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How do I make my narcissistic mother leave my flat?

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purplewild60 · 26/12/2016 16:40

Please help. I am a 30 year old daughter of a narcissistic mother who is probably so far on the spectrum she is knocking on the door of a full blown personality disorder with antisocial and OCD traits. She pushed me hard to achieve academic excellence, and I did it - got good grades, good university and graduated with a promising career ahead of me. Although to friends I was calm, collected and fun no one ever met my mother and behind the scenes she was a needy, selfish, paranoid control freak.

Cutting quite a long story short that would require several posts (and probably years of therapy), my mother has used many ways to control me e.g. making my rent a really expensive flat because she liked it, so I couldn’t save for my own place or to buy anything big without asking her for money. She made me give her my bank details, initially so she could “help me move money around” but basically was a way for her to check up on me. I opened another bank account in secret and when she found out she went mad, crying that I don’t trust her and that I must be doing something shady if I didn’t want her to see my outgoings! She also made a record of everything she ever spent on me and said that I needed to pay her back this sum after graduating. We agreed on an amount each month I would give her, even though she didn’t need the money but wanted to recoup her “investment”.

Things came to a head recently when I didn’t pick up her phone and she got annoyed so drew out £2000 from my bank account putting me into overdraft. It was the last straw so I cancelled all my bank accounts that she could access. She says she is entitled to any money I have because she bought me up, and it isn’t enough to pay back all the money I owe her anyhow. After this, I decided I needed to really start removing her hold on my life She has a key to my flat so I changed the locks. When I told her, she just laughed and said “I’ll get a locksmith or knock the door down, you can’t keep me out”. She also says she “helped me choose” this stupidly expensive flat and she has loads of stuff in there so she feels it is as much her flat as mine.

I stuck to my guns, and left the locks changed. I told her we shouldn’t spend Christmas together as things were so bad between us, it hurt so much to do this but she just wouldn’t accept it saying she had booked train tickets so was going to come anyway. I then got a call to say she was outside, had called a locksmith to come, and would deduct the cost of this from the money I owe (seriously?!). It’s all my fault for ruining her Christmas and she is going to make me pay. Luckily I had decided to move all my important stuff out of the flat and stay with friends over Christmas to avoid a confrontation.

I have gone over there in the night and can see the lights on in my flat, so she wasn't bluffing - this woman has illegally gotten into my flat and is staying in there against my will! She has probably changed the locks on me now! Despite very supportive close friends, this has been a dark cloud on my Christmas. After telling me she is inside my flat, I have had no contact with her, she didn’t even call on Christmas day.

I really don’t know what to do at this stage. I have no idea how long she will be in there for, or what she is doing in there. I think her plan is probably to wait me out, and make me beg to get inside my own flat. I have a lot of my things and a place to stay if I need it, but I can’t let her squat there forever. I am still paying the rent and responsible for any damage in the flat until my tenancy is up. I need to break the radio silence and call her up/go over there but I am petrifed of even seeing her right now. Some have told me the only resort is the police, but I have such a deep sense of shame about telling them this crazy drama, I’m also scared they won’t be able to help me, or that my mother will create a huge scene with all my neighbours watching.

If anyone has any kind of similar experience about getting rid of an unwanted person from your property, I would appreciate any advice. It’s especially difficult as she does a great old lady act, she knows I have a lot at stake and she has threatened to sit outside my building or my workplace telling everyone I'm a whore and a thief because I owe her money, and that I am willing to kick my own mother out of my place.

OP posts:
alfagirl73 · 01/01/2017 22:58

Wow, how horrendous! Good for you sticking to your guns though. If I were you I would ensure the locks are changed first and foremost... but look at moving. Explain to the landlord that you are being subject to harassment and need to move for your own personal safety. If they can find someone else to take over the tenancy they may be prepared to let you out of it early so you can move - and when you move - do NOT give her your new address.

Re the car: did she transfer actual ownership or just the registered keeper? Do you have a receipt for the car? Contact the DVLA and get information so you can challenge the transfer into her name - pursue her for the fraud.

I know she's your mother but after all this, if I were you, I would cut all contact. Change your numbers, block her, move house and do all you can to get a clean break. Change your bank accounts and for the love of god, stop paying her money! You don't owe her a penny! She has no legally enforceable contract with you by which you are required to pay her anything - so stop.

Good luck - let us know how you're getting on!

EggnoggAndMulledWine · 01/01/2017 23:01

Gosh I'm so sorry you are going through all this. What a horrible time. I'd be looking into a restraining order and it's possible your landlord, if you explain what's been happening and don't feel safe there. May let you end the tenancy agreement early if he can find someone else.

OneThingAndThenTheNext · 01/01/2017 23:01

OP, I'm so sorry to hear what you're going through. Do you have any RL support?

tribpot · 01/01/2017 23:02

I would want to alert all of your financial institutions that you have someone attempting to impersonate you, and that they should not process any changes of address, password changes, etc. that are done over the phone. If they can issue you with completely new credentials (username/password) so much the better - and any account you have that offers two step verification, i.e. where you have to provide a code from your phone as well, make sure that is switched on. It will prevent anyone from accessing the account from an unknown device.

I would change passwords frequently - I use LastPass to manage my passwords (again, it has two-step verification so I can only access it from trusted devices) and this will generate very long passwords if necessary.

You're renting - how quickly can you give notice on the flat?

There's some advice on what to do about identity fraud here at the Action Fraud UK website.

You do need some real life support, this is an insane situation to be in.

TwoLeftSocks · 01/01/2017 23:03

Goodness, that sounds a nightmare couple of days, so sorry its all got so bad. You did the right thing going to the police, keep doing the right thing and make sure you're safe.

bluebell34567 · 01/01/2017 23:04

2017 will definitely be a better year for you :)

toomuchtooold · 01/01/2017 23:05

So glad to hear she is out and you are back in. You're really brave. My mother has NPD so I know the score but your mother's behaviour is right up the extreme end.
Your mother's not lost the plot, she never had it in the first place. You've just seen her true colours now, when she's not feeding off of you.
Please don't feel ashamed. We don't get to choose our parents, it's not your fault your mother has a personality disorder. You're not her, you've done nothing to be ashamed of.

CatBallou2 · 01/01/2017 23:05

How awful for you. You've been very strong in dealing with your M and the upsetting drama of it all.

Would you be able to move to another property and keep your whereabouts from her? You def need time for yourself, away from your M. From the sounds of it, she needs help and should be assessed. Did the police have anything to say in this respect?

Good luck to you and here's hoping you have a peaceful 2017.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 01/01/2017 23:06

I'm betting she gave you all the weight of consequences for pushing back on her actions... over years and years and years.

It's a great way of letting someone's nicer nature act as their straight jacket and her enforcer. But in reality, she gave you all the terror of shame because it helped her keep you doing whatever she wanted, not because she feels the tiniest bit of shame herself. As she's just shown. I'm also betting (from experience and empathy, not from a know-it-all type of position), that she was SO SURE of her hold over you, and your fear of shame and 'being exposed', she couldn't imagine any line she could cross.

Hence her having a screaming tantrum at you daring to respond to her actions with anything approaching a strong and correct response. She probably couldn't believe this was actually happening, that you weren't falling on your knees to let her abuse you some more.

And when you've been allowed to be a foul and selfish despot and slave owner for decades... you tend to lose track of what societies rules actually are.

I'm thinking she completely lost it at being shown she's not an all powerful god who can manipulate and lie her way out of anything. I suspect that's been a bit of a shock. If she even believes what has just happened.

And thank God for that. Don't feel sorry for her. She stole your stuff even whilst the police were there! She's stolen your car!

She's a cruel and nasty woman. You don't have to be cruel back (you haven't been), and you don't have to have any revenge or punishment or anything like that.

All you have to do is to keep on the path you've started to make... step by step from under her abusive and cruel reign. Step by step into your own life, your own self, & your own future. Sorry if that sounds slightly like a greetings card, but it really is about stepping into all that wonderful-ness that's in you and in the world. And out from under all that weight and poison.

Flowers
theansweris42 · 01/01/2017 23:08

Great post miscellaneous

TwoLeftSocks · 01/01/2017 23:15

Have you got support from your friends?

MrsBertBibby · 01/01/2017 23:27

Good heavens, what a horrific experience, you poor sod. Please don't feel shame over it, you have done nothing shameful. She has.

So glad the police helped. I was worried they'd duck it.

Hope there are bail conditions to keep her away. If not, do consider a non molestation application. I can tell you how (solicitor)

Stay strong there.

Cherrysoup · 01/01/2017 23:37

Wow, well done, OP, you will eventually be really happy about this, although I understand you must be in shock currently, frankly. I'm astounded at your mum doing all the swaps of the car/locks etc. It really is batshit. I'd love to hear what the DVLA have to say about your car! Do you have spare keys? I think I'd move it, just in case she tries to take it.

EweAreHere · 01/01/2017 23:40

Oh how awful, OP. What a nightmare.

I'm glad you went to the police to help get her out. And I'm glad you pressed charges and have witnesses to how she behaved. Add car theft to the charges once you get that sorted out.

It won't be easy, but don't back down.

I hope 2017 brings you freedom from her chaos and bullying.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 01/01/2017 23:42

Dear god this is horrific.
I hope you've contacted the bank. Even though you gave her a password, I'm sure it's not legal to impersonate someone - you should find out.
I think you should let your landlord know what has happened.

Please cut her out. It's beyond cruel.

JustGettingStarted · 01/01/2017 23:43

Thank you for updating, op. I'm sorry you've gone through this.

I hope you can get your car back and keep her out of your financial affairs from now on.

confuugled1 · 01/01/2017 23:43

Sounds a horrendous experience that you've been amazingly strong to get through.

Just to add to the other suggestions already made - it would be worth signing up to all the credit agencies like Experian (and I can't remember the others) to check your credit and anything outstanding against your name. Just to make sure that that outrageous excuse of a mother hasn't tried to take out a load of credit in your name and address. I also think that you can put a note on them to say that you have been having problems with identity theft so that they should be extra careful in the future if anybody tries to do other stuff in your name...

trixymalixy · 01/01/2017 23:50

New year. New start. Stay strong. Thanks

Formerpigwrestler9 · 01/01/2017 23:53

this is all so shocking Purple I hope you can have some peace and calm in your life very soonFlowers

FannyCradock · 01/01/2017 23:59

Jesus Christ, what a fucking nightmare for you Flowers
I hope 2017 will be much better for you Wine

JuddNelsoninTheBreakfastClub · 02/01/2017 00:03

Goodness OP what an awful time you have had, horrendous. Just wanted to ask, do you have any other family for support. It sounds like she has mental health issues (probably a huge understatement but I'm no expert ) but she is obviously very devious too. Hope things get better for you Flowers

CalleighDoodle · 02/01/2017 00:03

How awful for you

PuellaEstCornelia · 02/01/2017 00:05

Stay strong, sweetie. You are so much in the right here. Don't let anyone make you think otherwise!!

JustSpeakSense · 02/01/2017 00:19

How horrendous for you. You are 100% in the right, you know that. Just stay strong and keep being firm and reasonable.

Some great advice upthread about identity theft.

Please open up to friends, colleagues and family about this, even if you feel ashamed and in shock, real life support will help you so much.

Stay strong 💪🏽

DistanceCall · 02/01/2017 00:25

Oh God, OP. So sorry that you had to go through that. Keep strong. Many people here are thinking about you and supporting you.

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