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why dont parents marry eachother?

249 replies

BarbieLovesKen · 30/03/2007 17:03

Just a general ponder?. I first want to emphasise that I do not mean this as a criticism towards ANYONES lifestyle whatsoever!! Every circumstance is completely different, everyone?s beliefs are different and I really do not think that there is a right or wrong in this at all just genuinely curious??

why aren?t people marrying anymore? ? I mean, if you love someone enough and are sure enough about them to make a baby with them ? this ? the most HUGE commitment you can ever possibly make?.. why not marry that person?.... really? I mean once you have a baby together ? you are bound together for life because of that baby?. Marriage (in my opinion) isn?t half the commitment to having a child with someone!!.........

My friends for instance together since they were kids- (15, 16) and have been together for 15 years now.. they have four beautiful children.. mad about each other but never married and no intentions to do so? I just wonder why not?

Before anyone gives out to me ? I?m not married.. dd (HATE saying it now that shes here) was ?unexpected? but the best thing that ever happened to us so we are, you could say, doing things ?backwards? ? in the process of building the house, are engaged and hope to get married next year? ideally (for us) we would have liked to do this all before she arrived but it doesn?t matter now ? I?m just wondering though that giving the option, if planning for a baby or trying to conceive ? why not get married, house etc FIRST? (I know not everything is as black and white as this but if you love each other very much and want a baby together sort of circumstance - then why not?) Would love to hear reasons/ opinions? just wondered?..

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expatinscotland · 02/04/2007 21:06

I agree, MI, in that I don't understand others' insistence on it or how others feel qualified to comment on the profoundly personal choice of others - seems the height of poor manners.

For us, it mattered.

For others, not so much.

expatinscotland · 02/04/2007 21:06

I agree, MI, in that I don't understand others' insistence on it or how others feel qualified to comment on the profoundly personal choice of others - seems the height of poor manners.

For us, it mattered.

For others, not so much.

motherinferior · 02/04/2007 21:06

But I don't want to commit to someone as my soulmate. Been there, done that, got the scars thank you very much.

mumfor1standfinaltime · 02/04/2007 21:07

I also had a civil wedding, very modest wedding with friends and family. We spent most of our money on our honeymoon.

Marriage to us is showing each other our love for one another, full stop.
I have been with dh for almost 12 years now, we lived together for about 6 yrs before marriage. I am not against people living together if not married - infact I recommend it to all!
I just wanted to be married before I had children. It felt good to be married before having ds somehow and 'living a little' before he came along!!

expatinscotland · 02/04/2007 21:09

I'm with you there. I do not believe in 'soulmates' or 'the one'. I mean, what if the person you think is 'the one' doesn't feel the same way? Does that mean there's no one else you can be stunningly happy with?

What if she/he dies, leaves you, joins a cult?

Bit silly to restrict the potential for great love in such a way.

As for 'soulmates', more nonsense if you ask me.

My soul is complete on its own. It needs no compliment.

Marriage has many facets.

sheepgomeep · 02/04/2007 21:16

Money is the main reason.

can't even afford a cheap wedding at the moment and we both have very little family to help financially.

I would love to elope.. go to gretna green or whatever but I think we would upset a lot of people if we did

expatinscotland · 02/04/2007 21:18

It costs £75, sheep.

You do not need rings, even.

Just two witnesses and £75 for the license fee.

That's it.

People use money as an excuse, IMO.

mumfor1standfinaltime · 02/04/2007 21:31

Sugared almonds and place name settings are not an essential item to show your commitment to one another.

Rule number one - never invite anyone to your wedding that you don't want to be there!

sheepgomeep · 02/04/2007 21:36

expat i must admit it does appeal to me, no hassle from family trying to take over like my mum for example

or having to face dp embarrassment that none of his weird shitty family have turned up (would be a blessing in disguise really I suppose!)

or having to worry whether my mum would get on with dp ex's family, sounds weird but he is like a surrogate son to them (i'm fine with this btw)

But I would face my parents dissapointment as my dad would love to walk me up the aisle, he is very ill atm.

Also my children and his dd's wouldn't get to be bridesmaid and pageboy and I think this would upset me too.

just wish i could be brave....

squeakybub · 02/04/2007 21:41

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2cheekymonkeys · 02/04/2007 23:24

My partner's not bothered either. i realised the main reason i wanted to get married was to have the same name as my dc. so i changed it by deed poll. Much quicker and much, much cheaper.

puffling · 03/04/2007 11:52

We've been together for 14 years, have one baby and my partner doesn't want to get married either. It would be wrong to force him into it unless I had pretty strong views on the matter, which I don't.
I'd be interested to know what the pro marriage people think in this case.

Jackaroo · 03/04/2007 13:35

Hi Puffling, mmm, I think you need to know exactly why he's against it - maybe you do know...

I got fed up with everyone assuming we were going to get married, because it made me doubt DH's committment to me, and we ended up having a "debate" about it...he thought I didn't want to get married as we hadn't talked about it for such a long time.. and he asked me a week later. I loved the wedding itself, but it was very much a family thing. My parents assumed that they could invite a third of the guests etc (I know, i know) so there were some very heated moments, but I suppose I wanted to get married in church, as I do have a faith of sorts (always struggling with that one!), and it was fantastically traditional, and we all threw alot of money at it.
But as a recent poster said, at that moment, it was just DH and me, and we still remember it with real fondness, 3 whole years later lol!!

I we really did feel different since getting married. I've heard this a couple of times from friends who have waited years to get married, and then said they're so glad they did. One friend really got stroppy and really shoved her DH into it, but at the wedding he was the one overcome and saying "why didn't we do this years ago"? I don't think it always means as little as some think. I also know it has to be about the two of you though, rahter than because you should/because you're having children.

I also quite frequently hear of the scenario where one wants to get married and the other thinks it's "just a piece of paper", to which I guess the trite answer is, well if it's just a piece of paper, and it makes your partner happy, then just get on with it.

Being "that" committed can't save you from heartache, but if you think you'll enjoy how it feels in the meantime, then go for it.

Oh, and I do have thoughts on the whole effect on society, but I can't quite articulate it. Where I live there is a huge babymother culture, and many [many] girls/women have one or more babies with a man who has babies with other women, and many of the men pay towards all the children, but many more don't, and it's now accepted as normal. The few women in that situation that I've chatted to at groups etc seem to feel powerless in the face of this.. rather than liberated by it.

There is a huge difference between an educated women with an above average salary embarking on having a child alone, or end up in a single parent unit due to circumstances, and those who, particularly when very young, see it as a way of belonging, or as above, just as the "norm" before they have any idea what they are capable of, or could aspire to. None of this, I hasten to add, is directly linked to marriage imo, but is maybe the sort of situation you don't get so frequently when there is a clearly identified structure that everyone sees as a good thing.

My caveat, if anyone thinks I'm being simplistic or similar. I was in an abusive relationship for 7 years, I suspect if we had got married as planned, I would still be there, or dead. For me it was the end of a huge relationship akin to a marriage, to others it was just a boyfriend and girlfriend splitting up. So I guess that colours my first comments too.

Sorry, some unbalanced waffle in there!

drosophila · 03/04/2007 18:38

Expat or anyone else that says they felt different after they got married can you elaborate. I truly find it difficult to understand how a commitment ceremony albeit a legal one make you FEEL differently.

Was there something lacking in your relationship before?

Did you need that extra display of commitment because you didn't really think your partner of the time was truly committed?

Did something about the public display make you feel somehow different and by display I mean more than just the ceremony but the knowledge amongst friends and family and maybe even MNers that you have a husband and went that extra mile for the relationship?

newgirl · 03/04/2007 21:11

hi drosophila - in answer to your q

i felt different when we met the registrar a few days before our wedding to fill in forms and go through the words

when we left the office that day we felt married

how to define different - i felt it was a pact between us, that life had changed, that we were a unit - it shocked me how different i felt

it might be just that it is incredibly romantic - not in the cheesy roses sort of way, just an opportunity to just think about the two of you and not mortgages, kids etc

expatinscotland · 03/04/2007 21:13

Why me?

I've been pretty neutral about this. Because I am.

I never attacked anyone who isn't married by saying their relationship was cocked up, so why the implication that somehow we didn't feel secure, weren't committed, etc.?

You know?

I wrote that it wasn't for all people, but it was for us.

Nothing was lacking in our relationship anymore than it is yours.

I never asked anyone to justify not being married, so why jump on people who are to justify their decision?

expatinscotland · 03/04/2007 21:14

We eloped.

No family and friends were there.

Two strangers off the street and the lady from the REgistry place where there.

soopermum1 · 03/04/2007 21:37

DH and me were married about 5 years before we had DS, was a bit of a passport thing (shock) but we're both kinda old fashioned so we went for it. hate hate hate his surname, though, one of the downsides of being married

Bucketsofdynomite · 03/04/2007 22:09

It's about saying it out loud, whether anyone but the registrar and 2 witnesses heard, when you are married, everyone knows you have said those things (which are romantic in a non-soppy way) out loud to each other.
Otherwise, there is always the chance of people assuming that you just fell into the relationship and potter along or that one is more excited about the relationship than the other or that you don't think of each other as soulmates. Those can be true for married couples too but because they've both made those vows, people will always tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

drosophila · 05/04/2007 15:22

Whoa expat I was not having a go just truly interested in how a ceremony can make people feel differently.

I don't really get it.

expatinscotland · 05/04/2007 15:24

Well, it's a legal agreement, for one.

Makes your relationship take on a different legal status.

In our case, our children would not have been entitled to British nationality had we not been married, despite their being born in Scotland to a Scottish father.

Dropsy · 05/04/2007 15:24

me neither drops

drosophila · 05/04/2007 15:36

My kids are not British either being born to an Irish Mother. Hasn't been a problem but I guess there is a 'special' relationship between Ireland and the UK.

I knew a woman once who found out her long term boyfriend (about 10yrs) had been having an affair. She said that had they been married it would have killed the marriage. As they were 'only' boyfriend and girlfriend she was able to forgive , move on and marry him.

I never understood that. I think marriage whichever side of the fence you are on seem to invoke strong 'feelings'.

expatinscotland · 05/04/2007 15:38

It would be a pretty serious problem for us, dros, because I am American, therefore DD1 would not have been an EU nationals at all.

I have since become a British national through naturalisation, but at the time DD1 was born, I was not eligible to do this.

Irish people are EU nationals.

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