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How do I make my narcissistic mother leave my flat?

318 replies

purplewild60 · 26/12/2016 16:40

Please help. I am a 30 year old daughter of a narcissistic mother who is probably so far on the spectrum she is knocking on the door of a full blown personality disorder with antisocial and OCD traits. She pushed me hard to achieve academic excellence, and I did it - got good grades, good university and graduated with a promising career ahead of me. Although to friends I was calm, collected and fun no one ever met my mother and behind the scenes she was a needy, selfish, paranoid control freak.

Cutting quite a long story short that would require several posts (and probably years of therapy), my mother has used many ways to control me e.g. making my rent a really expensive flat because she liked it, so I couldn’t save for my own place or to buy anything big without asking her for money. She made me give her my bank details, initially so she could “help me move money around” but basically was a way for her to check up on me. I opened another bank account in secret and when she found out she went mad, crying that I don’t trust her and that I must be doing something shady if I didn’t want her to see my outgoings! She also made a record of everything she ever spent on me and said that I needed to pay her back this sum after graduating. We agreed on an amount each month I would give her, even though she didn’t need the money but wanted to recoup her “investment”.

Things came to a head recently when I didn’t pick up her phone and she got annoyed so drew out £2000 from my bank account putting me into overdraft. It was the last straw so I cancelled all my bank accounts that she could access. She says she is entitled to any money I have because she bought me up, and it isn’t enough to pay back all the money I owe her anyhow. After this, I decided I needed to really start removing her hold on my life She has a key to my flat so I changed the locks. When I told her, she just laughed and said “I’ll get a locksmith or knock the door down, you can’t keep me out”. She also says she “helped me choose” this stupidly expensive flat and she has loads of stuff in there so she feels it is as much her flat as mine.

I stuck to my guns, and left the locks changed. I told her we shouldn’t spend Christmas together as things were so bad between us, it hurt so much to do this but she just wouldn’t accept it saying she had booked train tickets so was going to come anyway. I then got a call to say she was outside, had called a locksmith to come, and would deduct the cost of this from the money I owe (seriously?!). It’s all my fault for ruining her Christmas and she is going to make me pay. Luckily I had decided to move all my important stuff out of the flat and stay with friends over Christmas to avoid a confrontation.

I have gone over there in the night and can see the lights on in my flat, so she wasn't bluffing - this woman has illegally gotten into my flat and is staying in there against my will! She has probably changed the locks on me now! Despite very supportive close friends, this has been a dark cloud on my Christmas. After telling me she is inside my flat, I have had no contact with her, she didn’t even call on Christmas day.

I really don’t know what to do at this stage. I have no idea how long she will be in there for, or what she is doing in there. I think her plan is probably to wait me out, and make me beg to get inside my own flat. I have a lot of my things and a place to stay if I need it, but I can’t let her squat there forever. I am still paying the rent and responsible for any damage in the flat until my tenancy is up. I need to break the radio silence and call her up/go over there but I am petrifed of even seeing her right now. Some have told me the only resort is the police, but I have such a deep sense of shame about telling them this crazy drama, I’m also scared they won’t be able to help me, or that my mother will create a huge scene with all my neighbours watching.

If anyone has any kind of similar experience about getting rid of an unwanted person from your property, I would appreciate any advice. It’s especially difficult as she does a great old lady act, she knows I have a lot at stake and she has threatened to sit outside my building or my workplace telling everyone I'm a whore and a thief because I owe her money, and that I am willing to kick my own mother out of my place.

OP posts:
frieda909 · 27/12/2016 11:25

This is awful. Do you have friends who can accompany you over to the flat to see what the situation is? I know you say you're scared to let them know about your relationship with your mother, but I promise that once you start telling people it will really help you to see once and for all how fucked up it all is. Posting here was a huge first step. Keep going!

Please don't call her to get some info about 'what she's thinking'. That's just playing right into her hands. You don't owe her anything and shouldn't put up with this for a minute longer. She is acting illegally and needs to be stopped right now. You need to tell the police that she has broken into your house with the help of a shady locksmith, and let them take it from there! I know it's easy for me to say and so much harder for you to do, but I really do wish you the best of luck.

And just to back up what other posters have said, you do NOT have to pay your mother back the cost of raising you! Many people choose to help out their parents financially later in life because they want to, and because they're in a position to be able to do so, but that is VERY different to laying down a monthly payment scheme and allowing your mother to help herself to your bank account. Your mother may have confused and manipulated you into believing that this is a normal state of affairs, but I promise you 100% that it is not!

MrsBlennerhassett · 27/12/2016 11:27

OMG this is awful ring the police!!! Ive actually never heard anything so fucked up in my life! Ring the police and go NC. Flowers

blueskyinmarch · 27/12/2016 11:33

This sounds awful. Where are you staying at the moment? I have maybe missed where you said that. I would certainly call the police and find out what you can do. I would also second telling your landlord. He may be able to help seeing as your mother is staying in your flat without your authority. Good luck.

MrsBlennerhassett · 27/12/2016 11:33

you should also report her to the police and your bank for stealing your money. They will not think its okay for her to take your money because she is related to you, its illegal, she has stolen from you!!

blueskyinmarch · 27/12/2016 11:35

Sorry - i re-ead your post and see you are with friends over Christmas.

trickycat · 27/12/2016 11:41

How much have you been paying her a month? You don't have to answer that. I hope you get her out, and out of your life. She sounds dysfunctional and delusional.

DistanceCall · 27/12/2016 11:49

OP, seriously. This woman is dangerous. Don't try to gauge her state of mind. Don't try to reason with her. You owe her nothing, and she is stealing from you.

Call the police NOW.

TwoLeftSocks · 27/12/2016 11:53

If you've been a good tenant for several years then I should think your landlord should hopefully be sympathetic and help out, just be honest, it's not your fault things have got so messed up. You'll have to give him a new key to the flat anyway, it's probably in your tenancy contract somewhere. And what's the worst he can do, give you a months notice to leave? That would be quite a good thing in my book.

MrsBertBibby · 27/12/2016 11:59

Here's an overview of the law on squatting

www.gov.uk/squatting-law/overview

No High Court action needed.

Although given it's your mother (ffs!) It may be easier to apply for a non molestation order, including as an act of molestation being anywhere near your home.

First step, go there, try the locks. Then turn up with a locksmith, see if you can get her out, then call the police. If she's still stuck fast, get to court.

rainbowstardrops · 27/12/2016 12:00

She sounds totally deranged and quite scary if I'm honest.
I'm with everyone else saying ring the police. See what they say. I'd also ring your landlord and explain what's happened. It's not like it's your fault.
Ultimately, I'd have to cut all ties with her. You'd be forever wondering what she's going to do next.
Good luck

MrsBertBibby · 27/12/2016 12:00

Using the utilities in your house is also theft, btw.

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 12:05

I don't think there is a particularly quick answer to this- I would be hoping I had the kind of landlord who'd take a few huge mates round and scare the shit out of her but that's not going to work if it's managed by an estate agent or someone. Also, people may not be around over Xmas. I think I would call 101 for advice as to the immediate steps with the longer term view of a restraining order. The technicalities of squatting, theft of electricity etc are really neither here nor there because you need to find something which which can realistically be enforced to use against her to win this.

Slightly aside but the locksmith thing- if I was locked out I wouldn't have anything on me to prove I owned the house so not sure their checks can be that robust?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 27/12/2016 12:30

I have my driving licence (card) in my purse which has our home address on it. I would have thought that it's a relatively common form of ID to have on you.

Gingernaut · 27/12/2016 12:33

Call your bank. Tell them you've lost your cards. You need to freeze your accounts until you can show up in person with ID.

How are you for money? Shock

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 12:41

I can think of a million reasons why you wouldn't have that at all, or on you at the time you get locked out though.

exWifebeginsat40 · 27/12/2016 12:43

chocolatecakeandsprinkles no the mother doesn't sound like she has 'serious' BPD.

BPD is not a fancy word for awful behaviour. please think before saying things like that - would you say her mother sounds like a nutter otherwise? it's still a slur.

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 12:48

I agree with ex wife. Neither can you "get" someone sectioned for behaving like a cunt. Thank goodness, the criteria is far more serious than that.

TataEs · 27/12/2016 13:20

of course u can't get someone sectioned for narcissistic controlling behaviour, but the mother clearly needs so professional help to understand that demanding this level of control, to the extend of breaking and entering, is completely unacceptable, and actually no normal person would do it.
and there's no better time to push for that for her than when she's actively caught in the act of occupying a flat that does not belong to her. she's committed fraud, calling the bank and impersonating someone else to with draw money is a criminal offence. the op believes the mother feels justified in breaking the law to exert control over another human being. i think she needs help.
it's not spiteful or nasty to try and get someone the help they need.
on top of that the OP needs to protect herself, she's had money stolen from her and currently has an intruder living in her home, causing her mental anguish. it's a horrible situation, one that will not be resolved by changing some passwords and waiting her out.

skimpy1983 · 27/12/2016 13:37

Call the police, explain everything. They will perhaps arrive with the ability to have her sectioned. I feel so sorry for you. I too have a narcissistic mother, but was brought up in an emotional vacuum, like, I was popped out, and her work was done then. Have spent huge chunks of my life bei ignored, and wondering what's wrong with me when my mother doesn't love me. Can only imagine what your situation is like. Be strong, your mother is deranged, and has gone too far. Needs serious professional help

skimpy1983 · 27/12/2016 13:40

Did the locksmith not request any identification?! Utterly ridiculous. Make sure you pursue an apology from them too!

Pollyanna9 · 27/12/2016 13:53

I think who owns the place/who's on the lease/whether it was breaking and entering or gaining unlawful entry (no idea!!) isn't the most relevant thing for the OPs current situation she's dealing with now.

Right now the mother is harrassing and intimidating her and that is against the law. That would get her removed as we know removal is regardless of any of that - whether you own the house or not if a woman calls the police because her husband's been hitting her, the police don't care who owns the house.

I'm sure if OP says 'we are on the lease together but it is MY home; however she has gained entry by changing the locks (thus preventing me from entering my home). She is continually harrassing, bullying and intimidating me including removing money from my bank accounts, doing what she's just done now, and other harrassment and intimidation on an ongoing basis. I would like her removed for my own safety and security as I am actually scared to be in the house with her - she is behaving extremely oddly and passive aggressively'.

PinkSwimGoggles · 27/12/2016 13:54

Did the locksmith not request any identification?!

very believable. when we needed one no questions were asked and no id required...

wrt to changed locks, just inform the landlord and make a copy of the keys (after you changed them again) available.

CockacidalManiac · 27/12/2016 14:25

BPD is not a fancy word for awful behaviour. please think before saying things like that - would you say her mother sounds like a nutter otherwise? it's still a slur.

I second this

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 14:26

God do people understand what sectioning is for? There is NO WAY this woman will be close to sectioning from the info from the OP

TheSilveryPussycat · 27/12/2016 14:31

I am not so sure Wolve, she could be eg delusional because hypomanic. Assessment for use of MH Act powers might well be the way to go, accessed via police, perhaps?