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Should I leave my wife?

171 replies

Maninturmoil · 31/07/2017 15:20

OK so I know I'm going to get abuse here... but I am in turmoil and searching for the right thing to do. Both for me, my wife, and my child. I'm in my early 30s and have been married for 5 years (in relationship for 10). We have a 4 yo boy, who I love with all my heart.

For a while now (maybe 2 years) I've felt unhappy and trapped in my marriage. For even longer than that there have been worrying warning signs that I perhaps hadn't married my life-long love, but I pushed these to the back of my mind as I thought happiness would follow once we'd built a home together and accumulated wealth, kids, etc. (I know I was stupid to ignore these impulses and only have self to blame)

We've done all that now (house, kid, etc) and I still feel the same - actually worse. We have an almost sexless marriage (max 10 times a year - and we're both young), which has actually been the case since before we had our child. We have very little in common other than raising our boy, and I feel bored in her company. I find that I've completely disengaged from the relationship and that we are friends/roommates rather than lovers. I have explained my concerns at the lack of intimacy on numerous occasions throughout the years... usually met with a response that my expectations are unrealistic. Things might improve for a few weeks after each conversation but then quickly revert back.

I've had nagging doubts for a long time (probably forever really) whether me and my wife are truly compatible, but on paper she's great (beautiful, kind, ambitious, honest, great mum) and we make a fantastic team in building a home/family. The problem is that I don't think I love her. I care about her, but I feel nothing when she says "I love you", and I don't look forward to spending time with her. We get on OK as friends, but there is no spark there.

Here is where the abuse comes... I met someone else a couple of months ago, and she made me feel alive again. I felt emotions I forgot existed. I didn't sleep with her but carried on a bit of an emotional affair for a couple weeks. I know that lust is fleeting and these initial feelings ALWAYS die away eventually. I'm not kidding myself that this new woman is my soulmate or that we'd have a future together. I took the decision to cut off all contact with this person because I knew having a third party involved would complicate things in my mind, and also cause huge pain if I had a full-blown affair.

What this experience did tell me though is that there is life outside my marriage and I feel like I'm settling for a so-so, passionless marriage with someone I don't love. I don't want to live a lie for the rest of my life.

About a week ago I told my wife how I felt. That I didn't lover her any more, and that I was considering whether we should separate. I also told her about me meeting this other woman and how she made me feel. I thought my wife deserved to know, even though she's not in the picture anymore. She is of course devastated by all this and, apart from the intimacy issues we'd been having, is a bit shocked. She says she still loves me.

I know that the right thing to do is to work on my marriage. I just don't have the heart or energy to put into it. If I don't love my wife anymore is it fairer on everyone that I leave and let us both meet people who make us happy? My fear is that we stay together for our child and financial stability, and then end up splitting up when they hit 18... only for us to have our youth pass us by without the chance to find happiness with someone else. It goes without saying that I would of course continue to be a good and supportive father whatever happens.

Thoughts? Advice? I know that people will jump on the other woman stuff... but please believe me when I say I don't have any intention of pursuing anything with her. If I left, I'd want to be by myself for a bit first before getting into anything else.

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Maninturmoil · 31/07/2017 17:17

Thanks everyone. I didn't expect the feedback to be so supportive of me leaving. It's reassuring that people won't necessarily see me as a pariah for leaving my family (although I expect some people still will).

I fluctuate between being excited about a new future, and absolutely terrified of the unknown. I've read so many horror stories online of men who deeply regret leaving their wives, particularly those who had their heads turned. Grass might not be greener (maybe I'll never find someone who I truly love), but I think I'll regret never knowing if I don't try. Anyone else out there who has been in a similar situation and left a really nice person and good spouse simply because the love wasn't there? How did it turn out?

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jeaux90 · 31/07/2017 17:23

Simply because the love isn't there?? Wow.

You have really low expectations.

This is your life! Do you want to just exist ?

BossyBitch · 31/07/2017 17:29

Anyone else out there who has been in a similar situation and left a really nice person and good spouse simply because the love wasn't there? How did it turn out?

Yes, I did. He was not the perfect spouse but he's a lovely man, was never abusive or anything and we're still very good friends.

Have I had moments where I've regretted leaving him? Yes, absolutely. I have my wobbly moments when I'm scared shitless that I'll be forever alone and I struggled for a few days upon learning that his new wife is pregnant. But when I really think about it, even in those moments, what makes me feel regretful at times is all related to things I wish I had now but wouldn't really want with him, IISWIM.

I'll also have to say that I'm generally speaking much, much happier now than when I was married to him and although what I actually worry about has shifted somewhat I actually have a lot fewer miserable moments.

Feeling lonely in my marriage was the loneliest I have ever felt in my life. The bottom line is: it's by no means perfect, but it's turned out very, very fine indeed for me.

Offred · 31/07/2017 17:33

It can't be about meeting someone else.

That would be my advice.

If you are leaving it must simply be because the relationship with her is over - you don't love her anymore and you don't want to work on trying to love her again.

You must imagine it from a perspective of potentially never meeting anyone else, just not wanting to be in this relationship anymore. But you shouldn't stay with her just because you think you will never meet anyone else either.

The questions are 'do I want to continue in this relationship?' If no, 'am I afraid of being alone forever?' If yes, 'would that be the main reason for staying in this relationship?' If yes then leave and work on your fear of being alone.

mogulfield · 31/07/2017 17:35

Leave, you're already convinced you dont need our advice.
What I would say is that all relationships become routine, as others have said love is a verb, you do need to work at keepingit alive otherwise thank his will keep happening in future relationships.
(I obviously don't know how she's treating you, but the fact she was surprised is interesting).

mogulfield · 31/07/2017 17:37

This could*

RidingWindhorses · 31/07/2017 17:39

You can't make yourself love her, she can't make you love her.

Going forward I think you need to think about why you married someone you didn't love. Have you ever been in love? If so, what was different about that? Perhaps you've never felt a deep connection with past gfs so you didn't realise something was missing

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Ginlovinglady · 31/07/2017 17:49

Anyfucker

You can be a real piece of work sometimes, glad the op got lots of positive responses to a huge question which lots of us have had to go through and struggled with, before he got to your comment

Maninturmoil · 31/07/2017 17:53

Yeh I really do struggle with the question of whether I ever loved her. I think probably I did (nothing to compare it to really), but it certainly wasn't love at first site or anything. She told me she loved me quite early on and it took me a while to feel like I could say it back. We had the strong physical chemistry phase that all relationships have at the start, my family liked her, and I saw lots of great qualities in her that I admired.

I was always physically attracted to her and still am. She still also has all the qualities I admire. It's just more of the emotional attraction and bond that is missing now, and that realisation that when we're both old and don't have that physical attraction anymore, there isn't really much pulling us together.

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yetmorecrap · 31/07/2017 18:04

Leave OP. My DH I think felt like this 12 years ago, and then went off on one with some young thing behind my back (emotional stuff) -- I just think he felt the sparkle with me had gone and he wanted an ego boost , to be honest it probably had somewhat as we had a fair amount of life issues at the time and this other person was jolly, pretty and had no baggage. I found out about it by chance 8 months ago and it was really devastating stuff as you cant help but wonder did the other person stay because they felt they should etc. I am still very unsure of whats for the best but I do know if I had found out at the time I would have wanted him out and it would have been a lot easier . I wouldn't have hated him, and would have been totally fair about our son who was 7 at the time. Love does ebb and flow but the fact she 'bores you' is something that is very difficult to get back. do be careful what you wish for though, as you may find many of us 'bore ' you when real life and daily grind sets in, I'm sure plenty of women on here being honest could say the same. As you say, I wouldn't rush into anything.

donajimena · 31/07/2017 18:06

I left a lovely man. Really really lovely. I could have had a lovely future materially but it would have been a gilded cage.
I had been unhappy for a while but the catalyst was... yep.. getting my head turned. Big time. I knew then that I had to end it and he was devastated.
I moved into a house share. I didn't get with the other guy and I was single for years. He moved on and settled happily. This is the interesting bit. When he got with this new partner this is where I wondered whether I had made a mistake. That took some getting over, but I hadn't made a mistake the hankering was merely the dissatisfaction with my own life. Be prepared for it not being as liberating as you may think.
I still think you should leave. You don't love her. Just be prepared for the roller coaster that comes with it.
I'm really happy now but it took a long road. Other people move on perfectly happily a lot sooner than I did. Some people are perfectly happy on their own.
Remember its always better to be alone than badly accompanied.
On the flip side of all this was that a few years ago my partner left me. I was absolutely distraught. I met someone who I am far happier with now and I look back at my exes actions as the best thing he could have done because effectively he set me free. Your wife deserves that chance to find someone who truly loves her.

Bumpsadaisie · 31/07/2017 18:11

No one has a perfect marriage. We all struggle with tiredness and getting any time to nourish the relationship once kids come along. We all get older and often less attractive.

In the modern marriage the other person is supposed to be best friend, lover, life partner, fellow parent, fellow housekeeper, fellow provider, fellow financial/ business planner. It's a tall order and it's never going to be a bed of roses.

However having said all that, I think the test is "when I at last do get to spend some time with my other half e.g. Saturday morning when the kids are at a party, holidays away from the daily routine, the odd evening out, is it NICE and do you come away wishing you did it more often?

It stood out for me that you're bored in your wife's company. Suggests to me that it's something more than the usual stresses on a relationship.

supersop60 · 31/07/2017 18:32

Leave.
Feelings change (and die) - I get that.
What you did was horrible. It would have been better to have had an honest conversation with your wife and left sooner. Then both of you would have been free to meet someone else.
No doubt your wife will be on here looking for solace.

Offred · 31/07/2017 18:44

You both have to put effort in for the emotional bond to work. You can't just cruise through things expecting it to just happen.

The time to leave is when you don't want to put effort in anymore.

If that's the case here, then go. If this relationship has failed because you just passively went along with her expectations hoping that it would 'just happen' for you then learn from that mistake before you enter another relationship.

It's pretty mean to just coast into a marriage and children when it has never been what you actively want TBH.

MamaHanji · 31/07/2017 19:26

No abuse from me. I will say though, all this talk or soul mates and life long love...relationships are hard. There isn't one person for everyone. There are people that are brilliant for you, but it all takes work and time and effort.

That said, I think you should leave. You've given it a go and it isn't working. There is no shame in that!

mogulfield · 31/07/2017 22:41

Did she ever make you laugh? I think (pray) that's the thing that keeps my marriage going and will continue to in the future. We still make each other laugh. So when we get old and wrinkly that will always endure.

Grooves · 31/07/2017 22:54

As a lady, I would hate to be with a man that didn't love me, that was bored in my company. I'd want him to leave. It'd hurt but I think deep down, she's know it's over.

My ex partner and I got like that. When intamacy goes, what else is there? We slept together twice in 9 months and were always arguing. The initial talk was hard as even though I knew it was over, I was scared to leave and be a single mom.

I wasn't happy with him but I liked the comfort of having someone there and the stability.

You can't stay with someone you aren't happy with. Don't do that to yourself. You deserve happiness and so does she.

WhoreOfBabyliss · 01/08/2017 06:46

You are showing insight into your own situation. From experience I don't think you will ever feel any different about your wife and you owe it to her and yourself to have the conversation and put everything in place to co-parent separately and so you can both move on. Keep it amicable. Once boredom sets in or is finally acknowledged, it's over bar the paperwork.

Maninturmoil · 01/08/2017 08:36

Thanks so much for all your replies. Going to speak to the counsellor on Wednesday, take some time away (seeing family) this weekend and hopefully get clear in my mind before doing anything definitive. I don't want to drag things on indefinitely though as that'll help nobody.

To those people who left.... did you get pangs of doubt and regret as you were doing it/shortly after? I spend all day thinking I've made my decision to leave and that it's the right call, but then I'll suddenly wake in the middle of the night in a bit of a panic that I'm doing something crazy. I'm guessing it's the gravity of the situation and the significance of the decision? Or were you leavers completely 100% convinced and didn't look back?

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Velvian · 01/08/2017 08:43

I think you are being very childish. It sounds like you could make a lot more effort than you are (you said you checked out). It seems a very teenage idea of 'love' to me. I think you can make yourself love your wife if you put the effort and she responds to that.
You are married, not dating. Love to me is actions first, feelings later (after the initial lust has faded).

Maninturmoil · 01/08/2017 08:55

Velvian - I'm not saying I disagree necessarily. Value your opinion... just wondering if you have any personal experience of this? I've read lots of articles/blog posts where people have said similar, but not many that back it up with a personal success story and/or tips of how to go about doing it. How do you act like you love someone if you don't?

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Penfold007 · 01/08/2017 09:02

If you end the relationship hopefully it will the one with your wife and not your child. You need to find a way to co-parent effectively.

AtSea1979 · 01/08/2017 09:18

No one can answer for you. Many have left and met someone new, had those great new feelings and made it work. Many have regretted it and live in a flat, spend all their time working because they've nothing better to do and see their kids every other weekend.
For me, that first flush of romance isn't that important. Tucking my kids up every night is. Having someone who's got my back.
Then again sex isn't that important to me either. Sure it's fun, like a night out with my friends is fun, holidays are fun. But it's not something that I demand several times a week or I can't be happy with my week with my family.
All I can suggest is don't do anything rash. Stop getting your head turned and really work at your marriage and if you still feel the same after a set time and you really think leaving outweighs the benefits of staying then go for it.

Ginlovinglady · 01/08/2017 09:21

I think people's idea of love differ greatly and you tend to want/need to be with someone who is on the same page as you

I have a dear friend who stayed with his wife even though he no longer loves her, not sure that he ever did. are they happy. I don't think so. But they manage day to day.
That might be enough for them. Personally I feel sorry for them both that they didn't have the courage to end it and their "staying together" for the kids

You have to decide if it's enough for you:
It's incredibly brave to leave someone when things aren't horrendous
But you have to think, do you think you'll regret staying when you're on your deathbed. I know that sounds dramatic. But we only have one life.
Everyone I know that's separated including me, might have nagging doubts every now and again. but I don't know anyone who has gone back to their OH

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