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Just devastated by DHs betrayal. Need a hand hold

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 26/07/2017 20:29

Ten whole days have passed since my whole world disintegrated and I think it would be therapeutic to get it all out. I really need support though so please don't kick me when I am down. I know I have been naive and feel stupid enough already.

Ten days ago we went to the zoo. We had a lovely day with our kids. Took them to pizza express afterwards and was generally a really lovely family day. In the evening we watched a film but he didn't sit next to me as he said he was buying motorbike stuff online. All was fine until he had a few too many drinks and was snarly about our friends we were going on holiday with. Before bed I posted on mumsnet about that particular issue and was mildly amused to see all the responses saying he was clearly having an affair with her. When I got up that morning he was distracted with the kids and I picked up his phone to see what had been going on with holiday friend. Not seeing any justification for his venom towards friend I was about to give it back when it occurred to me that there was no thread with a girl he usually messaged.
Not really knowing how to work an iPhone I happened to swipe up and ended up in archived chats where Her name was front and centre with messages the day before. When I opened it and saw that he had been sending her photos of my children the day before while at the zoo as a family and in the evening watching a film with meSad

Once he realised I was onto something he chased me around the garden, tried to physically tackle me to get his phone back and only when our three year old came into the room did I escape with his phone and drove to a friends house wearing nothing but a nightie to get a chance to properly look at what I had glimpsed.

And what I confirmed was everyone's worse fears. I later realised the messages only went back three weeks but in that time he had messaged her 5000 times. He had sent her

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HereIgoagainxx · 16/09/2018 06:36

What a staggering liar and piece of shit. I understand you feeling nostalgic, but leaving him was the right thing to do. No question. Good luck to you. X

babygoose48 · 16/09/2018 08:31

Wow. Its like reading something out of a bloody fiction novel, how absolutely arsehole can on person be?!

I'm so sorry to hear about this has happened to you. Of course you are still in shock, you have not had the time to process it OP. Its not like you have suspected for ages and have had time to reason this knowledge within yourself. How utterly selfish of him, not just towards you but to his children as well.

I have no words to say about her she can just go and wipe herself of the planet.

Grief in this situation is necessary to fully heal, so allow yourself to cry and scream and have a meltdown if you need to. Let it out. The anger will follow and it will be so much easier to deal with.

Have you got any support whilst you are going through this? A councellor? Make sure you have those serious support measures in place you must be torturing yourself with question after question.

One of the main things that has helped me with other peoples betrayals is understanding (really, heartfelt understand) that you cannot control other peoples actions, no matter how much you want a situation to be fixed or not have happened. This is on him, not you.

Keep posting on here and getting it all out OP. What do you need?

babygoose48 · 16/09/2018 08:37

Okay I have just read your full update. This guy is a loser and will never change. good riddance. Concentrate on what the future has in store for you and not what you 'lost' regarding family life. That wasn't family life if he was going behind you back and making an absolute food of you like that, it was the illusion of family life.

You and your DC's are your family.

Belleende · 16/09/2018 09:31

Fuck, I was reading this thread and didn't clock that it was a year old. I was going to tell you about my ex-BIL. Also has a job that readily facilitates cheating, also used his role as sole earner to keep my hugely talented sister in her place, also lied repeatedly, and then abandoned her with two kids who were about to be made homeless due to rental lease ending.

What I wanted to say to you was that when a man shows he is capable of what your husband did, you have to accept that the person you thought you married does not exist. He hasn't changed, you haven't grown apart, he was and always will be a manipulative shit bag, from the day you got together til the day he dies. There is no way back for your relationship, as it was based on lies to begin with.

I saw my sister have to work this out, and it was hugely painful for her. As well as trying to get back into the workplace and deal with two kids with a largely absent father. She is still trying to work through how a talented, intelligent, vibrant woman for herself into that position to begin with.

I am so sorry you were taken back in by him again. I will confess I am also a tiny bit frustrated with you. You did the hard stuff. You separated, got back into work, got back on your feet and still got reeled back in. I think maybe some therapy would be good to help you understand why this happened. From the outside it almost looks like self sabotage.

I really hope you get back on your feet and go on to have a smashing life, you deserve it.

stevesmithsmum · 16/09/2018 10:34

Hey OP. I clocked onto your timeline halfway through the thread, noting the original issues occurred last year. You’ve done what most OP's don’t, given an update. For that, I thank you.

With respect to your "situation". Only you can know what you are prepared to accept but fundamentally comes down to hanging in there and seeing if you can reconcile or cutting your losses and getting on with your life.

However, my take on your ex is that his behaviour is unlikely to change. He hasn’t demonstrated true remorse or contrition. Oh, he’s gone through the motions well enough. He makes the right noises. You know this. Can you put up with never ever truly trusting him?

There’s a life out there for you. It’s calling you. Embrace it.

Once again thanks for the update.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 16/09/2018 13:39

Thank you all.
I am so sorry you were taken back in by him again. I will confess I am also a tiny bit frustrated with you. You did the hard stuff. You separated, got back into work, got back on your feet and still got reeled back in. I think maybe some therapy would be good to help you understand why this happened. From the outside it almost looks like self sabotage. I knew it would be frustrating for many, which is probably why I didn’t post it when I wrote it back in July. I’m going to try and explain why. I have a feeling it is going to be very long!

Someone a year ago when I originally created this thread said: I could never take him back after this, but I'm not you. If you decide to take him back then that is your decision not Mumsnet's and you will need couples counselling. In your circumstances the betrayal is so great you will need to be very certain he is serious about a long term faithful future with you. He will also need individual counselling before you both go to Relate.

So on the face of it he had done everything to make me believe that this had been achieved. I had had individual counselling, he had had individual counselling and had come to conclusions about why he had done it (ego, sense of entitlement stemming from his work position) I had gone back to work and was happy with that, when I had not been happy as a sahm and I felt like that part that had made me dissatisfied with the marriage had been removed so we could actually be happier if we tried again and neither of us was resentful about the work life balance split. From the moment I found out he changed his priorities work wise and started doing school drop offs so that I was physically able to do my job, where he had previously not even been able to consider such a thing. He didn’t travel for work half as much and his career was no longer his first priority . He was a much better hands on father than he ever had been. He had circled the drain with clearly apparent remorse (selfpity) for 8 months. During which time he never stopped apologising and begging for another chance, constantly inviting me to lunch etc. During that time I was pretty cold and short with him, and as I said in my update I did start dating- which I know really upset him. It also really upset my friend from the original incident who was trying to be there for both of us, and she recast me as the villain and I realised that our friendship would never be the same unless I was with him, including the extended friendships with our respective kids etc. The same with our best man friend ( who would have been my maid of honour had he been female, we were that close) as when he came back from travelling in Feb and we spent an evening as a threesome I had a really good time and realised that that relationship would also never be the same without that dynamic. My relationship with the in-laws became strained as it became apparent I wasn’t about to welcome him back, which made Christmas and birthdays awkward. I essentially realised the interdependencies of everything I would be throwing away as well as my marriage if I didn’t give it another go. And even then I didn’t jump in, I was being extremely cautious, we were dating and spending time together and enjoying each others company but I didn’t sleep with him. I started marriage counselling to see if there was any way I could trust him enough to let him move back in. Someone in my early threads (can’t find it now) said that every bone in my body would be screaming at me to take him back and that was true. I desperately wanted my old life back. I had proven that I could survive with out him, but I wanted the man that had been my everything for 16 years.
During this time I have also been having a really terrible time in other ways. A year ago I joked about a broken mirror with my terrible luck with puncture/sickness/water going off etc. That has continued. Even ignoring the adultery, I have had horrendous luck. One of my friends called it my annus horribilis , but t now seems to be biennial. At the beginning of last year I had got whiplash from a car accident, and I am still in constant pain and have seen half a dozen physios and chiropractors and had x-rays and MRIs and acupuncture, and nothing has worked, I have been regularly disappointed with the news that they can’t help. On D-day last year he broke my foot, and that didn’t heal properly, I had to have surgery to fix it and it still isn’t 100%. My parents swore they would move hell or high water to move closer after dday having been supposedly looking or 6 years and they actually had a house, then they pulled out before exchange for really ridiculous reasons and didn’t tell me so I could talk them round and then my mum said it was because she had decided that I was going to get back together with DH eventually and they would no longer be needed so had decided not to! I was absolutely devastated and let down and that caused a rift in my relationship with them and meant I had to rely heavily on H and MIL for childcare and didn’t have the support I had been told they would move heaven and earth to provide Sad . On separate occasions I also broke my coccyx, dislocated my shoulder and got knocked off a Boris bike. A simple filling caused months of pain to the point I was begging for a root canal. I found in a lump in my breast (luckily it turns out to be benign). I had huge amount of stress at work and had to work round the clock from march to June to achieve something really big (luckily that was a success but I frequently thought I was going to fail at my primary objective and lose my job) And my mum nearly died in march and was in intensive care for weeks.
During all of this H has been very supportive and been there for me many times over And that is a big part of why I was giving it a chance.

Plus of course, he had broken up with OW immediately and gone no contact with her and as far as I knew was doing everything rightHmm

Wow that was long, sorry!!

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 16/09/2018 14:00

Oh and also, to be completely honest, because I thought I understood why he did it because I did something similar but nowhere near as bad years ago but could understand the pull. After we had been together for 4.5 years I fell for someone else. And I immediately broke it off with him and ran off to be with the guy that had turned my head. I didn’t cheat, I essentially did the right thing, but I broke his heart. And so I know and understand and remember the butterflies, the excitement the attraction and all of that. At that time, once the honeymoon period with the other guy started to end and the butterflies and excitement were fading I realised that the long term deeper love that I had for my future H was so much more than the lust/limerance/excitement of a new relationship. And I made a grown up decision to acknowledge that the butterflies would never last forever and I would therefore either be constantly chasing new thrilling new relationships every couple of years or I could accept that a committed deeply loving relationship was worth so much more than butterflies. So I got back together with H and we lived happily ever after until we didn't!

So I thought I understood. And he told me repeatedly over the months after dday that he was making a grown up decision and was committing to do anything he could to fix what he had broken, even when he knew I was moving on, even when he thought he had no chance. And so, having made that decision myself I thought he was on the same page. Because there have been times that I have had a moment of butterflies or a crush on someone else and I could have had an affair or run off, but I continued to make my grown up decision that what we had was so much bigger than a short term attraction/thrill. And I thought if I could do that then so could he.

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Rosemary46 · 16/09/2018 14:27

I admire your honestly in putting all this down on your thread. And I can see why you make the decisions you did, they all seemed perfectly logical at the time . You can only work with the information you have - hindsight is a wonderful thing .

I’m sorry that you’ve had such bad health and also that your parents let you down so badly.

PouchofDouglas · 16/09/2018 14:45

It’s an amazing story. The FaceTime. Jeez

Belleende · 16/09/2018 15:44

Sounds like you have had a heap tonne of shit to deal with and you are still working things through. I do not envy you, but I do admire your honesty.

One thing that strikes me is how you value friendships highly, but worry about how the breakup with your husband will affect them. Good friends stick around and figure this shit out, they don't turn on you when you start dating. I wonder what other manipulation your husband was conducting in the background? You may need to think about not just your expectations from your marriage, but also from your broader relationships.

Also, don't be too harsh on your parents. They will have supported you post the break up, consoled you as you called your husband every name under the sun. Your reconciliation cannot have been easy or possible for them to accept.

You clearly have an amazing amount of inner strength to deal with what you have, and it must suck soooo much to feel like you might still have more mountains to climb. But climb them you will.

I would still reccommend not just counseling, but therapy with a trained therapist. You need to understand the dynamic of your relationships more clearly, with your parents, your friends and your partners. You can learn and grow from this, but it won't be easy. Again, I wish you all the best. You sound like one of the good ones who have been dealt a steaming pile of shit to deal with.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 16/09/2018 15:48

What was OW's reaction when she found herself FaceTiming you? Shock

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 16/09/2018 21:02

What was OW's reaction when she found herself FaceTiming you?

I didn't actually answer the call- it popped up with her name and the icon of her face and I stared at it in horror, then my H stared at it in horror and I cancelled the call. In hindsight I wish I had answered - would have saved all the arse covering and lies told since!

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 16/09/2018 21:25

Also, don't be too harsh on your parents. They will have supported you post the break up, consoled you as you called your husband every name under the sun. Your reconciliation cannot have been easy or possible for them to accept.

Sorry obviously wasn't clear on this either. They supported me for a total of four days post dday when I went to stay with them as they live hundreds of miles away. At that time they swore they would
move heaven and earth to finally actually
do what they had been promising for six years and move closer. My mother even signed up to do childcare for the kids so I could go back to work. Then the pulling out of their house sale/purchase happened around six weeks after dday last year, when I was adamant that there was no chance of reconciliation but they decided they knew best and weren't going to uproot themselves (despite having been leading me on a merry dance of house hunting for six years) in case they weren't really needed. They pulled out of both sale and purchase, took their house off the market and didn't tell me until it was too late to undo. I was heartbroken and felt doubly betrayed.

They do not know anything of the attempted reconciliation that started 6-7 months later as I have been treading carefully and not counting my chickens. And because I didn't want them to think they had got it right in the first place or that they had done the right thing. And in fact their having let me down and not being here to support me probably contributed to me deciding to try and reconcile at all. They do not know anything at all about his behaviour this year because I haven't told them. We are getting on better now since my mum's illness, but I am essentially protecting him because otherwise it is going to ruin the next twenty years of Christmases and birthdays and graduations that he and they will need to be civil at. I would love to cry on my mum's shoulder but need to think about the bigger picture. Sad and although we are closer since her illness, her letting me down in my time of need has made me not trust them much either.

In fact i have trouble trusting anyone now. Sad

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wheresthehope · 17/09/2018 01:48

Your husband is a total waste of good air...I am sorry you and your kids have had to go through this...

stevesmithsmum · 17/09/2018 03:50

Where to now OP?

What’s the current situation? What’s your intentions?

notsodimwit · 17/09/2018 05:15

Flowers for you OP xx

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 17/09/2018 20:18

As I said, my previous update was written in July. Since then a lot has happened. It will be long again and I’m sure you will think I am making it up but I swear every word is the truth. I am living in a bizarre soap opera where I can’t believe the preposterous script and just want to scream for it to stop.

After he went and broke up with her again on the 16th July, I would probably have not spoken to him again, but for the second year running I had caught him just before we were due to go on holiday together! The kids were really looking forward to it, it was long haul and somewhere I would never be able to go to again, and the way I had booked the tickets using a combination of air miles and 241 vouchers in his name meant he couldn’t be taken off the booking. So I agreed to still go for the sake of the kids, on the basis that I had booked a big apartment so that we could have our own space, and if I couldnt bear to look at him then we could take it in turns to have the kids and I could spend some time alone on a beautiful beach with a book and a Pina colada. Much needed after the terrible year I've had.

Actually the holiday went really well. We didn’t talk about anything upsetting, deliberately because I didn’t want to ruin the holiday, and we actually sat and played cards and listened to music in the evening. It was just like old times, and as long as I put his recent betrayal out of my mind I was able to relax and enjoy myself. There was one evening where he drank too much and turned nasty but other than that it went as well as we ever could have hoped.

Now I realise that you will all be screaming at me, but after we got back after that lovely nostalgic fortnight I stupidly decide there is still a remote chance that I will be able to get over it and tell him that the chances have got lower and he is obviously going to have to work extremely hard for a long time to prove himself since he has massively betrayed me twice. But I say I do want to continue the counselling and that I don’t want to go back to last year when there was a bad atmosphere- I want to maintain the point we have reached where we are getting on well, so that even if we don’t end up together romantically that we can still be friends and properly amicable co-parents. I had also been getting really stressed about the house to the point of thinking of selling as we have a massive overgrown garden and hundred year old house with loads needing doing to it, so I tell him that the kids can sleep at alternate houses as usual but that he can spend the weekends helping me to do DIY/clear garage /garden etc. After all it is his house too officially and he will benefit from doing it up if we do end up divorced, and I have been feeling resentful of him walking away from the commitments he made in terms of buying a big old house, only to swan off to a bachelor pad with no responsibilities! In terms of the second betrayal, I have never got him to admit to anything more than an ill advised friendship with OW and a couple of stupid sex mistakes, which were over back in april/ may. And I have really pushed, and it took a lot of pushing and dripfeedig to get to that point so I assume I have reached he whole truth. He has voluntarily given me a cloned iPad with literally all of his apps and emails and messages on because he wants to be honest. And basically says that he will be completely open and realises it is going to take another year of actually good behaviour before I can even think of letting him move back in, but that he is willing to take those chances however slim. I tell him to explain to his best friends at work who she is and what has happened so they can protect him as they keep inviting OW to things he is going to and he says he has.

But I can’t shake the feeling that he is still seeing her- my Spidey senses keep tingling and I keep checking up on him although I feel it is driving me mad. I find very little- a two minute phone call one night, that he swears was work related and that he didn’t see her. The iPad stops working because his password has been changed so he takes it back to fix it and then forgets to give it back. Last weekend we were due to go to a family fun day for his work and he starts saying it is too far, or the weather is too bad or the games are for older kids. [Hmm] Each time I say we are all still going. He eventually decides not to go himself after i keep insisting. Then one Thursday I have an unshakeable Spidey sense that he is up to no good to the point where I am about to be sick or pass out and I ask him to come over in the evening, where I tell him how certain I am that he is still seeing her that it is making me physically ill, and that the rubbish about the fun day has made me think that either she is going to be there or he doesn’t want it to get back to her that I was there. I cry and say how badly this is affecting me and how certain I am and ask him to just please come clean for my sanity. He swears on everyone’s lives that he hasn’t seen her outside of work and comforts me and gives me a load of vows about how he will never do anything again. I ask why he has not given the cloned iPad back then and he says he will sort it out and bring it over at the weekend.

On Saturday he does bring me the iPad back so I assume all must be well- why would you give someone all area access if you were hiding something? He keeps going on about having an option to go out with two mates that evening even though I have previously told him it’s fine as it’s my turn to have the kids. I go out for a run during which he messages and e goes on and on about this “option” and keeps asking me if I’m sure. I assume he is angling for an invitation and tell him that he can come over mad watch a film/wine/takeaway if he hasn’t committed to go. This is a massive step for me after all that has happened and the first time in months I have invited him. After which he says actually he will go out after all. I tell him I’m pissed off because I thought he was angling for an invitation and thought he would be jumping for joy at getting one, but he says he hasn’t seen them in ages so I say fine but it was a one time offer. After I get back he leaves to get a haircut and I sort the kids out. Once they are in bed I look at find my iPhone to see if he did go. I see him round the North circular, then at IKEA and then his phone goes offline. But I’m not all that worried because there would be no signal in ikea. By midnight when I go to bed it is still offline but has jumped to Finchley. I assume that is one of his mates addresses as I have seen it on Uber receipts and go to bed. Get up early with the kids and it is still there. Take them to church after which it is still there. He rings at 12 and says he will be over in an hour to do DIY, but he didn’t go out after all last night. He went to IKEA instead! [Hmm] I say I know, I saw. He says after that he drove back an hour to where we live and went to sleep in his flat and then... Wait for it.... He drove all the way back to IKEA to exchange something! I say why are you lying? I know where youve been, you gave me find my iPhone and your phone has been in Finchley since midnight and not moved. He says I’m not lying! Why would I lie, I know I gave you Find my iPhone. I say why didn’t you return it to the local IKEA then? Or go to that one in the first place ? And he says he hasn’t thought of that. Naively I assume this is all because he went out with mates and knows I was pissed off with that decision. I just say I know you are lying, there are holes bigger than Swiss cheese in this story and you know I will smell the booze to prove it. He says he isn’t, sticks to his cock and bull story and will be over in an hour. Find my iPhone is currently on the a406 but hasn’t yet reached the Y to get to ours and is still on the Finchley branch and not the IKEA one so I screenshot. I then start digging. The only thing I find is a picture that looks like her in his deleted items. His friend that he supposedly asked to help protect him from OW is in the picture with his arm round this woman who is smiling lovingly at the camera. It is dated ten minutes after the short phone call I found the week before. Evidently she rang to ask where they were in the pub and then went to join him. So then I know that he lied to me about seeing her socially, about the specific evening as I had asked specifically, about the phone call. And about confiding in his friend to avoid this.

I write on a piece of paper three subjects

  1. Times I have lied to my wife in the last fortnight.
  2. Times I have seen OW in the last fortnight
  3. Times I have slept with OW in the last fortnight. The last one is a long shot as I don’t know if he has but I am calling his bluff. When he gets there I set the children up with something and sit him in front of this piece of paper, telling him that I have found absolute evidence of a number of things and that he needs to write down everything and damn well hope he covers everything i have found otherwise I will have no relationship with him, not even an amicable co-parenting one. He sits there and puts his head on the worktop and mumbles. I say what? And he slumps and says “where do I start?!” ShockConfusedHmm

I am outraged although relieved he isn't gaslighting me and say in that case you should probably skip straight to the last question. How many times have you slept with her in the past fortnight? And he says 4 or 5? So I say “and before that?” to which he says "maybe two dozen... Three dozen?" [Shock] So I say the three Drunken mistakes in march/April is a complete work of fiction and he says yes.
I call my MIL and ask her to take the kids and when she comes I put them in her car while he tells her what he has done. Again.

After that I did a lot of ranting. I also held onto his phone and sent a short text to OW saying I’m really sorry I can’t see you anymore, my wife has found out about us again. Once she started ringing and texting he became like a caged animal manhandling me around the room in his desperation to get to the phone and make it all better with her (presumably he saw he had well and truly blown it with me). He insulted me with the same bollocks about how he had never been happy that he had admitted was all affair fog previously. But since he was still having the affair again he had started believing his own lies again. He then seemed to gather his resolve and wailed “But I love her” which I assume is because last year she was upset that he “caved” so easily once caught, and also because this time he apparently promised her he would fight for them! The fighting lasted about five seconds though because I said, “thats fine. You can run off to her then, but you are going to give me the courtesy of an hour or two first. This is the last time you are ever going to see me in person as if you really do that I will be arranging handovers through your parents or the contact centre down the road, so we had better quickly hash out an agreement on children and money because after today I will all be done through lawyers and that will get expensive very quickly”. He then sat there and wailed “ but I love you and I can’t bear the thought of not seeing you ever again”! Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too! I said the only way I would ever speak to him again, even as friends/co-parents was if he rang her and said it was true and he really couldn’t see her anymore. And that I was not letting him sod off into the garden for a tearful prolonged goodbye this time, he could ring right there with me if that was what he chose. He is such a pathological liar that he then told me he was stood there thinking that he could do that and still run off to her and tell her it wasnt true and I had made him do it! Anyway he did choose to ring her, by which point she had got in a cab the 50 minute journey to where we live (because of course she has bene coming to his flat!) and was waiting at his flat and refused to leave unless he came along, with some choice threats about making trouble at work. So I told him to go but by this point it was nearly children’s bathtime and said he would still need to collect them
from MIL soon as I had a big work event in the morning and there was no way I could have them overnight when it was his turn. I sent him a reminder when that time came but didn’t get a reply, so I ran over to his flat (I needed to run regardless as it destresses me and I was ready to explode) only to find his car still there. He asked me to get them instead and I agreed but had to get his keys and take his car as I was out running and he had said he would do it! I fetched the kids and bathed them and got them ready for bed but when bedtime rolled around he still hadn’t been in touch. I told him I was going to bring them over if I didn’t hear from him to scare him into action. He threatened to call the police had she finally agreed to leave and he called her a cab but the kids and I had to wait in the car for ten minutes with them in their PJ’s post bedtime for it to arrive. She left and I put the kids to bed in his flat and demanded some answers. Angry

I was very proud of myself though- on the two occasions I went to his flat I didn’t go in and talk to her, although I have been fantasising about it for over a year. I didn’t even look at her, despite my curiosity, as she came out to get in the cab, just tried to stay calm and carry on reading with the DCs.

Since then it has been a tumultuous week. She wasn’t satisfied with the two hours + on Sunday and phoned and demanded that he come and meet her in person to answer her questions and prove that we really had been reconciling or she would make him lose his job- she had already spoken to the ethics people- and potentially sue him for sexual harassment. I had warned him he was playing with fire in this respect a year ago as he was her mentor Shock She had a whole laundry list of items she wanted including all my what’s app logs with him, which he had deleted as part of scorched earth, his fertility test results (he had a vasectomy) the divorce papers from January and even my work address! She didn’t believe him that he had given me a cloned iPad, because why on earth would he have done that!? Good question indeed. And she also didn’t believe he had uninstalled and reinstalled what’s app and lost everything ( she obviously doesn’t know him well-he is a pro at covering his tracks especially given the iPad he had placed into my hands. But she thought I should provide them to him to give to her instead Hmm .

She was satisfied with the evidence that he provided on Tuesday and is hopefully not going to make trouble. However, she has sent him (to show me) many sets of messages between them that ultimately made it clear that he has been living a complete double life for the last six months. Again.

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 17/09/2018 20:18

  1. She absolutely did not know we were trying to reconcile. She thought she was in a legitimate relationship with a man speeding through a divorce to be with her, Romeo and Juliet style
  2. She broke up with him and told him to leave her alone a number of times because she felt neglected and not a priority (unsurprisingly since he was spending all his time with me) but kept sucking her back in with the exact same begging and pleading and declarations of love and commitment he gave me.
  3. They had talked about having kids. He showed her some fertility test pots they had given him post vasectomy and said it was to see whether he could still have kids so they could start a family. He did not tell her he had had a vasectomy. We have two small children that were born 18 months apart but apparently she believed he was naturally infertile. [Hmm]
  4. He had keys to her flat and loads of his shit there for his frequent sleepovers
  5. He had told her that he wanted to start a future together and was going to tell people, including my former best friend this week. He said he never really intended to but who knows He had been telling people at work we were separated but never told any of them when we were reconciling in order to assist this illusion.
  6. On the 16th July, instead of telling her they could no longer be friends he told her that they needed to go quiet for a while because I was angry about their friendship and he wanted to amicably divorce so that they could “do things properly”. She, astonishingly, agreed to wait patiently in the wings and not to bother him again until the divorce came through. But made him promise he was doing this to divorce amicably and that he wasn't trying to reconcile with his wife. He swore that was right. Then he started messaging her again less than two weeks later when we were on holiday having a lovely time saying he wished he was with her
  7. He had told her about the counselling but that it was mediation for the divorce.
  8. He told her I was the crazy unhinged ex that couldn’t move on. In fact I had moved on and he was devastated by it. He was the one pulling me back in, and now it seems he did exactly the same to her as she had moved on too.
  9. And last weekend when he went to the flat he told her he had to break up with her because I had threatened him with never seeing the kids again which is simply not true- but apparently he had said this in the past too to explain having to spend time with me.
  10. When I asked him to come over that evening because of my panic attack/ sick feeling he had already stayed at hers for two nights previously and was due to go there again, but dropped her to come to me, saying one of the kids was ill, which made her coo about what a good father he was prioritising his kids. When actually he was prioritising me.
  11. The night before the first marriage counselling session that went so disastrously wrong because he had man flu he had actually been out with her until 2am. No wonder he looked run down and wasn’t certain whether he really wanted to put any work into our marriage Hmm
  12. The ill-fated night of the face timing was deliberate on her part. She didn’t trust him either and had been sneaking a look at his phone and seen that he was seeing me that night when he said it was dinner with his dad.

So all in all it is a massive shitstorm. I am beyond devastated and phoned in sick for the first time ever last week as i couldn't sleep or eat or get out of bed and actually threw up a few times. I am obviously really glad that I never let him in my pants but I did let him back into my heart, and in the face of all the vowing and begging and iPad giving I felt like I was going mad to still be suspicious. I even thought I should stay off Mumsnet because it was making me permanently suspicious! What he has done this year is worse than last even, and this time he has done it to her as well as me. I cannot fathom his capacity for lying as it is just unbelievable. I really wish I had stuck with moving on last year as I now feel like he has wasted more of my life and I am getting on in years. I now feel like my whole adult life has been a lie. And given his world class capacity for deception, maybe it has Sad

I know you will all think I am mad for even having considered taking him back but I truly believed he had made a mistake and got carried away and that he was deeply remorseful/repentant/a changed man. And I explained all the complex reasons before, and didn’t think it was black and white. Ultimately I wanted to believe the man I married, fell in love with and spent 16 years with was really real, and I wanted him back.
I should have listened to all those saying “once a cheat always a cheat” but I can’t believe he couldnt even wait and see whether we could get past his first infidelity before embarking on the next one. I just don’t understand. I don’t think I ever will.

I am just devastated all over again. Understatement of the century.

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inlectorecumbit · 17/09/2018 20:36

why are you putting yourself through this OP?
He is a proven liar and a cheat. It won't get any better and you can never trust him. He WILL go back to her- the pull is too great for some reason.
Hold your head up high and move on..

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 17/09/2018 21:16

why are you putting yourself through this OP?
He is a proven liar and a cheat. It won't get any better and you can never trust him. He WILL go back to her- the pull is too great for some reason.
Hold your head up high and move on..

Even he understands we are going to get divorced now. I am very sad about it but I realise I cannot put myself through it any more. The decree nisi is due to be pronounced in a few weeks.

He won't be going back to her - not because I don't think he wouldnt try, I wouldn't put anything past him these days, but because he has hurt and betrayed and deceived her beyond belief too. Every time he saw me he lied to her as well as vice versa. He dropped her like a hot potato whenever I said I needed him.

And the worst thing is the fertility test thing. He completely led her up the garden path and deceived her into thinking he wanted to have kids with her when he knew full well that he had had a vasectomy. To me that is the really cruel and unusual selfish thing. I think she is nearly 35. He has wasted two years of her limited fertility, deliberately deceived her into thinking she had found someone to start a family with, sucking her back in with lies every time she tried to walk away and move on. I remember feeling like the clock was ticking after I was 30 and I was married and all settled! I cannot imagine that after all the fuckwittery he put her through and all the lies she now knows he told her that she will want to waste one more minute on him.

In fact that is the only good thing to come out of this. I have stopped being angry at her and see her as another victim. I have even apologised to her for indirectly calling her a homewrecker. And that is good because I have felt disproportionate anger towards her for a whole year. It is good to let that go even if it is replaced by yet more devastation for all involved Sad

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findingmywaytoday · 17/09/2018 21:17

Op don't worry about what anyone else thinks. It was your relationship, you need to figure out what you want. I'm sorry he's done this again, but if you hadn't tried you may have always looked back with regret / rose tinted specs.

blueangel1 · 17/09/2018 21:29

OP, you have my utmost sympathies. This sounds so much like the death throes of my marriage.

I had rumbled that exh was seeing someone (a friend of mine, no less), and when I caught him out, he flung himself on my mercy and said he had ended it immediately. Except he hadn't, of course.

A couple of weeks later he decided to tell me that she "needed" him to be her friend as she was in an abusive marriage (she wasn't; her husband was a kind man in the middle of a nervous breakdown because of her behaviour). I went up the wall and again, he said he had stopped contact. He even offered to go to Relate, then wormed his way out of the appointment.

A week or so after that I found out he had rented out an apartment with her, so I slung him out.

Then karma came and bit him on the bum a bit as she then refused to leave her DH, saying that he was "her best friend". Some best friend, she had even gone off to shag exh when her own DH was in hospital. With the thought that he was going to be alone, which narcs don't like, he decided he wanted to come back home. I was deeply suspicious, but let him come back, but by this point I knew that all I was trying to do was prove what a lying shit he was.

Despite all his protestations of having broken all contact with her, he'd come back with the express intention of making her jealous enough to leave her DH. I caught him texting her within a few days and threw him out. It was such a relief.

Oh, and he introduced her to his DPs within a few hours of me throwing him out. Classic actions of a Golden Child.

I've survived though OP, and you will too, I promise Flowers

inlectorecumbit · 17/09/2018 21:30

bedraggled
Flowers
It seems to have been a horrendous period in your life and l am glad you seem to have made your peace with OW.
I wish you all the best for your future

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 17/09/2018 22:02

No need to feel sorry for the OW, she knew he was married and was happy for him to treat you and your children like shit. She absolutely deserves what she's got. But him... words fail me.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 17/09/2018 22:42

No need to feel sorry for the OW, she knew he was married she did last year but I have seen messages from her saying that she knew that what they did last year was horrendous and unforgivable and that she always knew she would pay for it in some form, that karma would bite her. And seeing that she does understand that, having wanted desperately to make her understand what she did for over a year has made me able to forgive her.

Particularly seeing in indisputable black and white that he lied through his teeth this time. He told her we were practically divorced and that they were in a bona fide relationship. He sucked her back in with her protesting that it wasn't right. And when he said that he needed to not contact her for an indefinite period in order to finalise his divorce amicably so that they could do things properly, she agreed to wait in the wings quietly and not make trouble for him!

So those things have neutralised my feelings of hatred towards her. Which were pretty intense and not healthy. So that's a good thing at least.

But speaking of karma, I continue to have horrendous luck ( My bike had a puncture this morning) and he continues to live a charmed life. He has ruined lives with barely a second thought and somehow he walks away unscathed every time.

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