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Losing friends when life changes for the better!

186 replies

oxosmoothie · 07/01/2017 10:29

I come from very humble beginnings and found I made friends with people of similar backgrounds growing up. We had similar troubles: problematic parents, difficult relationships, lack of money etc etc.

I'm now in my 30s and am still friends with some of the people I became friends with in my late teens/early20s, when I was facing a lot of these struggles still.

Ive worked hard to alter my mental health for the better, been well educated, got myself a decent job, made a decent living and changed my life around for the better. I've married a good man, with a good job and we have enough money to live on the lower end of comfortably.

We have recently moved to a bigger house, a detached house, in a nice area with a nice garden, nothing huge, but nice and comfortable. I recently invited a small group of these friends to the new house and was so excited to show them around. However the reaction I got felt a little flat they almost seemed annoyed and not happy for me at all, i sensed a bit of eye rolling actually. So I just made sure I told them how hard we've had to work for all we have. I've not been boastful I don't feel and I still go out with them and organise social events for us all.

However since inviting the 3 friends to my new house, I haven't heard from 2 of them, despite contacting them. There was also a recent night out which I wasnt invited to, I always include them all when I arrange anything. I feel a bit upset really. I'm still the same person, just worked hard and done ok for myself, but I can't help but sense their annoyance or jealously I guess. Which I do understand, I know a couple of them really struggle to get by. I just thought they may be happy for me? Is that too much to ask though? How can I change the way I relate to them so that they can continue to like me and we can continue to be friends, despite us having a different quality of life?

OP posts:
Lostsoul231 · 08/01/2017 12:00

It's not the inviting old friends over to your new house that I think is the problem, it's the way in which you've done it.

Some people think that hard work is the key to everything. It's not. Good luck and circumstances play a big part too. You seem to have overlooked this op and maybe that's why your friends have taken offence.

Hissy · 08/01/2017 12:25

I am a lone parent, no family help, no ex help, in cripplingly high rental with abs zero chance of buying ever again

I wouldn't be offended to see a friend's house, I was given a tour only a month ago and was super pleased for her and her new house

When she had walls ripped out and the middle floor all done and it now looks amazing, I was delighted for her.

I will never ever be able to afford similar

My ex took every bean I had.

Why am I so pleased for my friend?

Because I'm a good friend, I'm not sad, nor bitter. I want the people I like/love to be happy. Even if I am unable to compete

It's not a competition, it's about being happy for each other when life is good.

The op HAS worked hard, she's entitled to be proud. Shame her friends are like some on here, sad and jealous.

And jealous is what it is. Resentful of the happiness/achievements of others.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 08/01/2017 12:29

It's not the inviting old friends over to your new house that I think is the problem, it's the way in which you've done it.

This ^^

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 12:41

This...
"KatieScarlett

Boasting is an unattractive quality.
People tend not to like it."

WicksEnd · 08/01/2017 13:06

God I love a nosey round peoples new houses!
When we moved into our current house, all my friends asked to have a look round when they came but I didn't offer it in case I looked like a twat, but if they ask to, it's different. It's a big house, they were nothing but pleased for me. Well, to my face at least!
I think the OP over compensated by going into the 'I've worked hard' as she thinks they assume it's all down to her DH , so was trying to set the record straight.
By saying you've worked hard, look what I've got!' You're maybe implying that they haven't/ you're a success, they're not. You've offended them. Maybe made them feel a bit shit about themselves?

Lonelyatxmas · 08/01/2017 14:03

Having read the full thread, I find I do agree with posters who think the OP sounds self congratulatory. Whether aware of it or not. Sounds like the message conveyed was "didn't I do well marrying a middle class man and living the middle class dream. You could do it too if you worked hard enough".

Lostsoul231 · 08/01/2017 14:40

It's not being jealous. It's just not wanting to hear the, "we've worked so hard" line when it is not just down to that in life.

I have family who live in very expensive houses, like over a million pounds. I'm happy for them. Their houses are amazing and their kids are very privileged. It's lovely to visit them.

They have worked hard and have got lucky too. I just don't like it when I hear people say about how hard they've worked for what they have. It's demeaning to those that work their asses off and still have very little to show for it.

oxosmoothie · 08/01/2017 16:02

Lostsoul: you're making am assumption that I don't think my friends have worked hard for what they have? At what point has this been stated or even implied?
I would say that you're hugely reading into things, as quite rightly pointed out by other posters, I was merely justifying myself and probably unnecessarily.
I find it disgusting of you actually to state outright "others who work twice as hard as you feel upset" you are basically saying that because I choose to "work" at home taking care of 2 young DCs 2 days a week instead of in an actual workplace I'm not working. It's disgraceful and offensive to SAHMs who also work just as hard on there many "days off" as I'm sure you would put it. Shocking.

OP posts:
oxosmoothie · 08/01/2017 16:05

You have also not read my comment which states how hard I worked in my 20s to pay for all we have now. Very shallow indeed.

OP posts:
Lostsoul231 · 08/01/2017 16:17

Then why are you on here?
You obviously know you've upset your friends with your comments or you wouldn't be posting on here about it

oxosmoothie · 08/01/2017 16:42

My questions are on my original thread, which explains quite clearly why I'm on here.
You've not answered my questions.
so why are YOU on here?

OP posts:
AllTheLight · 08/01/2017 16:47

I have to agree with the OP that working part time and looking after two young DC on the other days is NOT working "half as hard" as someone who works full time!

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 16:55

"Lonelyatxmas

Having read the full thread, I find I do agree with posters who think the OP sounds self congratulatory. Whether aware of it or not. Sounds like the message conveyed was "didn't I do well marrying a middle class man and living the middle class dream. You could do it too if you worked hard enough".
"

I didn't think the OP was middle class or had married someone who was. Does she say that? I imagined her in a new build type house.

Lonelyatxmas · 08/01/2017 16:59

DH comes from a more affluent background than myself

I read that to mean that he was middle classed compared to the OP

I guess it's because I came from a lower than average background that my friends probably feel discomfort.

Lostsoul231 · 08/01/2017 17:01

It is not implied by you asking friends over to your new house. That's completely normal. Some of my friends and family live in massive houses! I'm not in any way jealous.

It is implied however by the fact that your friends have not spoken to you since.

As to why I am on here, I am on here as you asked for people's opinion.

It appears however that you have your opinion and are not willing to listen to others'. In that case, I do not know why you have even posted.

"Working hard" is completely subjective in any event. Some would say working hard may be working part time and looking after two young children the other days and having a husband around to help when he's not at work.

Others may say that studying full time for three years for a university degree whilst still working part time as a lone parent of two young children is hard work.

It's all a matter of perspective really. Maybe your friends are working just as hard, if not harder than you and just don't like your attitude.

All I am saying is that you asked for people's opinions and you've received them. Just because you don't agree with those opinions does not make them any less valid.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:05

"BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted

Yes, it can be interpreted as showing off, inviting friends to your new house and "showing them round". I've never shown anyone round my home in my life."

Nor have I. Perhaps, though, this is an indicator that the OP is not as au fait with the behaviour of the middle class as she thinks she is? It is not about money.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:16

"LiviaDrusillaAugusta

No it's not an English expectation. In fact generally the English think it's a tad crass to talk about money!"

Erm... not just the English. Lol In other far flung corners of the UK, the middle class feel it is cringeworthy, too.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:27

"oxosmoothie

There's one thing disagreeing Drusilla and another being blatantly and persistently cruel, ridiculing and accusatory based on the small amount of information you've been given. As Gloria has pointed out, your over-investment in the thread plus your constant projections is quite telling of your own insecurities."

Don't be silly! Livia is making very pertinent points and she has every right to make them. Others agree with her. This "heavily invested" accusation is
one I have only encountered on Mumsnet and is clearly an attempt to unsettle other posters. Better to desist.

You accuse Livia of being "cruel" which is not only lame but rich coming from someone who has had a post removed by the mods! Hilarious.

Perhaps you should try another forum if you find people are mean to you here.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:30

Don't be silly! Livia is making very pertinent points and she has every right to make them. Others agree with her. This "heavily invested" accusation is one I have only encountered on Mumsnet and is clearly an attempt to unsettle other posters. Better to desist.

You accuse Livia of being "cruel" which is not only lame but rich coming from someone who has had a post removed by the mods! Hilarious.

Perhaps you should try another forum if you find people are mean to you here.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:35

"Cel982

No, Butterfingered, I don't think anyone gets excited about grouting hmm But it's not difficult to come up with a heartfelt "Ooh, I love the tiles in the bathroom" or "That's a great size back garden". Do you honestly find this weird? To my mind, showing them your house is part of giving a genuine welcome to close friends or family - it's saying that you're comfortable enough with them to let them see the less 'public' parts of your home."

It is a class thing, I think, which is why you don't get it.
Money can't buy it for you, rememberSmile

WeAllHaveWings · 08/01/2017 17:36

I had a friend who bought a lovely house in a naice new housing estate. Very pleased for her, got the grand tour (of all 5 toilets!), but eventually got fed up of hearing about her cream carpets which no one was allowed to walk on, amtico flooring, special mural in bedroom hand painted by artist, decor done by a home designer. It was ok the first time but then got boring and did sound smug. I honestly was not jealous.

The final nail in the coffin was hearing about Janet and John (not real names) who had moved into the same street who were millionaires on paper but really down to earth, just like really normal people Hmm, and their house and cars for the 3rd night out running. Got too boring so started avoiding her.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:36

Wow. Hasn't it gone quiet?

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:37

I dislike housing estates.

CaraAspen · 08/01/2017 17:38

I prefer ancient properties. Brag. Boast. Said smugly.Halo

Lonelyatxmas · 08/01/2017 17:46

Yes, it is a class thing. Nothing wrong with showing people round your home at all. But in upper class social settings, it is considered gauche.