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How do I make my narcissistic mother leave my flat?

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purplewild60 · 26/12/2016 16:40

Please help. I am a 30 year old daughter of a narcissistic mother who is probably so far on the spectrum she is knocking on the door of a full blown personality disorder with antisocial and OCD traits. She pushed me hard to achieve academic excellence, and I did it - got good grades, good university and graduated with a promising career ahead of me. Although to friends I was calm, collected and fun no one ever met my mother and behind the scenes she was a needy, selfish, paranoid control freak.

Cutting quite a long story short that would require several posts (and probably years of therapy), my mother has used many ways to control me e.g. making my rent a really expensive flat because she liked it, so I couldn’t save for my own place or to buy anything big without asking her for money. She made me give her my bank details, initially so she could “help me move money around” but basically was a way for her to check up on me. I opened another bank account in secret and when she found out she went mad, crying that I don’t trust her and that I must be doing something shady if I didn’t want her to see my outgoings! She also made a record of everything she ever spent on me and said that I needed to pay her back this sum after graduating. We agreed on an amount each month I would give her, even though she didn’t need the money but wanted to recoup her “investment”.

Things came to a head recently when I didn’t pick up her phone and she got annoyed so drew out £2000 from my bank account putting me into overdraft. It was the last straw so I cancelled all my bank accounts that she could access. She says she is entitled to any money I have because she bought me up, and it isn’t enough to pay back all the money I owe her anyhow. After this, I decided I needed to really start removing her hold on my life She has a key to my flat so I changed the locks. When I told her, she just laughed and said “I’ll get a locksmith or knock the door down, you can’t keep me out”. She also says she “helped me choose” this stupidly expensive flat and she has loads of stuff in there so she feels it is as much her flat as mine.

I stuck to my guns, and left the locks changed. I told her we shouldn’t spend Christmas together as things were so bad between us, it hurt so much to do this but she just wouldn’t accept it saying she had booked train tickets so was going to come anyway. I then got a call to say she was outside, had called a locksmith to come, and would deduct the cost of this from the money I owe (seriously?!). It’s all my fault for ruining her Christmas and she is going to make me pay. Luckily I had decided to move all my important stuff out of the flat and stay with friends over Christmas to avoid a confrontation.

I have gone over there in the night and can see the lights on in my flat, so she wasn't bluffing - this woman has illegally gotten into my flat and is staying in there against my will! She has probably changed the locks on me now! Despite very supportive close friends, this has been a dark cloud on my Christmas. After telling me she is inside my flat, I have had no contact with her, she didn’t even call on Christmas day.

I really don’t know what to do at this stage. I have no idea how long she will be in there for, or what she is doing in there. I think her plan is probably to wait me out, and make me beg to get inside my own flat. I have a lot of my things and a place to stay if I need it, but I can’t let her squat there forever. I am still paying the rent and responsible for any damage in the flat until my tenancy is up. I need to break the radio silence and call her up/go over there but I am petrifed of even seeing her right now. Some have told me the only resort is the police, but I have such a deep sense of shame about telling them this crazy drama, I’m also scared they won’t be able to help me, or that my mother will create a huge scene with all my neighbours watching.

If anyone has any kind of similar experience about getting rid of an unwanted person from your property, I would appreciate any advice. It’s especially difficult as she does a great old lady act, she knows I have a lot at stake and she has threatened to sit outside my building or my workplace telling everyone I'm a whore and a thief because I owe her money, and that I am willing to kick my own mother out of my place.

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Rainbowqueeen · 28/12/2016 08:33

Good luck OP

Please seek some therapy for yourself. Years of conditioning are hard to change. You sound like a loving and kind daughter that any mother would be proud of. Please seek help to realise the issue is entirely with her and not you

Spadequeen · 28/12/2016 08:43

Good luck. As other have said, you owe her nothing, change everything you are able to, let people know what's going on, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Mix56 · 28/12/2016 09:18

I would get the police to go round to remove her with you, particularly as you don't know if she has removed, or damaged anything inside. If she has, they can take it from there, & it will prove to the landlord that there was breaking & entering/squatting, & insurance will cover any major costs.

fakenamefornow · 28/12/2016 09:25

OP, don't call the police, go down to the station sit down and tell them your story. I'm sure it will be really difficult for you and I expect you'll cry all over them, they will be used to this though so please don't worry. Don't take keyboard warrior legal or mental health advice on here, go to the police station, tell them everything, including the money taken from your bank account.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/controlling_or_coercive_behaviour/

www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/reports/news/a31487/what-is-coercive-control/

LeninaCrowne · 28/12/2016 09:30

Are there meter boxes on the outside of the building or in a communal area? Can you turn off the electricity/gas to the flat? Turn off the water supply?

If she's in the dark with no heating and water she may go home.

DistanceCall · 28/12/2016 09:33

Even if she leaves, she's going to try and steal things from your home. Please call the police as soon as possible.

LeninaCrowne · 28/12/2016 09:36

I agree with distance, she may steal you passport/exam certificates/ banking details/utility bills etc and be able pull this stunt over and over again.

You need to get the police involved with this ASAP.

Gingernaut · 28/12/2016 09:38

Sent my mother a message to warn her I would be calling the police if she didn't leave.

No, sweetheart. You owe her no prior warning.

Never tell someone what you might do/could do/will do if something doesn't happen, just do it.

She's trespassing, doing God knows what to your belongings and more than likely draining your bank accounts.

Now, darling. You need to call the police/call into the police station now.

WatchingFromTheWings · 28/12/2016 09:38

Would getting the gas/elec/water switched off be an option? Though I'd perhaps be concerned that she'd open new accounts in her name....

mysistersimone · 28/12/2016 11:05

Best of luck with everything Flowers

CalmItKermitt · 28/12/2016 11:19

Omg she's insane.

You owe her NOTHING.

Good luck.

toptoe · 28/12/2016 11:36

Once she is out one way or another....

Abusive people are their own responsibility. Yes she may have a personality disorder like psycopathy or something else. But that is her responsibility to deal with.

You have only one recourse after she is out: no contact and a restraining order is probably necessary. Also, speak to your employer because it is possible she will actually carry out her threat of harassment at work, even if she just calls you at work. You will need to involve the police from now on. It is the only language people who harass and steal and abuse to this extent understand. And move. And never ever give her any details for you. No matter what little tricks she pulls.

You did not ask to have this mother. You deserved one who was loving and kind. She has used you and use is abuse. Telling you to pay her back is another way of her using you.

You're very strong and that is what has probably saved you from a complete mental breakdown. You have weathered all of the abuse and are still standing. That makes you a pretty amazing person.

flumpybear · 29/12/2016 09:35

Any update OP?!

springydaffs · 30/12/2016 00:27

OP decidedly signed off quite a while ago upthread.

purplewild60 · 01/01/2017 22:38

Update: I went to the police station on 30/12/16. The officer I spoke to said we should just go over there together and see if she was still at the flat, and if so he would ask her to leave.

Horrendous couple of hours, tears, blame, hysteria, screaming, calling me a prostitute. Most shameful, terrifying time of my life. Watched her go around my flat packing things she claimed to be hers then escorted out of the front door, only to come straight back up crying to the policeman because she said she forgot something inside. In the end, 6 police officers called to scene and she got herself arrested for trying to smash door down to get back inside after police escorted her out.

She spent 24hrs in police custody, denied everything, took my car keys and somehow had got the name switched over to her weeks ago so police wouldn't give them back to me. I decided to press charges for illegal entry and she's been released with a bail hearing in a few months. I ended up paying for a taxi to take her, all her/my stuff (I don't want it anyway) back to hers on New Year's eve because I wasn't sure she would get a train that day and would come back to my flat. Then spent rest of NYE tidying up my flat, crying and trying to suppress the dark clouds threatening to swallow me up.

Happy New Year all. I really hope 2017 is better than this.

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gamerchick · 01/01/2017 22:43

Ah I'm so sorry OP, she does sound like mega hard work but it will still be hard because she's your mother. The one person you would never think would get arrested for being so out of order Flowers

I am glad you're back in your flat.. please say she's locked out of all of your financial business and you'll look to move at some point?

MrsMoastyToasty · 01/01/2017 22:43

Surely she has committed fraud in transferring the ownership of the car into her name without your permission.

AngryVagina · 01/01/2017 22:45

Wowwww. Well done you OP, that must have been so hard to go through. You must be able to get your car back, she's done that illegally too. Good luck for the upcoming hearing Flowers

theansweris42 · 01/01/2017 22:46

Oh OP.
Is it possible for you to look on all this as progress? You're in, she's out.
More of the psychological binds have been loosened - must've been so hard though.
Flowers for you

mirokarikovo · 01/01/2017 22:47

God almighty.

2017 will be better. Keep strong. Change the locks. Ask your landlord if they can help at all. If they have another property on the market they may be amenable to you moving to that property for the rest of your contract so that the madwoman doesn't know where you are?

fc301 · 01/01/2017 22:47

Sorry to hear that OP. Good that you've documented all her craziness here. Never ever doubt yourself ... she's as mad as a box of frogs.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/01/2017 22:48

Well done OP, I can't imagine how tough this all is.

Yes, the car thing is a massive fraud, and one to take to the police when you're ready.

Do you have real life support through all this?

purplewild60 · 01/01/2017 22:50

Despite everything that's happened between us, I was astounded at how much disregard she had for the police, that she could create such a scene like that and actually get arrested. Didn't sleep for the 24hrs she was in custody, trying to work out what to do. Then the next day her ordeal didn't seem to have taught her any remorse and she refused to admit any blame to police. She has lost the plot and I am just trying to keep myself sane during this whole process.

Financially, she is locked out now and I am calling DVLA as soon as they open to ask what happened with my car as I still have the original keeper documents so how the hell did she change the name?!

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ChuckSnowballs · 01/01/2017 22:56

Bloody hell. I've been worried out you all over the holidays. Flowers

ChanandlerBongsNeighbour · 01/01/2017 22:56

2017 absolutely will be better! You have made a tremendous first step and her instability is now in the public domain and recorded officially! I don't know how these things work but surely there must be a way to get your car back! Stay strong OP you can do it! Onwards and upwards!