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Suddenly finding myself at the end, after 12 years?

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Flyingmoonpig · 15/06/2017 21:30

Hello there,

I have been a long term lurker and have never posted! Thought I'd give it a shot and see if anybody might be able to offer any guidance. I feel lost TBH.

Myself and my partner have been together for 12 years and we have three children (8, 5 and 3). My partner is 11 years older than me and also has 2 children from when he was married.

Our relationship had a fairly unsteady start... lots of drinking & taking drugs together, me struggling to get used to dating a man with children, ex wife, controlling mother etc. We were taken with each other right away but life was complicated.

We broke up 2 years into our relationship because he didn't want anymore children and I did, this had been a big source of conflict and we agreed to split. He came back to me saying he'd changed his mind and that he would love to have children with me so after a period of time we got back together.. lots of drama after I'd slept with someone else while we were apart.

Anyway we carried on as usual, going out at the weekends, went on holiday then found out I was pregnant. 1st child born in 2008 (who was very hard work!).

I was studying at the time which made becoming a parent really tough. Other half had lost his home to repossession and was facing bankruptcy. We were skint, stressed & miserable. When he was 2 I accidentally got pregnant after contraception failure and had an ectopic pregnancy, then a few months later I had severe dyskariosis of the cervix.

I had started working and partner had started up a business which was not paying him any money, also stressful. I found myself pregnant again (planned this time) later in the year and had another child in 2012. Found myself pg again when ds2 was 1!!! Bit of a shock but I was happy, partner was not and questioned paternity!

Anyway his business has picked up and for the last few years he has taken wages, I supported household for three years with the help of tax credits prior to this though. It was a v hard time.

We've had some lovely times but a lot of our socialising has centred on drinking (plus drugs in the early days but not for a long time now). I was very insecure from the start because of ex wife and I had just come out of a very abusive relationship which I had no way healed from.

After being v lovely at first OH would change at times, uncommunicative, and inconsistent. If we argued when drunk he would break stuff or hit doors, once he slapped me round the face (but we were both drunk and I was being horrid). He reeled me in but would act sometimes completely disinterested, turning down sex and being very unaffectionate.

There has been a lot of selfish behaviour over the years such as leaving me to wet baby's head after C section, siding with his family over things e.g. When his sister wanted to stay over after I'd had csection and I said only for a night and she got upset.. he had a go at me, doing what he wants to do when he wants to do it e.g. Working all hours, nights out etc.

Perhaps none of these sound that bad but I just find that I feel pretty lonely. He's not outwardly horrible to me and can be really lovely at times. He's v sociable and all his friends and family love him. However in the relationship he doesn't really talk to me, works all the time, and does not help around the house at all. There is no affection between us and this has been absent for years.. in the early days I used to cuddle him and he just acted like he felt awkward, over time it's just started to feel weird.

It's like nothing's that bad that I can say there is a concrete reason but a gradual drip feed of stressful circumstances and me feeling quite unsupported and unappreciated over the years has led me to feel like I've fallen out of love.

Mother's Day was the worse and it's all come to a head since then, am on antidepressants, counselling and couples counselling. We talk in couples counselling but at home he just gets cross if I try and raise a difficult matter or just stares at the tv to avoid it!! He hates me asking him to do anything round the house and said that he works so hard and I don't appreciate what he does do. I also work 30 hours a week in a stressful job and am struggling. I know he is too because his business is really stressful.

It's hard to know how much of my depression is down to the relationship and how much is my own stuff but I am working through this in counselling.. but I just keep coming to the conclusion that we are not a good match. I feel like I'm growing spiritually and in my self understanding and also coming to terms with the abuse from the past but I don't feel like I want to share this with him because he doesn't get me and I've always had a gut feeling deep deep down that it's not right although for quite a while I did think he was my soul mate and we got engaged. However the wedding planning stopped and started and has now halted and my engagement ring has come off now!!

Just wondered what other people would do in this situation? He's not a bad man but is intrinsically selfish without even realise, was moddycoddled by his mum and is crap at communication. I'm probably no walk in the park either but I am trying my best. We have three young children and are being civil to each other. I feel like giving up!

Sorry it's long if you got that far!!!! Summarising 12 years is hard lol thanks for reading xxx

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Flyingmoonpig · 22/06/2017 01:14

It just doesn't feel real.. I feel uncomfortable calling it abusive because in many ways he can be a nice person but he is distant and quite cold at times (I know abusers turn on the charm... but I can't help that feel his issues aren't intentional and that he's interpersonally and emotionally challenged!!!).. however I can't change this and without intensive therapy neither can he.

I don't think he's actively set out to hurt me and he keeps saying that I need to take responsibility which I am trying my hardest to do.. I have been a drug user in my late teens/early 20s, been somewhat promiscuous! Was always quite emotional and demanding in the earlier stages of our relationship (trying to get attention), was jealous of exwife & kids. I do love going to the gym and keeping fit and he's a bit paranoid about that but never really noticed that I lost 3 stone in weight. I also analyse things a lot!! And he thinks therefore I've convinced myself based on the depression that that's it. Also am a bit greedy, love food and my creature comforts. He would say I'm a nag. In terms of the relationship I am guilty of becoming disinterested nowadays and for having crushes as well.

I feel irresponsible like I should just try harder and he is angry at the prospect of me breaking up the family.. saying it's now all my fault and that it's a sign of my mental state. I actually feel like I'm seeing things more clearly than ever after months with no alcohol and engaging in therapy myself. I pointed out that I can't stay in a relationship that I don't want to be in as it's not fair on anyone and also said that I need to go with my gut instinct., he just thinks I'm mad!!!

I feel sick and just want all this hell over and done with xxx

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springydaffs · 22/06/2017 08:17

Then do the Freedom Programme to work out if he is or isn't abusive? I wish every woman would do this course!

misscph1973 · 22/06/2017 10:22

Flying, your description of your DP's parents was really scary - I can see us being them! Yes, I have told DH that it's over, but after that I had a bit of a wobble and we agreed that we would give it a few months and that I would see the counsellor. I then recently asked if we could have "the talk", and at that point I was thinking we could try again, but he said that he did not want to talk till after the summer holidays and he put on such an air of having the upper hand because I was the one who said it was over, and then I realised that he will always use anything he can get hold of from me to be in control, and that was it. Since then (a month ago) I have worked on distancing myself. He is picking up on it, and I sense a bit of panic as he is trying harder with the DC than he normally does. But he is not trying with me, which to me means that he is now worried about loosing the practical convenience of our marriage, but he is not really worried about loosing me.

As you might be able to tell, I also analyse a lot - but if DH won't talk to me, then that is the next best thing!

springydaffs suggestion of the Freedom Programme sounds good, I know of it from MN, but I haven't really looked at it.

I read somewhere on FB: "If you are going through hell, keep walking" - maybe that could inspire you to get things moving. Just start looking into the practicalities, talk to CAB, get an idea about your rights, and then present him with your plan, but not as a suggestion, as what is going to happen. I sounds to me like your DP thinks it's all talk, that you will never actually do anything about it. Prove him wrong.

Perhaps your DS can be what triggers you to do it? I am sure you don't want him to suffer, although I understand your frustration as you can't really tell him anything at the moment. Just keep telling him you love him and that you will always be there for him, he is obviously worried. He is very young to be picking up on your situation, I think it's an oldest child syndrome - I recognise if from myself when my parents split up, and sometimes my DD (12 years) seems like she is a bit affected, but my DS (10 years) seems completely oblivious.

ineedsummer1 · 22/06/2017 10:42

I was where you were OP, 15 yrs in a relationship that wasn't going anywhere. He did nothing to help or support me and constantly let me down. I left him 2 yrs ago and although it's been very painful and I wish we could have gotten through it but he was never going to be the man I expected to be if that makes sense.

Flyingmoonpig · 22/06/2017 11:34

Hi misscph! Yes I know it's scary isn't it re: partners parents. They have always freaked me out and were one of the red flags in the beginning but I learned that this was their normal and my life would be different (yes but only if I fight tooth and nail for it which is excruciatingly painful and frustrating).

Your husband sounds like he wants that control to the point of not having the discussion.. it must be really demoralising for you :( I have guilt because my partner has started to talk but I just feel so wretched inside that I don't want to go there... also don't want to give him more ammunition if we are splitting anyway!! At least he's being more hands on with the kids hey? My partner is having to step up a bit more this week and he is really miffed about it, told me last night that he has been doing everything and that he needs more time at work. but I had told him that this week would be stressful and demanding well in advance. Regarding the analysing.. I do it and I think when conversation and understanding of the other person is missing, we fill in the blanks ourselves.

I constantly worried about his perception of it but I just don't understand him or really feel I know him TBH. Which is not how you want to feel about your future husband.

I did a tax credits estimation and some financial sums regarding support and my income. In theory I might be a bit better off so can still continue to save (I will buy a house come hell or high water at some point!!). Might speak to cab as well thank you.

Hope your children are ok.. the guilt associated with all this is awful but I am starting to feel that this is probably for the best. I really worry about my oldest throughout the process but do feel I understand him and could support him through. The school are being really good.

Hope you can find the strength to get through the summer. I need to have a think and a discussion about where this goes next.. could be holidaying just me and the kids at this rate!

Thanks for your reply ineedsummer. How are you feeling now? Are you happy with your decision despite the pain of going through it? Xxx

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misscph1973 · 22/06/2017 13:29

Well, then you are preparing, if you have looked into tax credits, good job. Would be wonderful if you could still save (doesn't seem to be a talent I have!).

Well done for insisting about your DP stepping up and not letting him get away with avoiding it.

Yes, I am happy about my decision, but it doesn't seem like much of a decision as DH won't talk to me!

Re kids, I think it is more important to be a good role model than "stay for the kids' sake" - that never really works. You DS might be confused and sad right now, but in the long term you will be doing the right thing for him and you. And it's great that the school are being supportive - he spends many hours there every day!

ineedsummer1 · 22/06/2017 13:32

Hi in a way I am glad of my decision, I'm less stressed and doing well financially, I own my own house and generally happy. I'm just so bitter about the past which Is something I need to stop doing.

PickAChew · 22/06/2017 13:43

Perhaps none of these sound that bad

Nope. They sound pretty dreadful, to be frank. It's a pretty unhealthy relationship, often overstepping into downright abusive. It seems that you "need" a version of him, but the problem is that the bit of him that you need comes with all the shit bits and they are completely inseparable.

You'll manage financially without him. It's not like he's been a reliable constant in that respect.

He'll not make any effort to find somewhere else to live. He knows which side his bread is buttered. You need to get your wits about you and give him an ultimatum - he needs to be gone by the end of July, or else you'll kick him out regardless. If you don't make a stand, you'll just keep bumbling on, unhappy, with nothing ever changing. Even if you're willing to put up with that, your DC shouldn't have to.

Flyingmoonpig · 22/06/2017 21:54

Thank you for the replies... yes misscph I don't fancy staying together for the kids as things feel horrible round here. I'm quite shell shocked by how things have spiralled out of control as it is now 3 months since Mother's Day and this period has been so hard... relationship problems in addition to old trauma- really scary TBH.

Partner told me he was leaving this evening. I'd been to yoga and when I came back he told me it had all kicked off with ds1. He'd kept getting out of bed and ignoring his dad, his dad then lost his temper and punched a plate and swore at him. He looked really upset about it and said that he doesn't know what to do and he can't manage ds1 at the moment... then said it to worry as he's definitely going soon.

What a mess, didn't think me going out for a bit would result in that. I know we all lose our temper but to punch a plate is another display of aggression like punching the door, laptop etc. I can't believe it's come to this.

It feels like there are no winners in this situation right now, just stress and upset. I had started to feel a bit more positive but now I just feel awful and felt weird and full of shame in yoga which was making me feel sick.

I just want everyone to be ok and for this to move forward now. It has to end and I can't believe it, but know it's the right thing.

Thanks so much for th replies xxx

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Flyingmoonpig · 22/06/2017 21:56

Now I'm feeling wobbly again I keep looking at my part and what I could have done differently to try and make this work.. am I just letting it go because I'm on self destruct? My gut instinct felt really strong but now I feel really yuk :( xxx

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springydaffs · 23/06/2017 00:25

Did he punch the plate in front of your boy? I hope not Angry

PickAChew · 23/06/2017 00:28

Nothing you could do would make him not be a twat x

Flyingmoonpig · 23/06/2017 06:23

Yes he did and I'm really upset about it. He also said that he's going to be moving out but didn't give me a date. I went up and spent some time with ds1 and talked about it and had a cuddle. Explained that daddy lost his temper & that he shouldn't have done it although I'm not sure what conversation his dad had had with him after it happened. I won't leave him with the kids on his own now xxx

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Flyingmoonpig · 23/06/2017 07:20

It's all kicking off. I asked him about moving out and about last night and he called me a c*. Said why don't I leave and he'll stay here with the kids. I said I thought he had planned to move out and he is really really angry. Said I've got serious issues and that I'm making a huge mistake, that I'm going to regret. I'm shaking at the moment this is just awful

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fusspot66 · 23/06/2017 07:37

Ice read moat of this with growing horror. He is awful. Start laying a paper trail on his abuse - see the gp and school about his violent door and plate smashing. Call the police next time he's threatening and smashing stuff. Be careful with yourself
(Hugs)

fusspot66 · 23/06/2017 07:38

I read most of this!

glitterfarts · 23/06/2017 07:52

He is awful and abusive. What a truly vile thing to do to a child: you won't do what I say so I'll allow myself to lose my temper and smash something in front of you, just to give the message loud and clear that if you don't tow the line, I'll be smashing you next.
He is violent. He is abusive. He just hides it better than your ex.
Please, please kick him out and keep you and your kids safe. I find reading this quite scary. There's been a definite escalation since the beginning of the thread.
Please don't stay for the kids. He is damaging them. Your relationship is showing them how to act in one. How to treat their partner in the future.

Iamthinking · 23/06/2017 08:19

You can do this OP, your gut instinct was right. It is not going to be easy, it is not going to be pleasant or nice, but you have your head screwed on and you are doing the right thing.

You are not making a serious mistake, you are not going to regret it. He might - you won't.

misscph1973 · 23/06/2017 09:15

Oh, I am so sorry, Flying, I think it's normal to have doubts and wonder if it's all your fault (I do sometimes). It's not all your fault, and please don't feel guilty about going to a yoga class - you should be able to do that without your DP kicking off.

I think he is panicking, he is frustrated that he can't handle your DS and he doesn't know what to do. The plate punching is really primitive, I guess he lost all rationality in that moment.

You need to ask him to leave again. I suggest you ring Women's Aid is similar to get some advice about how to handle this before hand - just to be prepared.

Keep posting!

Flyingmoonpig · 23/06/2017 09:31

How ridiculous that I'm currentky on a course about domestic violence. Will respond in more detail later.. he's just accused me of having an affair

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Flyingmoonpig · 23/06/2017 11:12

Yes fusspot it really scared me and I have seen this before a few times. He says he loses his temper then blames whoever made him lose his temper. He text asking if I'm having an affair and I said no, that he needs to listen to the things I'm saying and that at the moment I feel really scared of him. No response. If he kicks off later I will call the police. I've asked him not to go out drinking because then it could get quite nasty I think.

Glitterfarts (nice name lol) he has told me he is going to be gone and won't be giving me any money at the start of the month as he'll need all his money for his living costs. I hope he has actually put something in motion for this to happen because every time we have this conversation he loses his temper and he is really awful to be around at the moment.

This morning he said that I should leave because I'm breaking up the family and that he'll have the kids!! Wtf?!! The man who smashes things and can't cope with our sons challenging behaviour?

Misscph one of the ladies taking our training works for women's aid!! I have actually spoken to his exwife this morning.. she said when she went to leave he'd been drinking and she was holding their baby and he threw a lamp at her. So much stuff I never knew about but have always known that the incidents weren't right but allowed myself to think that the nice laid back side was the real him. My gut feeling was there in the beginning and throughout the relationship but I have been trying to make it work I think.

I really really really want him to leave but not sure if he is actually going to do it so I am going to have to consider moving me and the kids out... I am trying to say to him that he needs to put their wellbeing first, despite how horrible this is but he is very angry at the moment and is utterly convinced that it's all me.

I am dreading tonight. If he kicks off I am going to call the police xxx

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springydaffs · 23/06/2017 14:14

All the more reason to get Women's Aid onside.

You may think you know a lot about domestic abuse but it isn't unless you've experienced it you really get it. I know you've had a previous experience of it but that was predominantly violence - there are other forms of domestic abuse, or coercive control.

Even though I know a lot about domestic abuse, both in theory and practise, I know I am still vulnerable to it. The truth is, we all are. It's the way it's done that blindsides - before you know it you're up to your neck in it.

misscph1973 · 23/06/2017 14:37

He obviously feels under pressure, and he is doing things he will later regret. Can you and the DC go and stay with family for the weekend? Give him time to cool

He is threatening you with the money to see if you are serious.

I know about the blaming - my DH used to say "You made me xx" when he threw things about in fits of anger. He did eventually realise that he has to take responsibility for his own actions.

I have been reading about transanctional analysis - your DP is behaving like a child, refusing to see things as they are and not taking any responsibility. You now need to really keep calm, keep responding as an adult, and avoid responding as a child or a parent, ie. don't play along and enter into a row (child), and don't give in and try to "fix" the situation (parent). This might include you leaving a situation where he is being too unreasonable and you can't get through to him. Just keep calm and stand your ground.

Iamthinking · 23/06/2017 15:17

What misscph said in her last paragraph.

Also, who cares if he is saying it is your fault? Don't get caught up in trying to get control of the narrative, the end game is that he leaves/you split. Try to keep that in mind when he is insulting you and putting all the blame on you, try to let it wash over you, try to be all "whatever" in your mind when he says it. Stay calm, don't let him push your buttons and try and keep to practicalities.
As what does it actually matter if he can't see what he has done wrong and his ongoing narrative is that you were depressed blah blah? It is not your problem, you just need him out, you need to stay safe, and you need calm restored.

misscph1973 · 23/06/2017 16:49

Very good points, Iamthinking, it doesn't actually matter who is in the right, and it's pointless to spend energy on who did what wrong.

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