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Support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh thread 4

913 replies

Lilacpink40 · 13/12/2016 21:15

Hi allSmile

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ontheball75 · 06/02/2017 19:40

Congrats chrystal

Lilacpink40 · 06/02/2017 19:41

Rise sounds like he wants to annoy you by not replying. Is court v soon?

Chystal yay great news. First sprog born to this thread and born to freedom away from WN as with your DP?
Hope you're all well.

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longdays · 06/02/2017 20:21

Not had chance to read through yet, but I have just witnessed my ex showing his special snowflake status at parents evening.
I don't know how the teacher kept her cool.

Froginapan · 06/02/2017 20:25

CONGRATS, Chrystal!!!

FlowersStar

Fidelia · 06/02/2017 21:30

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EmilyRosanne · 07/02/2017 08:37

Rise I just sought advice on going abroad, the resident parent can take DC abroad for up to 4 weeks without permission, just take birth certificates if you don't share the same surname. I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of 'aslong' for things that require a response as he will just use it to control. I have booked a 5 day break in the summer and won't tell exP until very close to going!

EmilyRosanne · 07/02/2017 08:38

Congratulations Chrystal! Hope all is well Flowers

Natsku · 07/02/2017 10:31

How is everyone?

Chrystal1982 · 07/02/2017 12:08

Thanks everyone Flowers we're both doing very well 😀 Yes lilac, DP giving sprog his bottle as I type this and he won't be getting within 50ft of SF! Also as much deserved karma, SF's attempts at turning the boys against their 'half sibling' has backfired as they are all extremely taken with and adore the new baby 😂 they also apparently told cafcass they wanted to keep the status quo or add more time with me 😁

Teabay · 07/02/2017 13:44

rise and shiner
My ex does exactly the same. If it were anyone normal else I would just think "ignorant so and so" and carry on with my life regardless.
Because I have been trained by WN to care only for him & his feelings I would be panicking that I wasn't being fair if he hadn't received the emails etc, and not that he was just a rude idiot trying to control me!
This was on another thread-

They train you to sublimate all of your own needs. YOu have been trained to feel his feelings, not your own. Get angry about that.

So - you could print out the emails, scribble a covering note on a piece of A4 along the lines of "just to make sure you know my plans!" and post them through his door.

Then live your life!!

EmilyRosanne · 07/02/2017 14:20

Wow Teabay you are right with the 'training' I have never really thought about it that way, but seems like over the years because he would cause arguments or go in a huff if things didn't go his own way that I would do things in his way or word things to him like it was his idea rather than being 'told' what to do. And even now I feel guilty when I think I might have upset him or feel bad ignoring him.

Chrystal cannot believe a grown man would try and turn his DC against an innocent baby. What a wanker, glad your DC are bonding well with the new arrival regardless of what their father says!

Fidelia · 07/02/2017 14:53

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Natsku · 07/02/2017 14:54

Glad the boys are bonding with new little baby - getting all broody now!

Lilacpink40 · 07/02/2017 18:28

Chystal agreeing with the other strong women here, what a horrible WN/SF to try to make your young DCs not like their little brother. Great that they, you and your DP are all happy. Best revenge is getting on and enjoying life and letting miserable, controllers carry on with their twisted lives.

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riseandshiner · 08/02/2017 10:11

Thank you to all who replied!

I love this: They train you to sublimate all of your own needs. YOu have been trained to feel his feelings, not your own. Get angry about that.

It is true, I was always thinking about his feelings, seems I still am to an extent. Something I need to work on.

I am going to enjoy the no contact for now! :)

Emily and Fidelia - thanks for the advice. I think we will just go on holiday and enjoy ourselves!

And Chrystal - congratulations!!

Lilacpink40 · 08/02/2017 13:12

Rise I'm taking mine by myself in Apr. WN isn't happy but not blocking it. I've had some real doubts and honestly still bit terrified if I'll cope . Good luck with your plans. I bet your DCs will love having a positive event coming up.

My WN isn't fully following our consent order (of course saying it's all my fault and when will I be happy as he's in poverty - he isn't) so I've taken over part of transfer and it's more costs again argh! Want it over so badly and need to get a remortgage sorted so I'm going to do it. This month I've had car, boiler and now solicitor's unexpected costs. Life sometimes throws everything up at the same time.

On a completely different area I kept in contact with last man from OLD, taken slowly and he's being understanding about sitution with WN. He's not in rush and no complications. So it may develop into more, I'm not looking for him to make things better so that's a good start. I'm off all OLD sites and taking more time to focus on DCs /work / hobbies. Feeling like I've passed a 'losing my mind' phase.

We posted before about regression of being overwhelmed by WNness being like a trough rather than starting again. I think that's true. Maybe this thread is a ladder to keep us climbing upwards in a positive direction.

Sending out imaginery ladders to all feeling the WN trough effect...

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Chrystal1982 · 09/02/2017 10:00

fidelia Yes you're spot on, all about control! SF just can't stand that I really don't give a fk about him and is jealous, he's obsessed with babies (more minions to control/convert) but in a rare show of defiance I made him have a vesectomy years ago 😂 He's got a fiancé who he moved in with him (who's also 20years younger than him) so you'd think he wouldn't bother with what I'm doing but he's actually been worse.
His other grab for control is taking me back to court to get the contact order changed but its backfiring on him because although he thinks of the DC as young children they're 11,13,14&16 and are pissed off with SF messing things about 🙄 They've rather helpfully told CAFCASS this lol
'Little sprog' is doing very well, was weighed yesterday and has only lost an ounce 😁 He's up to 3oz per feed 3 hourly now and has a 5 to 6 hour sleep at night, it won't last but I'm enjoying it while I can!

pudding21 · 09/02/2017 10:37

Hi everyone, can I join here?

Quick overview: Together 21 years, 2 DS's 9 and 5. Live abroad. He is a SAHD and I work from home. He is a EA and possible a Narc. Has alcohol dependency. Has made my life a misery for the last two years. Told him it was over a few days ago. I have a house sorted and ready to move at the weekend. I hope we can agree eventually on shared custody, if he behaves. He isn't behaving very well. I will post next what happened last night.

I need handholding through this, I am destroyed and desparately trying to protect the kids.

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pudding21 · 09/02/2017 10:38

So this is a summary of what happened last night. When telling the kids went wrong, I tried to plan it so we could do it calmly, he even took that chance away from me.

So last night it all went horribly wrong. I am so sad and angry. He picked up the kids from school and was getting their dinner ready while I was in the office. I could hear that he was crying and the boys asked if he was ok. He said he was peeling onions. Then my eldest told him he didn't want the dinner he was preparing and wanted egg on toast. OH said "ok". Gave them what they wanted. usually we would say no, your dinner is what has been prepared.

Anyway he continued to cry, and my eldest asked me if he had upset him because he wanted egg on toast. I said of course not. He carried on sobbing loudly, so I asked him to go out the house and take a walk. He got angry and went downstairs. I went down to explain to him that the eldest was upset because he thought he upset him. He took it all the wrong way and started yelling at me.

When he came upstairs he said "Boys, Mummy has something to tell you". The elodest started shouting and crying hysterically, the youngest walked out the room. I had no choice but to tell them, but at the same time he was saying "don't do this, don't do this".

It took me about 1 hour to calm the eldest down and try and explain to him and tell him it wasn't his fault. I had to lay with him until he went to sleep. The youngest took it on the chin and we had a brief chat (he is only 5) then he started talking about something else. It wasn't how I planned it. I planned that I would ask OH how he wanted to tell the kids, and if he wanted to be involved but it all went to shit.

I am so angry with him. But he just doesn't see it. At about 1am, I could hear him crying again and he came into my bedroom beggin me. I didn't want the kids to wake up so I told him to get in bed and held his hand but said I didn't want to talk about it with the kids in the house. He went back to bed, and this morning was also tough.

I told him this morning I was going to have a word with the teachers. He got pissed wiht me saying that FFS he has only just found out, and I said to him "I am not telling the teachers because I want to, I am telling him because they look after the boys, and perhaps they might be sad and their behaviour might change". It was like a lightbulb moment and for a glimpse I thought he might actually understand where I am coming from.

It just shows how incompetent he is as a decent human being. I told both the teachers, the eldests offered if he needs it to speak with the school psychologist.

I had a complete panic attack in the car, then came back and we just talked for about half an hour. I asked him if he could keep himself together before Saturday and he has agreed to. If he doesn't I will go before. Do you think this is right? I told the kids that we wouldn't leave until Saturday, so they have that in their mind. The eldest asked if we could go for dinner on Friday.

What a goddamn mess. I know I shouldn't beat myself up but I feel like a complete failure, I want to protect them from this, but I feel like last night will screw them up for a lifetime.

Natsku · 09/02/2017 11:26

Sorry to welcome you pudding not the most pleasant club to be in!

You aren't a failure, you're not the one that upset the boys, it was their narc dad. Try to think positive now - you've got a house sorted, that's brilliant, you've got a moving day, brilliant too. Just think its only two more days and then you're out of there - you can cope with those two days. He hasn't any history of violence has he though? Because if at any time you feel afraid that he might get violent because he's angry/upset about you leaving then get your boys and leave immediately.

Have you got all the boys' paperwork secure? Passports, birth certificates etc? Have you got friends nearby that know you are leaving? I think going out for dinner tomorrow might be a good idea as the more time spent in the public view should hopefully lessen the chances your STBEx will make a scene again.

Teabay · 09/02/2017 11:46

Hi Pudding,
I've been following you on the other thread, thinking of you.
I was you last January and I'm out, in my own house and as of Jan 17 my DC are with me almost all the time.
You can do it. You are doing ok and you were PERFECTLY sensible telling School.
Are you taking your DC with you when you leave? You definitely should, they can visit him. He will not / should not be main carer after this, he will fck with their heads giving them his emotions to hold.
How old are they?

This will be fine, trust me!

pudding21 · 09/02/2017 11:49

Hi Natsku: thanks for your support. Yes two more days, two more days, two more days. i can do it

Teabay · 09/02/2017 11:49

Sorry, saw ages. Mine now 10 and 6, were 9 and 5 last Jan when it started for us.
Is there social care where you are? Women's Aid? Just saying, because with alcohol dependency and EA you need to get out, stay out, and let the authorities support you x

pudding21 · 09/02/2017 11:52

Teabay: hello again. They are 9 and 5. They will come with me. I think in a while, once he gets his head around things, we will be able to share childcare. But once I am out, I will assess how he is. I think with me out the picture and things clearer for him, will essentially make him a better parent. or am I being naive again?

Natsku · 09/02/2017 11:53

Agree with Teabay get the authorities to help in regards to custody and shared parenting.

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