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How do I make my narcissistic mother leave my flat?

318 replies

purplewild60 · 26/12/2016 16:40

Please help. I am a 30 year old daughter of a narcissistic mother who is probably so far on the spectrum she is knocking on the door of a full blown personality disorder with antisocial and OCD traits. She pushed me hard to achieve academic excellence, and I did it - got good grades, good university and graduated with a promising career ahead of me. Although to friends I was calm, collected and fun no one ever met my mother and behind the scenes she was a needy, selfish, paranoid control freak.

Cutting quite a long story short that would require several posts (and probably years of therapy), my mother has used many ways to control me e.g. making my rent a really expensive flat because she liked it, so I couldn’t save for my own place or to buy anything big without asking her for money. She made me give her my bank details, initially so she could “help me move money around” but basically was a way for her to check up on me. I opened another bank account in secret and when she found out she went mad, crying that I don’t trust her and that I must be doing something shady if I didn’t want her to see my outgoings! She also made a record of everything she ever spent on me and said that I needed to pay her back this sum after graduating. We agreed on an amount each month I would give her, even though she didn’t need the money but wanted to recoup her “investment”.

Things came to a head recently when I didn’t pick up her phone and she got annoyed so drew out £2000 from my bank account putting me into overdraft. It was the last straw so I cancelled all my bank accounts that she could access. She says she is entitled to any money I have because she bought me up, and it isn’t enough to pay back all the money I owe her anyhow. After this, I decided I needed to really start removing her hold on my life She has a key to my flat so I changed the locks. When I told her, she just laughed and said “I’ll get a locksmith or knock the door down, you can’t keep me out”. She also says she “helped me choose” this stupidly expensive flat and she has loads of stuff in there so she feels it is as much her flat as mine.

I stuck to my guns, and left the locks changed. I told her we shouldn’t spend Christmas together as things were so bad between us, it hurt so much to do this but she just wouldn’t accept it saying she had booked train tickets so was going to come anyway. I then got a call to say she was outside, had called a locksmith to come, and would deduct the cost of this from the money I owe (seriously?!). It’s all my fault for ruining her Christmas and she is going to make me pay. Luckily I had decided to move all my important stuff out of the flat and stay with friends over Christmas to avoid a confrontation.

I have gone over there in the night and can see the lights on in my flat, so she wasn't bluffing - this woman has illegally gotten into my flat and is staying in there against my will! She has probably changed the locks on me now! Despite very supportive close friends, this has been a dark cloud on my Christmas. After telling me she is inside my flat, I have had no contact with her, she didn’t even call on Christmas day.

I really don’t know what to do at this stage. I have no idea how long she will be in there for, or what she is doing in there. I think her plan is probably to wait me out, and make me beg to get inside my own flat. I have a lot of my things and a place to stay if I need it, but I can’t let her squat there forever. I am still paying the rent and responsible for any damage in the flat until my tenancy is up. I need to break the radio silence and call her up/go over there but I am petrifed of even seeing her right now. Some have told me the only resort is the police, but I have such a deep sense of shame about telling them this crazy drama, I’m also scared they won’t be able to help me, or that my mother will create a huge scene with all my neighbours watching.

If anyone has any kind of similar experience about getting rid of an unwanted person from your property, I would appreciate any advice. It’s especially difficult as she does a great old lady act, she knows I have a lot at stake and she has threatened to sit outside my building or my workplace telling everyone I'm a whore and a thief because I owe her money, and that I am willing to kick my own mother out of my place.

OP posts:
Formerpigwrestler9 · 02/01/2017 00:28

I agree with Miscellaneous
(but I also think your mother sounds as mad as a box of frogs)

Formerpigwrestler9 · 02/01/2017 00:42

taking possession of your home like that...your place of safety, it seems like an attempt to negate your existence as in independent person

Planetarymagic1 · 02/01/2017 00:58

Bloody hell's fire!

Clearly she has lost her shit entirely, but it's almist like she cant see where she ends and you begin! That is very, very scary.

Planetarymagic1 · 02/01/2017 01:01

As formerpugwrestler says, you are being negated. I wonder does she justify taking your money because really it is hers in her head? And therefore in her bent brain, she hasnt actually stolen your car, because what is yours, is hers. What is YOU is actually, HER.

Keep yourself safe OP.

DistanceCall · 02/01/2017 01:06

I would also say, get therapy, OP. I think you'll find it really useful. You need to disentangle years and years of emotional abuse.

GlitteryFluff · 02/01/2017 01:16

How awful Flowers

AnaMaleka · 02/01/2017 09:11

I think you're amazing for going to the police! Totally amazing. I thought you wouldn't do it in fact, but that you "should".

As someone with a similar, but less extreme mother (who I'm now NC with) this meeting with the police, the tears and the rage, the stealing things is actually a strange form of (and very upsetting) gift, because these people often make you feel like you're in the wrong. That something's wrong with you. That nobody will believe you, because they have a good point etc. And she got ARRESTED with SIX officers needing to be there! You did absolutely brilliantly to go to them and I imagine it was pretty hard. It's usually near impossible to get any sort of "evidence" about people like this and you've got it.

I'm not saying it's all ok, or isn't profoundly disturbing and deeply upsetting, but keep hold of the concrete part of this, because it will see you straight when you begin to doubt yourself.

Left · 02/01/2017 09:17

Ah OP, I'm so glad to hear she's out of your flat now, I was wondering what had happened. Well done for taking that step. Just wondered if you've looked into additional car security as she's got your keys (I know you've got a fair bit on your plate so just wanted to flag it in case you'd not thought of it). Hope 2017 is a lot calmer for you.

RandomMess · 02/01/2017 10:03

She really has shown you just how extreme her condition is whether it is narcissism or psychopath (sounds very similar to MIL, she knew what she was doing but believed she was entitled to do as she liked).

For your own sanity you need to cut ties and I would look into whether you can get a restraining order with power of arrest based on her behaviour.

My exDH spent his life trying to have some sort relationship with his Mum, only was told of her diagnosis when she was sectioned a few months before she died. The relief and final peace once she's gone!

SenseiWoo · 02/01/2017 10:14

Look, I recognise it was horrible for you to go through, but what happened is ultimately a good thing. Your mother has shown you and umpteen police officers how dreadfully unreasonable, bizarre and unpleasant she really is. It isn't you, it's her, and now a lot of other people know that too.

The process of sorting things out will be pretty awful, but with each move she loses power and credibility and you gain freedom.

All that said, I am so sorry your mother is so horrible and has blighted your life like this. take your time to grieve it once the emergency is over, and visit the Stately homes thread whenever you need help.

forumdonkey · 02/01/2017 10:18

I'm so glad she acted up in front of the police for your sake. You can stand back and objectively see that she is completely unreasonable and you are completely right in all your actions and cutting contact. Her erratic and completely unreasonable behaviour has been witnessed first hand by the police and they have acted accordingly and rightly so.

Stay strong, while ever she knows where you live I doubt this will be the end of her behaviour with you but there isn't anyone here who thinks that NC isn't the right thing to do. You sound lovely and don't deserve any of this shit.

StarsandSparkles · 02/01/2017 10:22

Jesus your mother sounds horrendous im sorry you had to go through so much hurt with her

hollyisalovelyname · 02/01/2017 10:34

Do you have siblings?
Are you in contact with your father?
Have you any family support?
Have you a supportive partner?
That's some experience to have to go through.
Keep strong and I hope you have support in your life.

springydaffs · 02/01/2017 10:43

She's a cruel and nasty woman

I can't agree she is a cruel and nasty woman. Her BEHAVIOUR is cruel and nasty but she is very, very sick.

I don't mean to encourage you to feel sorry for her - you can't afford that, you've been schooled in the twisted poison that is her behaviour. But her behaviour isn't intentional imo.

Whatever mental illness(s) /personality disorder(s) she has she is riven with it. The one to feel sorry for is you. You'll probably need heavy duty (ie long term) professional input to address the significant damage her focused abuse has had on you.

But you are steady and strong - what a blessing. Well done for taking appropriate action when forced into a corner. It can't have been easy Flowers

ptumbi · 02/01/2017 10:51

OP I hope you can move, soon and far!

Definitely give notice on the flat and when you move, FGS never ever give her the address! Go NC as soon as you can, and don't look back. DO NOT feel sorry for her - she may be very very sick, but you cannot cure her. She needs to want to do that herself, and until she realises that she has a problem, she will never get help. Or accept it.

There is nothing you can do for her.

pklme · 02/01/2017 10:54

Bless you purple! What a horror. Hope you find some answers soon. Can you get a friend to hand hold while you get everything sorted? You need a bit of tlc I think.

Meemolly · 02/01/2017 11:17

Crikey, how have you turned out so level-headed? I feel slightly in awe of you as I have read this post. I would second getting some therapy but I feel like overall you have a stable grounding which will keep you plodding on, but imagine what you could achieve if you could let that controlling stuff go?

thisismyYuleTimenickname · 02/01/2017 11:33

Wow that's horrible. She is raging because she is losing control over you. Glad the police saw it and took it seriously.
You're amazing purple.

purplewild60 · 02/01/2017 11:34

Thank you for all the comments. I am overwhelmed by how much strength you have given me. I thought all my self-esteem had been eroded away and strong was the last word I would use to describe myself.

In RL, the only people who know about the whole thing are my dad (we were estranged until recently) and my SO. Both of them are helping where they can but it's tough as both are also embroiled in the mess and I feel guilty leaning on either of them too much in case they break.

Have never told anyone else about it, and although I have close friends none of them could ever imagine this has been my life when I have hidden it so well for so long. It makes me sick just thinking about telling the story from the start to anyone who knows me. I've got to start work tomorrow and barely holding it together. As per previous posts, she may end up harassing me at work so currently tormenting myself over whether to have a private word with my boss and tell him the bare minimum.

Once I can get my finances under control (just paid another couple of hundred to get locks changed again and for the taxi to take her home) I will seek some professional help. The only person I want to tell this to, is someone who I can build a rapport with, who has qualifications and who is bound by confidentiality. If anyone knows a good place to start looking please let me know.

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MrsBertBibby · 02/01/2017 11:38

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blueskyinmarch · 02/01/2017 11:39

Well done Purple. You have done the right thing as hard as it was. Your DM has shown her true colours in front of the police and they took you seriously. Hopefully things will get better for you and you can disengage from this deranged woman.

forumdonkey · 02/01/2017 11:43

This isn't your shame purple and in RL you will get the same reaction as you have on here. Please speak out in RL, especially at work, let them know so at least you will be protected by them, should she start there. If she starts again, police, police,police every single time. You really sound like a lovely and level headed lady, she is no reflection on you. We can pick our friends but not our relatives.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 02/01/2017 11:44

I think you should tell your boss about the harassment. Do you have an extension number? Can you ask for it to be changed? Can reception be alerted to tell them not to transfer any calls without announcing the caller first?

I know you're really anxious about telling any friends but I can't see how anyone wouldn't be 100% supportive of you. Is your worry that they will say how you're wrong and your mum is just being friendly or something? If my friend told me about this I would be falling over myself to support her and help her.

Katisha · 02/01/2017 11:51

Ages ago we had a narc attached to our family making life hellish for all. One of the ways they used to control my relative was to threaten to ring up my workplace and tell them that I was an evil person and so on ( I was the one who used to confront them). After a particular crisis point I went to my manager and gave them an indication of the situation and said you may or may not get some strange calls about me. No fuss was made - they took it on board. I don't think any calls were ever received in the end but it did remove that particular line of control from them as now it was exposed as such. So I think it would be wise to tell your workplace and just give them an inkling of the situation.

rainbowstardrops · 02/01/2017 11:52

Bloody hell purple!!! Your mother clearly is deranged but at least you can now distance yourself from her once and for all. My heart goes out to you.
I think you should maybe tell your boss/landlord etc the bare minimum just in case she tries to pull another fast one.
Best wishes for 2017 Flowers

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