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Just devastated by DHs betrayal. Need a hand hold

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 26/07/2017 20:29

Ten whole days have passed since my whole world disintegrated and I think it would be therapeutic to get it all out. I really need support though so please don't kick me when I am down. I know I have been naive and feel stupid enough already.

Ten days ago we went to the zoo. We had a lovely day with our kids. Took them to pizza express afterwards and was generally a really lovely family day. In the evening we watched a film but he didn't sit next to me as he said he was buying motorbike stuff online. All was fine until he had a few too many drinks and was snarly about our friends we were going on holiday with. Before bed I posted on mumsnet about that particular issue and was mildly amused to see all the responses saying he was clearly having an affair with her. When I got up that morning he was distracted with the kids and I picked up his phone to see what had been going on with holiday friend. Not seeing any justification for his venom towards friend I was about to give it back when it occurred to me that there was no thread with a girl he usually messaged.
Not really knowing how to work an iPhone I happened to swipe up and ended up in archived chats where Her name was front and centre with messages the day before. When I opened it and saw that he had been sending her photos of my children the day before while at the zoo as a family and in the evening watching a film with meSad

Once he realised I was onto something he chased me around the garden, tried to physically tackle me to get his phone back and only when our three year old came into the room did I escape with his phone and drove to a friends house wearing nothing but a nightie to get a chance to properly look at what I had glimpsed.

And what I confirmed was everyone's worse fears. I later realised the messages only went back three weeks but in that time he had messaged her 5000 times. He had sent her

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NotMyPenguin · 03/08/2017 15:34

Oh, Bedraggled, I really understand and empathise with your anger. You are of course right. It was better and easier before, and you are right to blame him for wrecking something lovely and spoiling your careful plans for when you would ideally go back to work and how.

Although you've done amazing things in getting a job offer so very quickly, I can really relate to the feeling of it being a let-down in terms of family life.

If it helps, I found that getting the right wrap-around childcare made the most enormous difference to our lives. DD could be cared for at home by somebody who she really grew to adore. And in a funny way, I also felt it was healthy for her to have a second close relationship with an adult who saw her daily -- it balanced out the overdose of 'Mummy' that she got otherwise. Our amazing babysitter/nanny is now one of our most loved family friends and will always be part of the family. It doesn't have to be a shitty experience if you are lucky with getting the right people, I promise. And get your DH to pull his weight too, both financially and practically, and you may find it works out reasonably well.

Maybe your next job can be the ideal family-friendly one, and in the mean time you are really setting yourself up to get back on track with the career? (I found that part-time jobs were hard to find at a higher level. I definitely think it is easier to move from SAHM to full-time than SAHM to part-time in terms of role quality. And then it's easier to move from full-time to part-time -- possibly even in the same role/company if they like you, as you have a right to ask after working there for 6 months).

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 03/08/2017 16:52

Thanks people.

Still feeling really teary . And really angry. It is really inconvenient about my foot because I feel like I could burn off some of my frustrations if I could go for a run. I bet he is getting to go for a run, but he managed to take that away from me too, which is leaving me feeling wound up and the only thing I can do is cry.

I was intending to ring the employer today and talk about practical working hours etc but i have been such a wreck I haven't even been able to talk to the kids without sobbing or snapping so it is still all up in the air. Hopefully once I can actually know what to expect I can get a plan in place to make it work and feel more in control. At the moment I just feel helpless.

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jeaux90 · 03/08/2017 20:41

Hey. Hope you get some time to yourself tonight. Just try and get some rest and sleep, hot shower etc.

Are you allowed to swim with the foot? If you aren't allowed to kick you can stick a float in between your thighs! I so understand about the exercise thing. I'm a single mum now and when it all first blew up I felt like I wanted to burst I was so pent up. Running etc was the one thing I felt in control of (I swim now knees are a bit fucked after years of running Grin)

It's great news about the job. I hope you can get logistics agreed with him about the kids in advance including school holidays so you can get some time to yourself.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 03/08/2017 21:04

My amazing friend dropped everything and came to be a shoulder to cry on this evening. Now just feeling exhausted and hoping sleep will help and it will all look better in the morning

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Brown76 · 04/08/2017 11:09

Sending 💐you are doing amazingly, congratulations on your new job. I've got friends going through this, so glad you can reach out to yours in RL. Full of admiration for you.

CharlieBoo · 04/08/2017 11:19

Hope you're feeling better... in a few months time you'll look back on this and feel immensely proud of what you've acheived under such difficult circumstances. You're already doing amazingly well.. keep going, one foot in front of the other.. you are so strong x

lazycrazyhazy · 06/08/2017 22:51

I hope your weekend has been bearable.
Huge admiration for your strength.

Shoxfordian · 07/08/2017 07:03

Hope you're doing alright; congrats for the new job. You're very strong Flowers

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 15/09/2018 14:32

Think I am massively overdue for an update. Apologies as it will be very long.

I got my ducks in a row, kicked him out of the house, saw a lawyer and desperately started searching for a job. I had counselling, went back to work and got a life for myself. I was pretty much a wreck when I wasn’t busy but I kept trucking. All this time I had to listen to my h and his tale of self pity, and I even ended up handing him two of our best friends on a plate because he was circling the drain and I couldn’t be the one to console him when it was my life he had ruined too. Plus there was then the fun day where he declared all his reading had allowed him to recognise that he had had an emotional affair with said best friend a year prior to starting the physical affair with OW, and in fact he had only introduced me to friend in the first place because they had recognised they were getting inappropriately close and thought they should bring her husband and his wife in on it and make it a more wholesome group family thing!!!! That news obviously made my life so much better Hmm From D-day itself he had been begging me to go to marriage counselling/ go on a date, and he had broken up with OW that day and read all the books, but at the end of the day I couldn’t even bear to be in the same room as him. By Christmas I was getting on with my life and tried to move on and even went on OLD and tried dating -with limited success since I am so damaged. I filed for divorce on the six month deadline because it was important to me to do it on grounds for adultery and I had been feeling like I had lost all momentum and should have done it on day one (when he begged me to wait six months and see).

In late February (7-8 months on) our joint best friend, best man at our wedding, godfather to our DC returned from travelling around the world and came to visit us. Obviously our having separated made this difficult and when my h got allocated the Saturday night and I was relegated to 9am on Sunday morning I was a bit miffed (knowing they would be up drinking and I would get a hungover reunion) so decided to suck it up and say I would come to dinner with them for old times sake. Which I did, and we actually had a good time although too much was drunk by all. After that my hatred of h softened and I started spending time with him, either going to the pub for Sunday lunch with the kids, or cinema for kids club, and even on our own as a date a couple of times. I also agreed to go to marriage counselling finally in april, after c. 9 months of him pushing for it and me saying I wasn’t ready (which I wasn’t) . The counselling didn’t actually happen until June by the time I had looked into it and gone through the work employee assistance programme. And the first one was terrible because he looked a state (with man flu and as it later turned out a hangover) and she sympathised with him, asking if he was “run down” and saying I needed to forgive and forget and never mention it again. And when she asked him if he wanted to reconcile he said he didn’t know, which threw me as the whole basis for going was that he had been begging me to for nearly a year! Anyway I asked the EAP for a new counsellor as I decided you couldn’t unmake a first impression. Second counsellor was better- partly because she seemed to see through his bullshit, but on the basis that he said he had ended it a year ago and ceased contact, was committed to reconciling and did want to work towards getting past it, we agreed to continue the sessions.
The next weds we went out for dinner, just the two of us, and then went back to his flat nearby for a nightcap. We were listening to songs on YouTube and I had his iPad in my hands when the OW face flashed up, FACE TIMING him at 11pm at night. And then my world unravelled for the second time. He denied everything, tries to say he doesn’t know why she is ringing, then that they are working together again but he hadn’t told me. Obviously I don’tbelieve for a second that she was VIDEO calling him at 1130 at night about work!! I send him for his phone, which takes an inexplicable time to retrieve and by the time I get it it is conspicuously wiped. I ask where her messages are and he says he has been cleaning out, prior to this occasion, nothing suspicious at all, no sirree. Of course he hasn’t learned a thing a year on and I catch him out by pointing the surprising number of WhatsApp calls from someone he isn’t in contact with outside work but who never messages him.

He continues to beg and plead his innocence for ten more days. He says he is all in and wants to prove himself and gives me all his passwords and even helps me to send up an online spying account thing that I successfully used to retrieve his deleted data with, with his permission, last year. But strangely it doesn’t manage to retrieve anything at all, which I put down to him changing his apple Id assword at least once a day until the end of the free trial, while also asking me if I have received any backups yet?! Plus some gaslighting about how can he prove the absence of something.... it just isn’t possible. During this time he is making such a fuss about it that I have a niggling doubt that maybe this was all some inexplicable coincidence, and I am running around trying to prove his innocence too. Finally he comes to pick the kids up and I ask to look at his phone and rather than reading his messages I look at the settings and find that despite his claims he has set his phone to never back up anything. So there is nothing to retrieve. And moreover, he has uninstalled and reinstalled what’s app and others on the night of the ill timed video call, so there is doubly no chance of retrieving anything. After I tell him he is a pathological liar I get him being selfpitying again, saying he doesn’t know why he did it tralala. Eventually after that he admits that he was “friends” with OW despite supposedly being NC, then gradually he admits that he dropped her at her house in a taxi once, then that they kissed once, and finally, after about ten days he says yes he had been sleeping with her again but still claims it was all over before that night and only three times And that it had been an ill advised friendship with OW along with a couple of stupid mistakes. On the anniversary of D-day he goes to work to meet OW for lunch and explain that they cannot be friends, that they never can be or should have been, as he wants to reconcile with his wife even though the chances of this happening are getting very low. That evening we go to marriage counselling and I am furious and spend the entire time ranting, not only because it is the anniversary of ddday and because he has told me OW was “hurt” by the conversation, but because when we arrive at counselling we can’t get in because his scorched earth mission has gone so far as deleting, uninstalling and reinstalling the standard text messaging app that held details of the gate code to get in!!

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 15/09/2018 14:38

There are more updates to come as that is what I wrote 6 weeks ago after the anniversary of ddday but never posted till now. But will take me a while to get the rest out and am going to go and try to have fun with my friend.

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SchnitzelVonKrumm · 15/09/2018 15:12

Is the friend he had the emotional affair with the one he'd fallen out with in your original thread? What's she got to say for herself? What an utter arse he's been.

Saggital · 15/09/2018 16:02

I never knew your original thread, as I’ve only been here a couple of months. Though I don’t understand why you are so invested in him still. A year ago I would have been gone and doing this precious life thing. A sizeable segment of your candle has been burned on him. I don’t get it when it’s so obvious you know he’s nothing.

Notaprimeminister · 15/09/2018 16:16

Wow... he's a piece of work isn't he?

You're doing great by the way. Kudos to you.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 15/09/2018 16:31

Schnitzel. yes the original friend from the original thread. She said she didn't think it was an emotional affair but I don't think you even understand that term until you read the books and threads on here. We have fallen out now because she seemed to take his side in all this despite having been involved in the initial fallout. She basically got upset when I briefly tried moving on and dating, and decided that meant he was now more deserving of her sympathy and supportHmm

Saggital, yes exactly. I don't know why. Unfortunately this man is an extremely accomplished liar, who has also been everything to me for 16 years and after I defrosted in February I started feeling nostalgic for the man I thought he was trying to be again. And my main issue in counselling was that I felt guilty for having to be the one to call time on our family and break up my happy home despite him being the one that damaged it. So I wanted to give it a second chance. The counsellor said that you don't regret trying again but you do regret not giving it a second chance.

Now that it has all come out in the wash I regret going to counselling with someone who was still having the affair and was lying and manipulating and gaslighting. But I still feel heartbroken for the family life I thought I had and thought I might be able to have again. Sad

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Doingreat · 15/09/2018 16:32

Make your peace op and let him go. He's really not worth this anguish and heartache.

looondonn · 15/09/2018 16:45

he is not worth it
so sorry

you sound very strong please stay strong and start a life without him

crispysausagerolls · 15/09/2018 16:56

This is all just 😱!! OP I am so sorry for you - you are such a fantastic and strong woman, and an excellent role model for your children. What an absolute shit for going back to seeing her and carrying on whilst begging for you back. Just unbelievable! I bet you are pleased now that you didn’t take him back initially, as he would not have changed! Well done and stay strong xx

Rosemary46 · 15/09/2018 17:16

I’m reading your update and my jaw is hitting the floor at what a complete and utter bastard he is. And how brave and strong you are.

Blanca87 · 15/09/2018 18:08

What a bastard. Absolute cuntiod.

lizzie1970a · 15/09/2018 18:14

You've turned the corner now. You cannot reproach yourself for anything. He's a shit, plain and simple. You have integrity, he does not. Go and live your life and in time be open hopefully to meeting someone else. He will probably then up his game again and ask for a third chance so beware. There are better things ahead for you.

Cawfee · 15/09/2018 18:55

Time to put him behind you. He’s a liar and can never be trusted.

Waddsup12 · 15/09/2018 21:57

Cannot believe how useless the counsellers have been. Think you're better off here, certainly safer than getting dragged back into all that drama & illusion.

SwearySwearyQuiteContrary · 16/09/2018 03:16

You know what, when you look back at all of this in few year’s time you’ll be able to say, “I could not have done any more to make that relationship work.” It’s all on him.

finn1020 · 16/09/2018 04:54

Don’t try to forget what he’s done. It’s up to you if you want to forgive. But it’s not likely to be the last time it happens.

croprotationinthe13thcentury · 16/09/2018 06:00

This guy sounds warped OP. You need to move on for your sanity.
As for your counseller, she is part of the problem not the solution.