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Affair/separation - DH has asked me to leave. Do I go?

428 replies

runningLou · 03/07/2017 21:06

To avoid drip feeding will not spare the details.
Unhappily married. I was caught cheating 4 years ago. Tried to mend everything for sake of kids. Didn't work, both very unhappy and with MH issues.
I recently met someone. Told DH I wanted to separate. We had discussed 'bird-nesting' with me staying over some nights to be with DC overnight. We want to keep the family home for the kids if possible.
DH has said tonight he wants me out. Every night, and basically told me I had made my choice and to move in with OM.
Don't want to do this - too soon, bad for kids, bad for everyone, I think.
Also I do not want to be the Mummy that leaves, and that is what it will look like to them.
Can I persist in staying? Am I right that me leaving and taking all my stuff (DH wants it gone) will be more distressing for kids?
Financially could just about manage to rent a room somewhere nearby so thinking of doing this. My idea is to come in every morning to do their breakfast, and stay every night till after bedtime. This is what we have been doing the past couple of weeks since we first talked and it has worked ok ... I thought.
House is in joint names, as are all savings.

OP posts:
SeekingSugar · 06/07/2017 11:49

So much nastiness, and all totally unnecessary.

OP is asking for support, does anyone in here actually understand what that means?

Oh and forgive my sloppy memory but when was there ever a post about a cheating man wanting to sleep away but rock up to do kids' breakfasts etc? No, never happened.

OP wants to continue to care for her children and she needs advice.

OP I think you need to divorce and split proceeds so you can all move on. Carefully done, your children will be ok. All the best.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/07/2017 12:04

I'm ignoring all the nastiness.

OP - you should NOT leave your DC with someone with MH issues.
And the primary carer of the DC should NOT leave.

And that is the crux of it.

People have affairs for many reasons.
Yes it's crap. But it's happened.
OP, as primary carer should NOT be leaving the marital home.
Simple!

JoshLymanJr · 06/07/2017 12:11

OP - you should NOT leave your DC with someone with MH issues

What a truly disgusting sweeping statement.

Italiangreyhound · 06/07/2017 12:43

Figaro what are men's views? These views women need to take into account. Can you sum then up?

Bearing I'm mind none of us know if posters are male or female unless we have met them. It they disclose their sex.

I'm happy to say I am female.

But my views on marriage break up are not about who is male or who is female.

Atenco · 06/07/2017 13:38

Figaro I generally try to support the poster and the poster is generally female. I will only criticise the poster if I think said criticism is of benefit to them.

But in this case, it is not just a woman vs man situation. There are children involved and they are paramount.

TheDiamondMumcrafter · 06/07/2017 14:00

I had mental health problems (pnd) after my second child was born. I also was and am the main carer. Should my husband have not left the children with me?

Lucysky2017 · 06/07/2017 14:19

I think she said earlier on that her husband could not be left with the children or did not remember to collect them from school or something ilke that that is so bad I cannot see it as safe to leave the children entirely to him.

JoshLymanJr · 06/07/2017 14:34

I think she said earlier on that her husband could not be left with the children or did not remember to collect them from school or something ilke that that is so bad I cannot see it as safe to leave the children entirely to him.

The OP didn't say anything of the sort.

ExConstance · 06/07/2017 14:45

is it a rented or owned house? conduct has no influence on the divorce proceedings so there is no reason why you should not stay. If he is making life difficult for you you could get an injunction, or the police might prosecute him for emotional abuse and controlling behaviour if he is very unpleasant.

Italiangreyhound · 06/07/2017 14:49

Figaro Mumsnet is open to all, mums, dad, non-parents alike (as far as I am aware).

People rarely display their sex in their username. I have a sneaking feeling many who have a male name in their user name are not necessarily male, so how do you know who is male and who is female on Mumsnet?

Here is what I think about affairs/cheating/adultery as far as people respond.

Men seem to not be very interested in debating adultery unless it effects them personally. Women seem to have a sense of moral outrage and so I guess many of the people commenting on the affairs others may have are women who are expressing disgust and anger, whether or not the person having the affair is a male or a female.

When my dear friend was going out with a guy in college (we were all in college) she told us firmly if he ever cheated, that was it. When he did, with a very attractive women, she was distraught but she was more concerned to keep the relationship with him, despite the 'affair; which in this case was (I think) a one night stand.

His male friends were openly quite impressed that he had managed to sleep with such a beautiful woman.

My own opinion was that she should do as she wished, forgive him and try and make it work, or leave him and move on. We eventually lost touch so I don't know how the story ended.

My point is that males and females cheat. I think it is not a 'male or female only problem'.

But how posters view this, how they response is based on their own expectation, their own experiences maybe (I am guessing those who have been cheated on or who have friends who have been cheated on) will be very angry at the OP because they see themselves (or their friend) in her husband, even though the actual situation may be quite different.

My feeling is women will share more, tell their friends what has happened etc. But based on my observations of life, men seem less likely to discuss their relationships, and so men may actually know few friends who have been cheated on etc. And even if they do, I would be surprised how many would want to get into long debates on line about it.

So I do not think this is a men verses women issue, or that many posters who are men are coming on to beret the OP. But rather that many women are discussing this topic. Some will see an affair as a marriage breaker and will see the harm but others might see that the marriage was already broken, the OP already looking for a way out. And in such circumstances, especially where children are concerned, the issue is more about how to move forward apart, than how to try and 'fix' a broken marriage.

Changedname3456 · 06/07/2017 19:04

"If he is making life difficult for you you could get an injunction, or the police might prosecute him for emotional abuse and controlling behaviour if he is very unpleasant"

Nice Hmm

Yes, OP, why not take ExC's advice? Create a situation in which you'll further fuck up his mental health by hanging around the FMH like a particularly sticky shit stain on the toilet pan.

Then, when he tells you he doesn't like it, kick him even more by calling the police and claim he's abusing you. Anything to get him out of your way, it's all fair and good. Move on, nothing to see here.

Italiangreyhound · 06/07/2017 20:52

Changedname3456 the marriage is over. He has to accept that. He can't just act how he wants because his wife has had an affair. We have all agreed eve affair is wrong but it Doran't give ho. Carte Blanche to do as he likes. Yes, he is angry, but he cannot kick the OP put it makelofe unbearable for her. You do understand that?

Italiangreyhound · 06/07/2017 20:53

The not eve.

Italiangreyhound · 06/07/2017 21:16

Sorry Changedname3456 I doubt if you can understand that post!

I meant "We have all agreed the affair is wrong but it doesn't give him Carte Blanche to do as he likes. Yes, he is angry, but he cannot kick the OP out or make her life unbearable for her"

JoshLymanJr · 06/07/2017 22:37

Yes, he is angry, but he cannot kick the OP out or make her life unbearable for her

Yet there seems to be no problem if she makes life unbearable for him, which seems more like what is actually happening.

Italiangreyhound · 07/07/2017 03:23

JoshLymanJr "Yet there seems to be no problem if she makes life unbearable for him, which seems more like what is actually happening."

How is she making life unbearable for him? Because she no longer wants to be married to him? That may well be very, very unpleasant and he has my sympathy, but she is not a possession he gets to hang onto. Any more than a man is a possession of a woman.

It is horrible and painful when love dies or marriages break up. But the reality is we cannot force anyone to love us or be faithful to us.

And so we must try to work out, within the law, what is best for all concerned. Placing special emphasis on children because they truly are the innocent parties in any dispute.

You may think you know what I think about men who have affairs, but you don't. Because I think there is a big difference between sneaking around behind someone's back and having affairs and pretending all is fine, and actually coming out and saying we need to break up, this isn't working. So compare like for like, not apples for oranges, or whatever the phrase is.

Not loving someone, not wanting to sleep with someone, wanting to sleep with someone else, all these things must be very hard to bear for anyone who genuinely loves their wife. The fact he wants her out, wants her stuff out and doesn't seem too bothered about how this will affect the kids suggests to me that he isn't quite so bothered about a broken heart but more about getting his own back on her, at any costs. So my sympathy has run a bit thin on him really.

whatnow17 · 07/07/2017 05:26

It is horrible and painful when love dies or marriages break up. But the reality is we cannot force anyone to love us or be faithful to us.

And so we must try to work out, within the law, what is best for all concerned. Placing special emphasis on children because they truly are the innocent parties in any dispute.

^ agree completely.

[Am going through a marriage breakdown myself (no affairs on either side as far as I know, but anything is possible), and it is truly painful. Dark times. H refusing to discuss separation, so am going to involve a solicitor and things are going to get much harder IMO Shock.]

The rest is just witch hunting. There is no witch, there are just human beings in this scenario.

And I agree that the OP came here for support, but there have been hundreds of posts which are anything but supportive.

nomoreheroesanymore · 07/07/2017 07:37

Really pleased this thread has taken a much kinder turn. Really uncomfortable with the venom.

ExConstance · 07/07/2017 11:17

I hadn't noticed fro the original post the house was in joint names, so presumably owned. Much better for OP to remain while the proceedings go through. The husband is attaching so much blame to her and behaving in an erratic way, so he could possibly try to sabotage the settlement of the claims. OP, you need to see a solicitor and crack on with the divorce asap.

JoshLymanJr · 07/07/2017 11:41

The husband is attaching so much blame to her and behaving in an erratic way, so he could possibly try to sabotage the settlement of the claims

Where is that made clear in the OPs posts?

This thread is really quite disturbing in the way posters are willing to just completely make stuff up to justify their prejudices. Words like 'abusive' and 'controlling' have been used to describe the husband (the wronged party, remember) without a shred of evidence to support them. Posters just pull stuff out of their backsides as long as it casts blame for the situation on the man. The use of his MH problems against him is bordering on sinister.

ExConstance · 07/07/2017 12:09

DH has said tonight he wants me out. Every night, and basically told me I had made my choice and to move in with OM.
Trying to get the OP out of the house she is part owner of and joint owner of seems pretty abusive behaviour. Any family lawyer will tell you that this is part of a script where husband tries to get wife to leave and makes life difficult for her, he is then in control of the house and any sale, she ends up being offered a pittance. There is no "wronged party" in divorce these days.

Changedname3456 · 07/07/2017 14:03

"Trying to get the OP out of the house she is part owner of and joint owner of seems pretty abusive behaviour"

And yet this is routinely trotted out as advice where it's a wronged wife.

Things like "pack his bags and change the locks" or "tell him to fuck off to OW" are so prevalent on here that they're almost stock phrases.

I'm not saying you would necessarily give this advice, but it's common currency on MN (at least where the cheater's a man)

ShoesHaveSouls · 07/07/2017 14:17

Two points on the 'pack his bags and change the locks' advice:

The man in these case is never the primary carer for the children.

The advice is always robustly countered on the thread, with the advice that this is not legal.

ExConstance · 07/07/2017 14:17

No, I look out for theses comments about husbands/male partners and remind the posters that what they are advising is strictly illegal, and could cost them a lot of money in costs if the case ends up in court.

JoshLymanJr · 07/07/2017 14:22

DH has said tonight he wants me out. Every night, and basically told me I had made my choice and to move in with OM

This is unreasonable behaviour (although arguably understandable), it doesn't make it abusive.