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How on earth can I keep us all safe?

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cherrycrumblecustard · 14/12/2016 16:00

I was going to make this post about "my friend" but honestly, I think I just need to be open about me.

How do you cope? When you live with someone who

will hit (not hard and not enough to bruise but will hityou and also shove, thump things near you and so on)
won't take no for an answer for sex, pulls your pants down as you pull them up, insists, ejaculates when you don't want them to and have asked/begged/pleaded not to
controls EVERYTHING

I need out, but I am TERRIFIED of leaving my children, our children, with him

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Yoshimibattling · 24/12/2016 10:44

please do try call Women's Aid
Sorry you don't need people telling you what to do. Please think about calling is better. But keep posting whether you call or not, for as long as you find it helpful.

Pollyanna9 · 24/12/2016 10:47

So why did you start a post called "How on earth can I keep us all safe" rather than "Help my marriage isn't perfect".

You're not in danger - you're being routinely raped, I hate to press on this but in danger would imply a risk of something happening at some point in the future, but it's already happening to you. How can being raped constantly not be dangerous for you?

Your marriage isn't imperfect, it's twisted and filled with sexual violence and other forms of abuse and control.

There is no relationship to salvage and one day I hope you will manage to realise this, that there is something way better out there, that even being on your own with the kids would be better than what you have now.

No matter how many problems, issues, MH problems, abuse or substance abuse a person suffers from or did suffer from, it actually doesn't matter what the cause is - if the fallout from that is damaging you then it's not ok, not matter how badly they may have suffered. It's not ok for them to make you suffer along the way.

Lovemusic33 · 24/12/2016 10:48

Misery, that is exactly what I have done, he sent me a message saying ' I want to sort things out but if you say no I will leave you alone' I replied with 'no, leave me alone' since then I have had ten more texts, he keeps saying 'goodbye' keeps saying he will leave me alone. I am keeping all the messages, hopefully after Christmas the police will get around to coming back out to see me and they can see how he has been harassing me. One of the messages are threatening, he never threatens me, just threatens to take his own life. He is playing with my heart strings and at some points it has worked, I'm trying hard to ignore it.

Lovemusic33 · 24/12/2016 10:52

Cherry, I seemed help from my local rape crisis, they were brilliant and came to visit me within 20 minutes of me calling, she made me realise exactly what he had been doing to me, sadly because I now have police involved and I have pressed charges I have been passed onto the police domestic abuse team but they can see me until after Christmas.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 11:05

Lovemusic I am really sorry for what you've been through.

I agree, some posters on this thread are amazing. Just beyond belief. And I am more grateful than you can ever know.

Polly wrong answer I know but I don't feel like I'm being raped. So I'm not, really. Not really.

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typedwithcertainty · 24/12/2016 11:43

Hi cherry just checking in. Hope you are okay. Haven't much to add, I haven't got the wealth of knowledge other posters have on here but just wanted to say it sounds like it's really helping you make sense of your thoughts and you're doing really well. I know there's a couple of other posters on here going through similar/ having a tough time so wishing you all strength too.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 11:50

Lovemusic33 go back to the police. Show them the threatening text. I had to take out a restraining order. Luckily, I met the criteria for legal aid. Otherwise it would of cost £2000! The police will take this seriously as a threat has been made...it's escalated from harassment now.

The twat I was with drove 300 miles in the middle of the night to scare the shit out of me. They go to extraordinary lengths. Please make sure you are safe.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/12/2016 13:28

legally you are being raped - whether you minimise or justify or pretend to ignore, he is raping you. Sorry.

Lovemusic33 · 24/12/2016 14:17

Misery, the choice of phoning the police has now been taken out of my hands, they phoned my parents looking for me and they told the police everything (that he had been harassing me ), I am now at home waiting for a officer to come, I gave a statement over the phone and a warrant will be out to arrest him for harassment, he's likely to spend tonight in a police cell. I feel bad, even though he is poison I didn't want him spending Christmas at the police station.

Lweji · 24/12/2016 14:22

I didn't want him spending Christmas at the police station.

And this true for every abuser out there:
They should have thought about it. It's not the victim's fault if the abuser is arrested or spends Christmas on jail or loses their job.

Parker231 · 24/12/2016 17:06

Cherry - I found this on internet. Hopefully it will help you sort out your thoughts.

If you aren’t sure what constitutes this damaging behavior, here are 30 signs of emotional abuse.

  1. They humiliate you, put you down, or make fun of you in front of other people.
  1. They regularly demean or disregard your opinions, ideas, suggestions, or needs.
  1. They use sarcasm or “teasing” to put you down or make you feel bad about yourself.
  1. They accuse you of being “too sensitive” in order to deflect their abusive remarks.
  1. They try to control you and treat you like a child.
  1. They correct or chastise you for your behavior.
  1. You feel like you need permission to make decisions or go out somewhere.
  1. They try to control the finances and how you spend money.
  1. They belittle and trivialize you, your accomplishments, or your hopes and dreams.
  1. They try to make you feel as though they are always right, and you are wrong.

  2. They give you disapproving or contemptuous looks or body language.

  3. They regularly point out your flaws, mistakes, or shortcomings.

  4. They accuse or blame you of things you know aren’t true.

  5. They have an inability to laugh at themselves and can’t tolerate others laughing at them.

  6. They are intolerant of any seeming lack of respect.

  7. They make excuses for their behavior, try to blame others, and have difficulty apologizing.

  8. The repeatedly cross your boundaries and ignore your requests.

  9. They blame you for their problems, life difficulties, or unhappiness.

  10. They call you names, give you unpleasant labels, or make cutting remarks under their breath.

  11. They are emotionally distant or emotionally unavailable most of the time.

  12. They resort to pouting or withdrawal to get attention or attain what they want.

  13. They don’t show you empathy or compassion.

  14. They play the victim and try to deflect blame to you rather than taking personal responsibility.

  15. They disengage or use neglect or abandonment to punish or frighten you.

  16. They don’t seem to notice or care about your feelings.

  17. They view you as an extension of themselves rather than as an individual.

  18. They withhold sex as a way to manipulate and control.

  19. They share personal information about you with others.

  20. They invalidate or deny their emotionally abusive behavior when confronted.

  21. They make subtle threats or negative remarks with the intent to frighten or control you.

The first step for those being emotionally abused is recognizing it’s happening. If you recognize any of the signs of emotional abuse in your relationship, you need to be honest with yourself so you can regain power over your own life, stop the abuse, and begin to heal. For those who’ve been minimizing, denying, and hiding the abuse, this can be a painful and frightening first step.

The stress of emotional abuse will eventually catch up with you in the form of illness, emotional trauma, depression, or anxiety. You simply can’t allow it to continue, even if it means ending the relationship. A licensed counselor who is trained in abusive relationships can help you navigate the pain and fears of leaving the relationship and work with you to rebuild your self-esteem.

Can an emotional abuser change? It is possible if the abuser deeply desires to change and recognizes his or her abusive patterns and the damage caused by them. However, the learned behaviors and feelings of entitlement and privilege are very difficult to change. The abusers tend to enjoy the power they feel from emotional abuse, and as a result, a very low percentage of abusers can turn themselves around.

According to Lundy Bancroft, author of the book Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men, here are some of the changes an abuser needs to make to begin recovery:

Admit fully to what they have done.
Stop making excuses and blaming.
Make amends.
Accept responsibility and recognize that abuse is a choice.
Identify the patterns of controlling behavior they use.
Identify the attitudes that drive their abuse.
Accept that overcoming abusiveness is a decades-long process — not declaring themselves “cured.”
Not demanding credit for improvements they’ve made.
Not treating improvements as vouchers to be spent on occasional acts of abuse (ex. “I haven’t done anything like this in a long time, so it’s not a big deal).
Develop respectful, kind, supportive behaviors.
Carry their weight and sharing power.
Change how they respond to their partner’s (or former partner’s) anger and grievances.
Change how they act in heated conflicts.
Accept the consequences of their actions (including not feeling sorry for themselves about the consequences, and not blaming their partner or children for them).

If the emotional abuser in your relationship isn’t interested in changing, and you aren’t in a position to leave the relationship immediately, here are some strategies for reclaiming your power and self-esteem for the short term:

Put your own needs first. Stop worrying about pleasing or protecting the abuser. Take care of yourself and your needs, and let the other person worry about themselves — even when they pout or try to manipulate you and control you.

Set some firm boundaries. Tell your abuser he or she may no longer yell at you, call you names, be rude to you, etc. If the bad behavior occurs, let them know you will not tolerate it and leave the room or get in the car and drive to a friend’s house.

Don’t engage. If the abuser tries to pick a fight or win an argument, don’t engage with anger, over-explaining yourself, or apologies to try to sooth him/her. Just keep quiet and walk away.

Realize you can’t “fix” them. You can’t make this person change or reason your way into their hearts and minds. They must want to change and recognize the destructive quality of their behavior and words. You’ll only feel worse about yourself and the situation by repeated “interventions.”

You are not to blame. If you’ve been entrenched in an abusive relationship for a while, it can be crazy-making. You start to feel like something must be wrong with you since this other person treats you so poorly. Begin to acknowledge to yourself that it is NOT you. This is the first step toward rebuilding your self-esteem.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 18:16

I've read it Parker123 lets hope it gives Cherry some food for thought? I remember trawling the Internet trying to make sense of the abusive relationSHIT I was once within. Just wish I'd been as clued up prior to it...you live and learn I guess?

TENSHI · 24/12/2016 18:32

This is so utterly utterly dysfunctional but you sound as if you have got used to living with a psychopath and perhaps your dc will learn these skills from you op so they can cope as you are x

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 19:35

I am incredibly appreciative of your thoughts but I feel quite uncomfortable and exposed as someone mentioned this thread on another thread and DH has made one or two knowing comments so if I'm not back its just because this is probably best left. Have a lovely Christmas. X

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typedwithcertainty · 24/12/2016 19:57

Oh I'm sorry to hear that cherry. We will always be here if you need to chat. Stay safe and happy Christmas to you and your little ones xxx

IhatchedaSnorlax · 24/12/2016 21:09

Wishing you a safe & happy Christmas Cherry - hoping 2017 brings you peace.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 21:11

You're very lovely :) I'm fine, don't worry, I'm never in any danger here.

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IhatchedaSnorlax · 24/12/2016 21:15

If only that were true cherry, good luck. Flowers

Emeralda · 24/12/2016 21:18

Wishing you a safe and happy Christmas and 2017, Cherry. You know where we are if needed, and I hope you can get some real-life support too.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 21:30

He does love me, I am lucky really, that someone does.

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Lweji · 24/12/2016 21:33

Have a good Christmas.

But, FWIW, he is the lucky one and I hope he appreciates it sooner rather than later, because he should be in jail, really.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 21:38

Realistically though, he'd never be. Convicted, would he?

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Parker231 · 24/12/2016 21:46

I hope you have a lovely Christmas and a much better 2017. I definitely don't think he loves you - he can't possibly as if he did he wouldn't treat you this way. He is a criminal not a loving husband and father. He should be in prison and not in your home.

Parker231 · 24/12/2016 21:47

Have you read the message I sent earlier with the signs of abuse?

pklme · 24/12/2016 21:49

I'm glad you've had a think, Cherry. We'll all still be here if you want to start another thread and chat another time. And of course you can read all this again. I hope you find some clarity and a way to feel safe soon.

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