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Post separation xmas survival thread?

236 replies

Bitlessbahhumbug · 23/12/2016 09:27

First Christmas separated, my ex is being very lovely (better than him being horrible I know) and every time I see him or talk to him to sort out dc presents etc I still go through doubts about having left. My brain is starting to function better and catches up fairly fast these days to remind me of the shit!

Therapy is helping with a lot.
I'm currently looking for motivational/pull yourself together/move on type things to read or listen to, to survive the holidays and not make any stupid decisions. Smile

Anyway, does anybody want a space to vent or just fill time on some of the lonelier days? I'm feeling quite good at the moment but I'm often up and down.

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Bitlessbahhumbug · 26/12/2016 09:45

Oh no! What a terrible autocorrect!!! So sorry. Blush

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MaryChalloner · 26/12/2016 10:47

I've been for a run in the sunshine which was lovely.

My dcs go to their dad's on the 28th (he didn't want them any earlier Hmm) and I'm dreading it - they'll be gone until the 1st I think.

I was planning on spending that time with my boyfriend (now ex) so will be on my own. Really need to either work out how not to be sad and lonely on those days or find someone's house to go to.

peppatax · 26/12/2016 10:54

Dragged myself out for a run too Mary! It's a lovely day so was a nice distraction. Listened to some George Michael too!

Boundaries · 26/12/2016 11:55

Argh. I totally meant to run. But got involved with cups of tea and a book.

George Michael Sad

TheTapir · 26/12/2016 12:12

Another one that managed a run this morning but not far and very slow. I do feel better for it though.

I really need to clean the house this afternoon as my brother is bringing his little girl over tomorrow to meet my guinea pigs. That should keep me occupied for a bit and I have lots of recorded stuff to watch.

I never thought I'd say it but I kind of wish I was at work this week.

peppatax · 26/12/2016 12:24

I know that feeling TheTapir - I think it might help me to get my laptop tomorrow and look through some work things to get thinking ahead to next week

faffalotty · 26/12/2016 12:45

Bitless - don't worry about it. It made me laugh.

So my STBXH decided last minute that the DCs (teens) aren't staying at his. He'll bring them back later. No idea why. I've got decorating stuff out everywhere as I thought I'd have the place to myself for a couple of days.

I'll be glad to see them but annoyed that he couldn't have told me sooner.

I don't think the DCs are concerned, but they wouldn't say anyhow. If I was in their position I'd feel pretty shit if I was going to see one parent and they decided to bring me back earlier than planned.

Ratbagcatbag · 26/12/2016 12:50

Can I check in? I told dh just over a week ago it's over. Crap timing on my behalf but a culmination of things. We're currently still in the same house as its early days but I need to get the house valued etc.

I need to remind myself why I'm doing this as its very easy to get drawn back into the family set up. He's not awful, but just low level comments over the years that have taken their toll. I told him 12 months ago I was unhappy with his comments, he carried on until one day I realised I love him as our dd dad (she's 4 in march) and a friend but all feelings as a couple are gone. He's devastated and has promised the earth. But it's too late for me. Just bloody scary the steps I need to take now. :(

peppatax · 26/12/2016 12:54

Sounds familiar Ratbag - was in same situation when my DD was 4 and now 2 years down the line, she's happy and settled with the new co-parenting arrangement and her Dad and I get on better than when we were together.

Have you had a nice Christmas at least? What's your NY plan for separation?

Ratbagcatbag · 26/12/2016 13:07

My dh will step up for 50/50 so we are looking at her staying 3 nights a week.
My first plan is to start getting some valuations. Dh may be able to buy me out (think we have around £50k equity, but it would be split due to me taking £15k and him £35k) valid reason and my choice totally. My £15k will allow me to clear my £10k credit card debt and furnish a rented house again. I should be able to save at least £3k per year so won't be long until I'm back on the property ladder.
It's going to be sad but I need to do this for me. Luckily dh realised that his behaviour has driven this and seems to be very calm in it all. Hoping it continues.
Glad to hear it's worked out for you. I'm hoping for that for my dd

peppatax · 26/12/2016 13:46

That sounds like you have a good plan coming together! As long as it all stays amicable that really helps. I'm sure you'll have read on here that it's the special occasions that are hardest but day to day things generally get better post split.

Ratbagcatbag · 26/12/2016 13:55

Thanks peppa

I think for me it's going to be strange as day to day is really good now, dh does more than fair share with dd, cleaning, tidying, running around etc. I just don't bloody love him. If I could ignore that bit we actually have a lovely life and are very financially secure!! :(

Splishing · 26/12/2016 14:19

Hope no one minds me posting here. Not had a chance to read the whole thread but it looks like there are several people in the same position as me.
Pretty rubbish Christmas for me. First post separation. My ex left during summer (for OW) and had been an arse ever since. I had DCs from Christmas Eve afternoon until this morning and they have now gone to his for a week. He even had them for a couple of hours yesterday since he insisted on seeing them on Christmas Day itself. On my own while they are away. Hopefully will meet up with a couple of friends but also don't want to disturb their family time so will see what happens. Feeling quite dejected by it all, not helped by finding out that my mum is also seriously ill (confirmed on 23rd). Feels like so much bad stuff has happened this week.
The other thing that has happened is that my ex decided to have a chat with eldest DC about the split. Haven't been able to get the full story yet but it sounds like she has come away from it thinking I am to blame. So so annoyed. It sounds like he has told her parts of the story and half truths to make himself look better. He even supposedly turned on the water works. So I had the last two days of her 'worrying' about him being on his own and upset. Christmas used to be such a happy time for me but I am sitting here on my own for the first time in years.

WynterBlossom · 26/12/2016 14:32

Splishing, i'm sorry you are going through this too.

Your ex should be mature enough not to discuss your split with a child, it's not fair on them or you.

Although I'm with family for xmas, I'm still very much struggling with my emotions.

Splishing · 26/12/2016 14:46

Thanks wynter sorry to hear your struggling too. Hope your family can help distract you a bit. I thought I would struggle more than I did yesterday but the DC helped distract me and it was nice to see them having a good time.

WynterBlossom · 26/12/2016 14:52

It's nice having children around to distract you from the negatives in life.

I feel I'm making progress then an image comes into my head & I feel I go back to square one, yesterday was a bad day for me

tartanbuggy · 26/12/2016 15:12

Hello everybody - thought I'd join the thread and add my twopenn'orth. Just had first Christmas since DH left at the end of January and moved into a flat with OW (work colleague 26 years his junior) in middle of February. They got together physically after their work Christmas party in 2015, but it sounds like an emotional affair had been going on for a bit before that. Long and complicated story and if anybody needs something to help with insomnia, then all the gory details are in my original thread at www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2560619-Please-help-Husband-leaving-after-26-years?msgid=63554400

I've found it both easier and harder than I thought. The DC were all at home yesterday and we had a lovely day. They have part-time jobs now and I got some lovely presents from them all. The DDs shopped for and bought the ingredients for the Christmas dinner and DD1 cooked it. We all lazed around, did things as and when we saw fit, played Monopoly, bickered over rents on Park Lane and chilled. It was nice not to have an atmosphere; STBXH always drank a lot at Christmas and we were all a bit nervous of how his mood might go. He quite often seemed to sense this and it could make him very "touchy". His moods could range from a sort of forced bonhomie, to maudlin and sentimental to bitter, self-pitying and critical. I didn't drink much at Christmas at all because I found it made me feel vulnerable - don't know why.

This year the DC are all of an age to drink and we had quite a lot of booze throughout the day, but nobody was drunk and it was all very relaxed and good fun.

STBXH used to charge around the place demanding that mess be cleared up straight away before anything else happened and that presents be stacked away upstairs so the house didn't "look like a shithole". Nothing wrong with clean and tidy, but it was the way he went about it that made it a less than relaxing experience. This year, we just pottered around and picked things up as and when. Some things are still waiting to be picked up. We ate dinner when it was ready and DD1 wore her onesie with the hood up and the cracker hat perched on top; DD2 was still in her pyjamas Grin Nobody gave a monkey's!

Despite all this, I still found it very hard and cried quite a few times. I think it was thinking about times gone by and not just with STBXH, but also with my parents (both died over the last couple of years) and my brothers and the good times we had together. Christmas seems to underline the things that have gone wrong and the people who are no longer here: "love and happiness all around" is quite difficult to take. I felt sorry for the DC who were having a Christmas that was so different from last year (before the bombshell dropped) and who have all had a very difficult time of it.

I also found it very hurtful that there was no card or anything from MIL and SIL. I think they may well have sent things for the DC via STBXH, but nothing to the house - almost as if they didn't want to risk me being on the receiving end of any good wishes. I always organised the presents for his family in the past; the only thing I got STBXH to do was write the Christmas card, which I bought, stamped and posted! This year I wasn't sure what to do, so I just arranged for Christmas flowers to be sent from the DC - as I did every year - and we all signed the Christmas cards. Then I fretted over whether that was the right thing to do or not. I feel like a leper - I have been cut off completely by them since STBXH left. They all live a long way away and I have no idea what he has told them about the split, but it's so hurtful to be ignored and cold-shouldered like that. As if I had committed some great crime.

DD1 and DS are both working today and I planned to take DD2 out for coffee and cake for a surprise. However, she told me she was being picked up by STBXH at midday to go out for lunch and I just got so upset. I feel very guilty now because I didn't want to make her feel bad and I do acknowledge her right to see her dad, but I suddenly felt quite bereft and got a foretaste of things to come when all the DC move out and I'll be all on my own. Self-pity fest! DD1 and DS don't see STBXH out of choice due to their previous relationship with him and also the way that he left. DD2 sees him a couple of times a week - refuses to meet OW - but it's hard because there is now an unspoken rift in the family which makes things awkward for me and the DC, but was not caused by any of us. I make a huge effort never to say anything about STBXH and OW or badmouth them, but sometimes I can't help getting upset. I think it's the fact that I'm feeling sorry for myself because I'm sitting on my own on Boxing Day, whereas he will never be on his own because he has OW. I feel guilty for making DD2 feel awkward; then angry because it's not me who has put us in that position; then sorry for myself because it's supposed to be all love and goodwill; then sad because of memories of Christmas in the past, then scared because I don't know what Christmas in the future will look like and where I will be living. And so on ....

All in all, a bit of a mixed bag this Christmas. However, as so many posters have said, it is just one day and it soon passes. I think the best way to cope with any "alone time" is to use it to catch up on things, or have a bit of a relax and pamper session and try not to see it as something negative. I find it really helps not to bottle up my feelings and if I need to have a good cry and a rant and kick Christmas baubles up and down the stairs and assault the Christmas tree angel (bought many years ago by STBXH!), then it's good to do it when the house is empty and the DC can't hear. I have been taking it out on the poor tree angel - on Christmas Eve I pulled her hair and her halo fell off. Maybe it's subconsciously what I'd like to do to STBXH, except he has neither halo nor hair.

Love to you all out there who are going through this. All different stages and circumstances, but it's still difficult for us. I think what keeps me going is accepting that it's perfectly OK to cry, howl, rant, have meltdowns and feel down, as long as you can get back up again afterwards.

And, as usual, I have managed to turn what was meant to be a short, succinct post into a drama llama novel ... well done if you made it to the end Smile

Splishing · 26/12/2016 15:20

Yes that's very true wynter I have been feeling so much better the last couple of months but for some reason I have started playing things over in my head again. What went wrong and why. How could he do this to me and more how could he do this to DC. I find myself thinking that I am starting to move past things and then it all comes crashing down again. I end up feeling so bitter & angry and feel like all I do his rant to all my friends. At least I have managed not cry today...yet!

Splishing · 26/12/2016 15:38

tartan your post makes me feel better. That's the sort of length of message I send to my friends which make me worry that I am offloading too much!
I too wasn't sure what to do about presents & cards for PILs. In the end I sent a card from me & DC and a token present. They have done the same in return. No present for DC given to me either so assuming he must have them. Also pretty much no contact with them for me although in some ways that suits me better. Not sure I could be civilised about how their precious son has been & continuing to treat me. I would go into more detail but worried about giving away to much identifying information.
Also feel sorry for the DC. Got a small token present for DC to give to ex which they were so excited about. It appears he has not thought to do the same. DC had said worriedly in the lead up to Christmas about who would help them get a present for me. I told her not to worry (thinking that he would take care of that) obviously I made a mistake about that!

WynterBlossom · 26/12/2016 15:43

That's very true, I guess this is all a part of the healing process, it's about learning to be patient & knowing this will eventually pass. I keep trying to remember that how I feel is simply a chemical reaction going on.

I cried yesterday however today I've been quite good, I talk about it with family & it reminds me he did me a favour leaving for someone else

tartanbuggy · 26/12/2016 16:12

Hi Splishing - I totally get what you say about being bitter and angry and the ranting to friends. I worry that I'm becoming a bore about it all and I promise myself that I won't mention it to friends when we are out or visiting, but it seems that every bloody time I manage to bring it into the conversation. It's so hard not to. I can't rant and talk it over with the DC and everything just seems to bubble and ferment away inside of me and I have to release it somehow. On my poor friends. I do find it helps to offload at counselling, but I can only afford to go every two weeks and there's a lot of ranting stored up!

It's horrible knowing how to deal with PIL, etc. It's like some awkward dance where nobody knows the steps and is afraid to move in case they tread on somebody's toes. I agree that it's probably easier having minimal contact with his family; I too would be tempted to let rip, but all that would happen is that a little old lady would be upset and it would "prove" that I am a nasty, vindictive person. I think I'd just like the truth to be known; I don't expect or want his family to take sides or fall out with him or anything like that: I just don't want what's happened to be presented in a sanitised way that skirts the truth. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that that's what happened. I don't think he will have told his family that he has a gf who is the same age as his niece and that he moved in with her almost a year ago.

It's sad for your DC worrying about getting a present for you. I felt myself welling up when I read that. It's something that would worry them at that age - shame their dad couldn't have seen that Sad. I'm lucky that my DC are older and able to sort out things for themselves if they want to. It makes it easier.

Take care. This period will soon be over.

peppatax · 26/12/2016 18:17

It's an old cliché I hate but time is a healer. I was so upset not to receive anything from former ILs last year but kept the moral big ground this year, sent them a cheap tin of biscuits so my bit was done for DDs sake. I'm sat here so relieved I don't have to have Christmas with them again, can't stand the old farts to be honest. That said, my on/off DP has the most dysfunctional family I've ever met so trying to see the bright side if he continues to be permanently 'off'!

motheroreily · 26/12/2016 18:51

I'm feeling lonely today. And got 7 days alone ahead of me.

TheTapir · 26/12/2016 18:55

motheroreily I am alone too tonight and except for seeing my parents, will be alone until I am back at work on the 3rd.

Do you have someone to call or can you make some plans to keep yourself occupied? I am planning to go to the gym and might see what's on at the cinema. It's hard to be alone especially at this time of year. Keep posting and reading here, we understand.

motheroreily · 26/12/2016 18:59

I'm working one day this week. And I've arranged to see a friend on Friday too.

My mum died two years ago on nye so I want to mark that but don't know how. She lived quite far away from me.

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