five months later). His affair lasted for 11 months but actually I date it from at least 6 months before that, because that is when she started flirting with him, flattering him and telling him that she was in love with him, even though at that point he didn't reciprocate. He made absolutely no mention of any of this to me, so actually I feel that his infidelity started back in 2015 because he should have told me as soon as these conversations started (he recognises this now - far, far too late of course!) It was such a shock when I learnt how far back everything went. So many lies and so much deception. I didn't suspect a thing. We are still together and working through everything, but I am having a really hard time, especially as I don't know anyone IRL who has been through similar so who I can really talk to about everything. I feel very alone, but I'm very grateful for the online forums I've found where people have posted so openly about their experiences.

FrancesDestroyed · 28/04/2018 21:30

jeannie I found out 2 days after my birthday. He was so horrible and couldn't be bothered, putting me down etc, that I wondered what was going on and looked at his phone. He did a huge party for my special Wink birthday this year. I had said that I'd go away for D day eve, but because he'd tried so hard I didn't. This was a mistake. We ended up having a row. Next year, and for as long as I need to, I'm going to go to a spa hotel for a night for me, massage, facial, meal, lovely room etc. I hope you're ok Flowers

Alfiemoon1 · 28/04/2018 22:28

I a sure you I was totally mentally stable before all this but I am turning into a jekyl and Hyde personality dh is definitely having a midlife crisis protein drinks and wanted a just for men gradual grey reducing shampoo I supported this even bought if for him as a surprise joked about not wanting to be seen with a grey old man few weeks down the line I am kicking off who is he doing all this for ??? The hb was great felt close wanted etc then he had a few occasions where he couldn’t finish I was supportive bear in mind we weren’t exactly at it like rabbits last time it happened I had a paddy saying it was because I wasn’t her he doesn’t fancy me or it’s his porn use blah blah so I will be lucky if he ever goes near me again. Wish I could stop behaving like this

FrancesDestroyed · 28/04/2018 22:40

Alfiemoon YOU ARE NOT TO BLAME. Between Christmas and New Year, when he'd had no contact for 4 months, he had his fingers inside me and called me her name. Every time we're intimate now, I wonder who he's thinking of.
The thing is, I'm 5 ft 8, a size 8.....6 in Next, long blonde hair, blue eyes, red brick university degree and even after a mastectomy because of breast cancer, I'm at the top of my profession.
She's 5 ft 3, mousey brown hair, a huge nose, (possibly broken) and a real small town girl. There's nothing amazing about her, she was 28 to his 50. I wonder if she was easy to dominate and impress.......

FrancesDestroyed · 28/04/2018 22:41

Oh, and easy, if course Grin

Alfiemoon1 · 29/04/2018 08:16

I am feeling suspicious again he hardly uses WhatsApp but I have noticed he suddenly is again while at work. Not to her I have WhatsApp detective on there numbers he was on continually for 25 mins last night literally as soon as he got to work so I presume a call not sure whether to confront him as he’s lied to my face so many times but don’t want to turn into a crazy snooper again either. Don’t know whether to just make a sarky comment about him using it only at work but don’t want to let slip that i have detective on his phone in case i need to snoop again but he deletes everything anyway

Alfiemoon1 · 29/04/2018 11:19

This has been going on for the last 5 days I hadn’t checked WhatsApp detector for ages but looked last night I am trying not to be paranoid no new friends on Facebook I know he’s been hanging around at work for 2 hours bored before he gets sent out on a job so obviously on his phone but surely not many people are up at that time he’s on a martial arts chat but would they be up til 2 am in the week? Ok so is it his work mates but surely they would either be driving or sat with him waiting for Work

FrancesDestroyed · 29/04/2018 13:14

You're in heightened anxiety state Alfiemoon and it's completely understandable. So sorry Flowers

Alfiemoon1 · 29/04/2018 15:05

It could all be completely innocent but it has put doubt in my mind again. I don’t really know how I can confront him but at the same time not knowing is letting my imagination run wild obviously he can speak to people on WhatsApp but as that was how he communicated with v and it was mainly after he had gone to work his sudden useage of it is making me paranoid

Alfiemoon1 · 29/04/2018 22:36

He’s off tonight which is difficult so I am pottering around our room he’s not asked if anything is up but he doesn’t usually and puts it down to me being in a mood. Because of the whole situation he’s never accepted any blame I don’t feel like I can say I feel insecure who are you talking to on WhatsApp the minute you go to work I am even questioning if it’s her in a different number. I honestly haven’t been constantly tracking him on WhatsApp recently he had a problem performing again last week to which i sent him a pitiful / rant text that I obviously couldn’t satisfy him he obviously didn’t fancy me maybe he could lay off the porn get her and everyone else out of his mind and the following day he’s back on WhatsApp regularly the minute he gets to work like he was with her but to who her regular number that she is still using isn’t online at the same time as him

Alfiemoon1 · 29/04/2018 23:10

Literally just seen him go online on WhatsApp saw him frantically put his phone down so told him to carry on his conversation his reply was he hasn’t been i it pointed his finger at me he’s sick of being accused of stuff he’s done nothing wrong erm slight over reaction if it’s all innocent he’s taken his pj and is planning on sleeping on the sofa tonight

FrancesDestroyed · 29/04/2018 23:51

He's gaslighting you Alfiemoon. People with nothing to hide don't hide it.
Give him an ultimatum; Fantasy fck buddy on WhatsApp or real wife and children. Here's a bag for your stuff, you decide. "
Alfiemoon, You're worth so much more than this. Hold your head up high and be proud. You gave him a trust he doesn't deserve; that's his flaw, not yours.
I did this after I found H was still sexting plain, short, mousey, thick, big-nosed slag after I discovered their affair. I took a day off work to go see a solicitor.
He begged me to stay and it completely ended then. I packed his stuff into bin bags and asked for his keys. I'd had enough.
You are an honourable, loyal person. People mistake kindness and loyalty as a weakness;it's not, it shows strength of character.
How dare he treat you like this.
Make his decision for him. Your phone fck buddy or me
You deserve so much better Flowers

WhatAreYouLookingAt · 30/04/2018 05:03

Alfiemoon, if he has an iPhone and you have an iPad you can download WhatsApp to the iPad and link his WhatsApp account onto the iPad and watch any conversations in real time. Have the app on the iPad already downloaded and set up so when he falls asleep, sneak his phone for 20 seconds and scan a barcode and that's them linked. There's probably a similar set up for android phones and tablets.

That's what I did, almost destroyed me seeing the messages back and forth between them but at least I didn't have to deal with any denials. My cheating bastard was sending messages at work then deleting them before he came home. The other woman was a work colleague and they must have thought they were so smart and were getting away with it. He was ending the affair but trying to keep his whore sweet by telling her that I was ugly and he was only staying with me for the kids. When I messaged her from the iPad (from his WhatsApp) saying that she looking like a horse trying to eat an apple through a letterbox, the penny dropped for both of them. I could almost taste the panic from both of them from 20 miles away. Grin

Alfiemoon1 · 30/04/2018 22:47

Well me being me I ended up sending him screenshots of WhatsApp detector showing him being online not sure he read them til this morning as he was online at 4 am on the sofa. I got up with the kids as usual he was online at 7.15 when he went and got in our bed. He was taking my mum to the hospital and I was working today but heard him crashing in the bathroom probably as he had then got my screen shots in which I mentioned I would google who the number belonged to which is rubbish as it doesn’t give a number but was hoping for a answer as to who he was messaging nope nothing i come home from work and he merrily greets me he’s going to walk the dog ??? Who never gets walked at that time then states he will pick dd up From Work which again is usually me as he likes a few cans on his night off he’s acting like nothing has happened despite me not really engaging with him I really expected him to be angry i had tracked his phone

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