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How on earth can I keep us all safe?

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cherrycrumblecustard · 14/12/2016 16:00

I was going to make this post about "my friend" but honestly, I think I just need to be open about me.

How do you cope? When you live with someone who

will hit (not hard and not enough to bruise but will hityou and also shove, thump things near you and so on)
won't take no for an answer for sex, pulls your pants down as you pull them up, insists, ejaculates when you don't want them to and have asked/begged/pleaded not to
controls EVERYTHING

I need out, but I am TERRIFIED of leaving my children, our children, with him

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cherrycrumblecustard · 23/12/2016 22:52

I know it was, it involved bereavements, I've seen unequivocal proof. Death certificates, newspaper clippings.

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FantasticButtocks · 23/12/2016 23:42

couldn't you just as easily claim I wasn't looking for an equal either? Maybe you could. But so what? You didn't then go on to rape and abuse him. You weren't looking for an abuser or a rapist.

FantasticButtocks · 23/12/2016 23:53

You seem determined to stick up for him, and take as much of the blame as possible. Do you know why?

No one is going to change this situation apart from you. Do you remember why you posted in the first place? What you hoped would be the outcome? What you wanted help with on this thread?

Lweji · 24/12/2016 00:22

Isn't it possible that you can sort of find a quality in someone and drag it out and make it worse? Like I made his liking of power worse

No. You were simply unlucky.

So many women. Different women end up abused. For all sorts of reasons.
Some get out more quickly. Others after many years. Also for all sorts of reasons.
You are as you are, but you ARE NOT responsible for the abuse you suffer.

You can do something about it, though. You can reject it and walk away from it. When you are ready.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 06:10

Cherry, that could only be a percentage of the truth. Has he been 100% faithful during your time together? Have you ever doubted him?

You say that he didn't make sexual advances to you whilst you were pregnant. Do you think he sort sexual gratification elsewhere?

Read back through the thread Cherry, pretend you are the one giving advice. What would you suggest this woman does to keep her and her family safe from emotional/physical harm?

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 06:23

I don't know, Misery. He would go berserk if he had read this. He definitely did have a really rotten time of it, he didn't really have anywhere to go towards the end of his time at school. In many ways our situations paralleled one another's although in others they didn't at all. I know he didn't get in at all with his dad, yet they sound strangely alike from the bits I've put together, and he did adore his mum, one of the few things he has said is she would really have liked me.

Like i say I knew he had a few one night stands but I don't think he had any/many actual relationships.

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Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 06:33

What happens when you question him?

pklme · 24/12/2016 07:33

Would it help you to think he has reasons for being abusive? Excuses if you like? If he has suffered traumas as an infant, or even as an adolescent, he may develop all sorts of behaviour as a defence mechanism. Controlling his environment and his resources would be one of them. Thing is, he views you as a resource. You are not. You are a person with needs of your own and just as much right to get them fulfilled. He may have all sorts of justifications, reasons, history that explain his behaviour.

It doesn't excuse it though, and you don't have to let it impact you. He is responsible for himself, bad behaviour and all. You are responsible for yourself, and can and should get out there and start living a life you want.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 08:08

Overview

The four stages of an abusive relationship are also referred to as the cycle of abuse, which is a social cycle theory that Lenore Walker developed in the 1970s to explain patterns of behavior in abusive relationships. Walker’s theory is based on the idea that once abusive relationships are created, repetitive patterns characterize them. This cycle of abuse concept is widely used in treatment.

Tension-Building Stage

Tension builds just before an overtly abusive act occurs. This stage includes passive-aggressive behavior on the part of the abuser, poor communication and palpably escalating strain between two people. The victim often strongly fears angering her partner. Therefore, in this stage, victims often try to change their behavior to prevent triggering their partners’ tendencies toward violence and abuse.
Incident of Abuse Stage

The most overtly abusive stage of an abusive relationship includes the incident itself. The incident of abuse stage, as its name suggests, involves an abuser trying to dominate his partner (the victim) through acts of domestic violence, such as kicking, hitting, shoving, biting and throwing objects. Incidents of abuse also include sexual abuse, emotional abuse, stalking, neglect, economic deprivation, intimidation and other extremely controlling behaviors.

Reconciliation Stage

In the reconciliation stage, the abuser apologizes for harming his victim, is overly affectionate and caring, or chooses to ignore the incidents of abuse or blame them on the victim in some way. These events are often classified as the honeymoon phase. In this stage, the abuser will make it seem as though the violence is finished, assuring the victim that such incidents will never occur again or that the abuser will change. The abuser often feels overwhelming emotions of sadness and remorse, or at least he pretends to. Some abusers even threaten suicide to prevent the victim from leaving. Most abusers shower victims with love, purchasing them expensive gifts and treating them with extra kindness.
Calm Stage

The calm stage is thought to be an extension of the reconciliation stage. During the calm stage, the abuser tries really hard to be kind to the victim and does his best to restrain himself from harming this person. The abusive relationship becomes relatively peaceful and calm during this phase, which often convinces the victim that the abuser has indeed changed. Conflicts inevitably arise, however, which lead again into the tension-building stage of the relationship.

myoriginal3 · 24/12/2016 08:12

Holy fucking heavens. Misery, you have just posted a description of my relationship.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 08:38

I was there once :(

Lovemusic33 · 24/12/2016 08:53

Misery, thank you so much for posting that, after a night of endless text messages from my ex begging for me to take him back I can see that this describes exactly what is happening. I got to the point where it was happening weekly, he would do something to control me, wether it was physical (sexual) or emotional, he would then beg, apologise, make out it was my fault and often threaten suicide, I had reported him missing several times over the last few months due to him going off threatening suicide. It has destroyed me, my mental health is shot and I'm almost suicidal myself, I still love him and his endless messages are getting to me, making me wonder I I am wrong ( even though there's so much evedence that I am right ). I don't think I will ever trust any man again Sad

Mamia15 · 24/12/2016 09:24

Love music - block him and request that contact is limited to child care and done via a third party

Mamia15 · 24/12/2016 09:25

And get police help e.g. Injunction

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 09:26

Misery, isn't that just a relationship though? Not the abuse part but an argument, things settle, you both agree to try more.

As for DH when he was younger, when I think about it I do know quite a bit but it's just he doesn't really like talking about it so you have to wait for him to volunteer something and then try to extract a bit more out. Our DD has his mums name as her middle name and if you ask him a direct question like 'would she be proud' he either ignores you and changes the subject or he finds something to pick fault with and starts lecturing me. But you can kind of get to him at other ways, like if I say I don't understand what DS is doing at school and was it the same for you he might start talking about it then.

I think maybe he doesn't want people to know he was ever vulnerable even if he was only very young at the time so obviously vulnerable.

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Pollyanna9 · 24/12/2016 09:36

What I'd do tonight, instead of going round to my friend's, is I'd have a pre-arranged rendezvous with Women's Aid set up so I could get myself out of the violent and abusive relationship that I'm in and which I'm exposing my children to...

Lovemusic33 · 24/12/2016 09:42

I don't have children with him, he has bale conditions which he keeps breaking but police are doing nothing Sad, I have now witches my phone off as I don't know how to block him.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 09:54

Polly, you know why I can't do that.

Let's suppose I had somewhere to go, that I could get through to women's aid (I did, genuinely, earlier in the thread try, but someone who works for them or for an equivalent charity made it clear they didn't believe me which was ironic as when eventually I DID get through I couldn't speak and I ended up apologising profusely for bothering them and put down the phone) that they would believe me and the children and I would have somewhere to go.

Is that it?

Is he out of their lives?

No. I'm sorry, this isn't the answer you want but it's the real answer, the honest one and the true one, he's always going to be around.

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Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 09:57

Whatever happened in his past should NOT be your burden to carry. He has repeatedly raped you Cherry. He has controlled and molded you into something unrecognisable. You have lost sight of yourself under his shadow. You can continue to merely exsist or you can gather all that you are and make the first steps to reclaiming YOU!

You were once a vulnerable lost 16 year old girl desperately trying to fit in. He picked YOU. Shaped you. Raped you.

You don't need him. HE NEEDS YOU!

If he'd pulled down your pants on the first day you met and forced himself upon you, you'd of gone to the police. You wouldn't of made excuses for him. This didn't happen over night. He has taken time to manipulate you over the years.

He don't view you as a person Cherry. He never will. He views you as his property. Nothing good will ever come from this. Each and every time he helps himself to YOUR body, you will lose another bit of yourself.

You had and are still having a truely horrific/traumatic time. You haven't turned into an abuser?

I wonder what his parents were like? I wonder if what he is inflicting on you is a learnt behaviour?

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 09:59

I don't know that I would. Someone tried to sexually assault me when I was about 14. I told my dad and he was peculiar about it. "Had a word." Maybe it was just a different era, I don't know.

He does need me, though.

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LunaJuna · 24/12/2016 10:17

isn't that just a relationship though? Not the abuse part but an argument, things settle, you both agree to try more.

I know what you're saying... there are fights on every relationship but I think that in a healthy one it doesn't always have the tension build up like in the abusive one.
Also, after the fight both parts talk about and are free to express their opinion. It's not a case of one just saying sorry all the time without sorting the cause of the fight .

Since you started the threat, have you felt any stronger? Do you feel a bit more emotionally detached to him and has it changed the dynamics at home in any way?

Pollyanna9 · 24/12/2016 10:21

No, I don't know why you 'can't do that'. Practically you can, if you genuinely are concerned about "How on earth can I keep everyone safe" (which is a pretty worrying and serious title), then you CAN 'do that'.

If you can't get in touch with Women's Aid by phone you find their address and you go round in person, or you go to a police station. Either would put you in touch with a safe place to stay and arrange it all for you.

Be the best Xmas present you could give yourself and your kids.

Of course this is the one thing you do have absolute control of - deciding whether you do or don't leave and no one here or anywhere can tell you what to do or what decisions to make.

I do genuinely wish you all the best but I'm not going to collude with you that it's all ok at home because the thread you started, and the comments you yourself have made in it over many pages, tell me and everyone else on here otherwise.

I know you can't see it yet, but we on here can see how very very serious it is and how at risk you are and the damage it will be doing to your children, and we are all concerned for you. Very concerned indeed.

I do hope you're ok over Christmas if you remain there over the festive period.

Miserylovescompany2 · 24/12/2016 10:25

Lovemusic33

Simply text stop harassing me. Don't block him. Don't reply. Keep all the texts and take them to the police. After the begging texts, he will show his true colours. He will continue to button press until he hits the correct button (the one that gets your attention) he will unravel, and spew out all kinds of random shite. Don't react. I know sometimes it feels impossible because he's tugging at your heart strings.

If he texts you stating that he's going to kill himself. DO NOT REPLY. Phone the police and let them deal with it.

It's called "hovering" basically trying to suck you back in.

cherrycrumblecustard · 24/12/2016 10:33

Luma, I have, I've said a few times, now, it's really helped. My feelings aren't consistent is the thing I've gone from definitely wanting to leave to definitely not wanting to leave to thinking I might ha e to but not being sure to thinking things have to change but maybe the relationship is salvageable.

Pollyanna I just feel women's aid is there for women in danger, I'm not in danger, I may not be in a perfect marriage by any means but I'm not in danger.

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Yoshimibattling · 24/12/2016 10:40

Hi OP. Sorry to wade in with the same advice but please do try call Women's Aid again at some point. I am sorry that period on your thread was not helpful. Please don't be put off.

I know I am repeating things - but they are calm. They will NOT make you feel like a time waster. They are not just about hostels etc. They will help you sort your thoughts and make sense of things. MN is amazing but real life conversations can be so valuable. People on this thread are fantastic but WA know relationships inside out. You might feel more convinced by what they tell you.

Like many of the posters here they will have endless patience. They will not push you.

Even if all you do is talk and then return to this thread I think it will help. I felt exactly as you so about calling. I could probably find posts with the same words. If you call be honest. Say that you aren't sure you even need their help but you are very confused about your marriage. Let them guide you through the conversation.

I found my local Rape Crisis very helpful. I found I could be really open and explicit in a way I would never be online and was therefore able to trust their judgement of experiences I was describing better.

Please go easy on yourself. It probably feels like your entire world is crumbling. It is so very understandable that you feel confused.

I think you are doing brilliantly at talking here. Keep sounding things out. Flowers