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Should I leave my wife?

171 replies

Maninturmoil · 31/07/2017 15:20

OK so I know I'm going to get abuse here... but I am in turmoil and searching for the right thing to do. Both for me, my wife, and my child. I'm in my early 30s and have been married for 5 years (in relationship for 10). We have a 4 yo boy, who I love with all my heart.

For a while now (maybe 2 years) I've felt unhappy and trapped in my marriage. For even longer than that there have been worrying warning signs that I perhaps hadn't married my life-long love, but I pushed these to the back of my mind as I thought happiness would follow once we'd built a home together and accumulated wealth, kids, etc. (I know I was stupid to ignore these impulses and only have self to blame)

We've done all that now (house, kid, etc) and I still feel the same - actually worse. We have an almost sexless marriage (max 10 times a year - and we're both young), which has actually been the case since before we had our child. We have very little in common other than raising our boy, and I feel bored in her company. I find that I've completely disengaged from the relationship and that we are friends/roommates rather than lovers. I have explained my concerns at the lack of intimacy on numerous occasions throughout the years... usually met with a response that my expectations are unrealistic. Things might improve for a few weeks after each conversation but then quickly revert back.

I've had nagging doubts for a long time (probably forever really) whether me and my wife are truly compatible, but on paper she's great (beautiful, kind, ambitious, honest, great mum) and we make a fantastic team in building a home/family. The problem is that I don't think I love her. I care about her, but I feel nothing when she says "I love you", and I don't look forward to spending time with her. We get on OK as friends, but there is no spark there.

Here is where the abuse comes... I met someone else a couple of months ago, and she made me feel alive again. I felt emotions I forgot existed. I didn't sleep with her but carried on a bit of an emotional affair for a couple weeks. I know that lust is fleeting and these initial feelings ALWAYS die away eventually. I'm not kidding myself that this new woman is my soulmate or that we'd have a future together. I took the decision to cut off all contact with this person because I knew having a third party involved would complicate things in my mind, and also cause huge pain if I had a full-blown affair.

What this experience did tell me though is that there is life outside my marriage and I feel like I'm settling for a so-so, passionless marriage with someone I don't love. I don't want to live a lie for the rest of my life.

About a week ago I told my wife how I felt. That I didn't lover her any more, and that I was considering whether we should separate. I also told her about me meeting this other woman and how she made me feel. I thought my wife deserved to know, even though she's not in the picture anymore. She is of course devastated by all this and, apart from the intimacy issues we'd been having, is a bit shocked. She says she still loves me.

I know that the right thing to do is to work on my marriage. I just don't have the heart or energy to put into it. If I don't love my wife anymore is it fairer on everyone that I leave and let us both meet people who make us happy? My fear is that we stay together for our child and financial stability, and then end up splitting up when they hit 18... only for us to have our youth pass us by without the chance to find happiness with someone else. It goes without saying that I would of course continue to be a good and supportive father whatever happens.

Thoughts? Advice? I know that people will jump on the other woman stuff... but please believe me when I say I don't have any intention of pursuing anything with her. If I left, I'd want to be by myself for a bit first before getting into anything else.

OP posts:
RebornSlippy · 31/07/2017 15:23

No abuse from me. Shit happens. Relationships end. Leave.

RiseToday · 31/07/2017 15:30

I would leave. You've made it very clear that you're not in love with her. There really isn't anything to 'work on' and if your hearts not truly in it, it would just be a waste of time.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 31/07/2017 15:30

I don't see why anyone should be abusive to you, you're dealing with the situation best you can.

I was with DH for 25 years, I loved him or perhaps cared for him but I didn't want to grow old with him. I felt like that for a good few years and I eventually left him when I was 43 because I met someone who turned my head. I didn't leave for this guy, but I did leave BECAUSE of him, because he made me realise the sort of person I wanted to be with, and sadly it wasn't my DH.

So, if in your heart you know you can't bring those feeling back for your DW then the best thing to do for all of you is to leave and let her, and yourself, form a new happier life. It will be hard, but eventually it will be worth it.

Adora10 · 31/07/2017 15:34

Yes leave, you know when you love and are in love with someone and want to spend the rest of your life with them; this woman clearly is not the one for you and what you did is pretty vile.

Please let her go so she can find someone who can love her completely.

You've already answered your question.

RapunzelsRealMom · 31/07/2017 15:35

Leave her now while you are both still young enough to start again (I know you can start again at any age really, but with each passing decade, it gets immeasurably more difficult).

She will be broken hearted but will recover and find someone who will truly adore her for life.

Be fair and kind in all that you do and retain a semblance of friendship - it will do you well in the long-term, particularly where your child is concerned.

Adora10 · 31/07/2017 15:35

Funny how it takes an affair before person realises, sorry not buying that one, you know alright, finding another man is just the impotence to do something about it.

Rainybo · 31/07/2017 15:38

You don't love her. That's why your head was turned. You're being honest.

If you honestly can't imagine growing old together, or the thought fills you with dread, then separate.

Justbreathing · 31/07/2017 15:42

plenty of men would stay in a marriage like yours. it takes a lot of guts for someone to leave. Especially if it means not living with their children.

If you don't love her and you don't look forward to spending time with her it will only get worse.
you have my sympathy. I've spoken to a lot of friends who feel trapped and most don't ever leave (men and women) some have had affairs.

no one likes change, but being brave might be the best thing you ever did.

Good luck

ClearEyesFullHearts · 31/07/2017 15:44

You don't love her anymore? Why is that? Which one of you has changed?

My point is that romantic love ebbs and flows. It's not the sole condition of marriage, especially when you describe her in such positive terms.

Other than the lack of regular sexual intimacy you seem to have no complaints about her.

I'd suggest couples counselling with someone who can help you develop emotional intimacy with one another.

I'd also suggest you consider that love is a verb. It's an active thing we should do in our relationships, daily...love your spouse.

Hidingtonothing · 31/07/2017 15:45

Everyone has a right to be happy and if you're not then it's not fair to you or your wife to carry on as you are. You could try couples counselling if you want to be completely sure you've done everything possible before you give up but only you know whether that would be worthwhile.

All you can do if you are sure you want to separate is ensure you treat your wife with kindness and respect through the process and continue to be a good dad to your little boy.

dishwasher71 · 31/07/2017 15:46

Leave. People often stay in miserable marriages because they don't want to upset their partner, and when they've not met anyone new to force the issue, then it seems pointless and selfish to hurt their partner 'for nothing'. It's really, really hard to say that you don't want to live with someone anymore and would prefer to be alone. Almost more insulting than saying you've met someone new.

But you deserve to be happy too. You can't spend the rest of your life living with someone just to keep them happy. What about you? You count too.

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/07/2017 15:47

You've been unhappy long-term. You don't need any other reason to leave. And, FWIW, your head was turned but you did the right thing breaking it off.

Don't be a shit though; be fair, think about the family and not yourself when you look at money, time with your DS and so on.

ShatnersWig · 31/07/2017 15:48

Leave. You don't need our validation.

Nainer123 · 31/07/2017 15:49

You should leave. It's kinder in the long run. It'll be hard but it'll really affect you both horribly if you stay and both know that you're only staying for your child. That's horrible. She deserves someone that loves her and wants her for her and that someone isn't you and you deserve to be happy also. Oh and kids are very intuitive and will pick up on what's going on the longer it goes on.

Maninturmoil · 31/07/2017 15:52

Thanks so much for all your replies.

Cleareyesfullhearts - I've got a counselling session booked in this Wednesday to try and get to the root of my feelings. It is me who has changed I think. My wife is more or less the same person I married. I met my wife when I was 21 and at that point I definitely wasn't self-aware enough to know what I wanted from a r'ship.

I've read this "love is a verb" thing in a few places but I don't really understand how it works. Do you literally just fake it and then the feeling follows?

OP posts:
randomer · 31/07/2017 15:53

Wish people would stop going on about growing old together. It sounds ghastly. Concentrate on the here and now. Try counselling

Justbreathing · 31/07/2017 15:58

the love is a verb thing is I think, only applicable if deep down you had really loved the person and it's just lost.

but if you have changed fundamentally or as you say, weren't really self aware enough to know what you wanted in a life partner then it's very different altogether.
People grow and change and sometimes not in the same direction. Only you can really know if you even want to try to fix it.

jeaux90 · 31/07/2017 16:03

Sounds like you have been honest about how you feel. I would find it horrendous to be with someone I don't love or have no intimacy with. Focus on separating with kindness and a good co-parenting plan.

I know people who are staying in marriages for the kids and they are fucking miserable.

Do go for some therapy or counselling yourself, it can't hurt and might help you work out what go you here or might help you as a couple on working through the separation (counselling isn't just about getting back together)

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 31/07/2017 16:05

Adora if your post refers to me, I did not have an affair and I did not cheat on my DH. It was a catalyst for me, it just gave me the push I needed and had needed for a long time. Things are not always black and white.

MistressDeeCee · 31/07/2017 16:11

I wouldn't stay in a sexless marriage if my partner didnt want to explore getting intimacy back with me, including GP/counselling if need be. Id feel too rejected to stay. The expectation that because Im married I have to do without sex ad infinitum as my partner doesnt want it, wouldn't even enter my psyche. No martyr over here. You no longer love your wife anyway so, do what you must. Leave.

ClearEyesFullHearts · 31/07/2017 16:35

I've read this "love is a verb" thing in a few places but I don't really understand how it works. Do you literally just fake it and then the feeling follows?

I came across it in The Five Love Languages. It talks about how people have different ways of showing love but how that isn't always the way a partner feels love or receives it. So it's not faking it, exactly, but it is finding out how you and your wife each feel loved and the other giving and doing those things for the other as an act of love, being loving.

I'm of the opinion that love is a feeling but is also a choice and when people marry they should do absolutely everything they can not only to stay together but to work on and improve the quality of their relationship.

There will always be someone new and exciting. There will always be moments of boredom with someone you love with. There will always be family pressures, work pressures, conflicts and difficulties rearing children, and incompatibilities.

Lovethe feelingebbs and flows. As does life. There are so many external factors that can make us unhappy or dissatisfied. It's worth exploring every option before throwing in the towel on a 10 year relationship, especially when there is a child involved, especially as the news of your unhappiness is so fresh for your wife.

If nothing else, counselling should provide both of you with an understanding of why the marriage is having breakdown, which could make things easier should you choose to end the relationship.

BillBrysonsBeard · 31/07/2017 16:46

No abuse here, you are being very honest..You get one life on this planet OP, be happy while you're here. Provide for your child. Your wife will meet someone else eventually too. You both deserve to be loved.

BossyBitch · 31/07/2017 16:57

Leave!

I could have written your OP three years ago - minus the emotional affair, in my case I simply used my job as an emotional crutch.

Yes, it's sad but relationships do end and there is absolutely nothing to be gained from being in a loveless marriage IMO.

I think you've handled the whole thing quite splendidly, really. No physical cheating, ending the emotional affair rather than jumping from one woman to the next, you name it. A breakup is always going to be painful (for both the abandoned and the one doing the leaving) but the pain is fleeting and it also opens up new possibilities for two people not meant to be to actually find happiness.

Both exH and I are much happier now than we were when we were still together. He's about to have a baby with his new wife and I'm still head over heels with my job and open to meeting someone who I can actually imagine growing old with.

It'll be fine!

Offred · 31/07/2017 17:16

It's a hard question.

No-one can answer it for you.

The marriage part is separate to the relationship part I think.

Marriage is about sharing money with each other for the benefit of both spouses and any children.

If the relationship is over it is wise to remember that part IMO - that what you committed to do was help each other along in life and provide for each other and the children. Even if you divorce each of you will be expected to make good on that promise with respect to the children at least.

If you think of relationships in terms of soulmates and marriage in terms of love I think you put yourself at a disadvantage. It's the relationship part of a marriage that is about the love and there is no such thing as soulmates.

I think the best thing to do is separate just now. You've told her you don't love her and you aren't happy, not something you can take back - the decent thing is to now end the relationship and plan what to do going forward re the marriage.

The love is a verb thing is more to do with getting people who feel loving feelings for each other to realise that in order for the relationship to succeed the other person has to feel loved, it is not good enough to just privately and selfishly feel love for the other person. I don't think it applies here TBH.

I'm separated but not divorced because though I wanted to end our relationship all the reasons for us to be married still exist. I'll not marry again as I don't plan on having more children, if h wants to marry again i'll of course agree to a divorce providing the dc are protected in inheritance terms. If I go back on my commitment to never marry again I would of course expect to protect the dc too.

Badhairday1001 · 31/07/2017 17:17

I could have written your post last year except I hadn't met anybody else.
Deep down I had known for years that I wasn't happy but I couldn't break our family up. It felt selfish that everyone else was fine and I was just going to ruin everything. I eventually ended our relationship after 18 years together at the beginning of this year. It was hard but absolutely the right thing to do. We are managing to be friendly towards each other and parent our children between us. I am much happier and don't regret the decision for a second, I don't know if my ex is happier or not but he is ok and although he would never have chosen to separate he has admitted that he was very unhappy but would have just carried on for the kids.
I think that you either need to go to counselling if you are at all unsure or just end it if you know that you don't want to be together.

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