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Long marriage with controlling DH - he says I have just sponged off him

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HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 11:37

DH has always been really difficult and prone to get nasty if he can't get his own way.

Over the years he has let me make some decisions (for instance I make all the decisions about the children) but he will pull rank over some things, like finances. He also controls where I go and hates me having friends.

We married very young, soon after I had left school. I had been ill through secondary school so left with no qualifications, and he had a good trade, so I raised the children, ran the home and worked part time, fitting it around the family.

Meanwhile, he worked hard, and concentrated on his career which gave us a good standard of living, and eventually had several good promotions. He never contributed to the home other than financially - no bed time stories, or trips to the park, or washing up or cooking, as that was all left to me. He worked from home and would make life really hard by messing up the house while I was at work because i think he was resentful that I wasn't at home, so he made life retry miserable.

When our youngest was born, he insisted I got a part time evening job and he would look after the baby, but the it was awful - he would make me late every day, mess up the house while I was out, and the baby wasn't looked after properly, e.g. not fed or nappy changed or put to bed. Often I would get home and youngest would be roaming the house alone while DH had taken himself to bed.

I stuck it out for eighteen months but handed in my notice in the end. Since then (ten years ago) I have been a SAHM.

I have done a bit of volunteering but DH has been really unsupportive - in the last role, he decided (for no apparent reason) that I was cheating on him with another volunteer and kept threatening to confront this person until I gave it up.

About a year ago, he told me that I had been sponging off him for years, and he was sick of it. I have been trying to find a job since then, but he has put barriers up every time I have an interview, and ridiculed me if they are not what he thinks of as a good job. So I haven't found anything yet.

I feel such a failure - I thought I was doing the best thing by looking after my family but now it turns out that I am just some sort of fool who is now unqualified for anything and has very little work experience, and a DH who resents me every day because of it.

After he ranted at me all day yesterday about my lack of income while we put up the decorations, he told me today that he plans to open a separate account so I can't touch his money. He just doesn't understand that I can't just find a job that he thinks is suitable. I feel so low and worthless today, and so tearful .

Sorry it's so long. I know I should leave him, and I would, but I think I need a job before I can.

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Maria1982 · 04/12/2016 14:06

Don't be sorry
Protect yourself - this includes making sure he can't see this thread (he would just tell you that we are all crazy harpies)
Change your passwords on your computer /laptop/ phone.

Call Women's Aid when you are able to, from a safe place (even if that means from a supermarket car park if he's always home frankly).

And to re-iterate what others have said: he is abusing you.
He is a horrible bully.
You are NOt useless.
You can leave him.
And you will be much happier if you do.

Come back here when you are safely able to. Lots of posters on mumsnet have been through similar- and can provide advice and support.

Ouriana · 04/12/2016 14:12

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Frequency · 04/12/2016 14:15

he would just tell you that we are all crazy harpies

Oh God, yes.

I wasn't part of MN when I was with or when I was leaving me ex but I was part of a smaller, online community. Those harpies are the reason our marriage broke down. They brainwashed me into thinking he was abusive when, in fact, it was entirely my own doing.

Hmm

Online communities are super powerful, malicious entities that have the power to end happy relationships.

It's like these 'men' have some sort of secret set of rules they all follow, isn't it?

BubblingUp · 04/12/2016 14:19

This seems like a pattern - mother is SAHM, kids reach teen years - and then dad becomes resentful for all the financial support he provided over the years and feels unappreciated and angry. (I can picture my own dad screaming at us, "Everything you have is because of me!")

You need a job ASAP. I wouldn't even say you have to leave the marriage, because my bet is he will leave as soon as he has a new woman. You want that job in place when that happens. Hoard money up until then.

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 14:23

I would like to retrain (or actually just train as I have no qualifications !) but I don't have any money to access anything like that.

I have talked about it over the years but DH doesn't think it's worth it. He thinks I can earn lots of money without any qualifications but has no ideas other than just ringing up and asking for a chance, which I would be much too anxious to do Blush

I am forty nine.

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Frequency · 04/12/2016 14:29

You'll find a lot of courses are funded, partly or wholly, if you are on a low income. Check out the Open University. You can apply for student loans to cover the fees.

Your local FE college will have similar bursaries that adult learners can apply to. Ours does free GCSEs in English, Maths and Science if you don't already have them. I'm not sure if this is a local or national scheme.

You could also apply for jobs in places that hire a large number of students and therefore have a high staff turnover, these places tend to be the ones that promote frequently from within. An older employee would be looked on favourably for promotion/training over someone who is likely to leave when they start uni. This could be used a jump point to something better. Think fastfood chains, retails stores, supermarkets etc.

Do you have any skills/hobbies that could be translated to a small business?

Fourty Nine is still young by todays standards, you have plenty of time to change your life for the better.

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 14:32

He wouldn't look at MN. I have been here quite a while but I don't talk about what I read as he calls us all 'nuts and sluts', which I suppose makes a change from harpies ...

I have just changed my phone password.

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LucilleBluth · 04/12/2016 14:35

My husband is very similar op. I still have young kids but I had a bit of a wake up call when I suspected something dodgy was going on with him.....he lost lots of weight, I found steroids in the garage and he suffered a bout of erectile dysfunction....anyway, I am nearly done with an OU degree, I volunteer in my field and am making sure I have a back up plan. It's never too late.

Serialweightwatcher · 04/12/2016 14:42

What a complete and utter shit - you shouldn't have to live like this - he's a controlling, manipulative git and doesn't deserve you - how dare he mess up the house to keep you in your place ........ you can't possibly be happy and if not, you need to do something so that you can be in the future - good luck

SandyY2K · 04/12/2016 14:42

Oh what a terrible situation. He ridicules you to grind you down and make you loose faith in yourself. He seems to have done a good job of that so far.

Stop caring what he thinks.
Start doing what you want.
Take a job you're happy with.

It sounds like he's the one cheating and wants you to get a well paid job, so he doesn't have to pay much spousal support if/when he decides to leave the marriage.

People who cheat tend to project their own behaviour onto others. That's why he accused you of cheating. Next time stick to your guns.

If he confronted the man he'd have looked like a fool.

On what basis did he suspect an affair?

I'd be making exit plans if I was you.

happychristmasbum · 04/12/2016 14:42

OP you really would be so much happier without him, he sounds awful Sad

You say you missed a lot of school and left without qualifications, but your posts read really well - a lot better than some graduates I come across! I don't doubt you could retrain for something, maybe using an access course first?

Could you see a local solicitor just to find out what your options are? Many will give 30 minutes free advice. Is your youngest child still in full time education? If you work 16 hours you could swap this loser for tax credits and he would have to pay you child maintenance. Hopefully these happy thoughts will get you through a difficult time and you can start making plans for a much happier future. Flowers

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 14:43

DH is a high earner so I don't think I would qualify for anything free, plus DH would be really angry because he would think I was wasting my time. But thanks for the ideas though.

The last interview I had, he wouldn't let me attend because he said it started too early and he thinks I need to be around to get our youngest to school. He says I was a shitty mother to want to 'abandon' our young teenager like that. I was trying to explain my reasons why it would be a good entry level into work (DH is around in the mornings to chivvy teen, it was a Christmas temporary job so good for my sparse cv, employer often takes Christmas staff on permanently in the NY, etc) and DH got right in my face, screaming 'shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up' over and over.

The next day, he said it was my decision not to go for the job and that he hadn't tried to stop me Sad

I feel sick and shaky thinking about applying for something else, but I know I have to.

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whitehandledkitchenknife · 04/12/2016 14:44

My father used to regularly accuse my mum of having affairs. She too, was a SAHM, with 5 children under 5. He controlled the finances and thought nothing of withholding the housekeeping money, as it was called, leaving her to beg for it to buy food. He was physically and sexually violent to her. I could hear (and see) far too much as a young child.
Guess who was really having the affairs? When the girls he carried on with became a similar age to us, his daughters, she finally found the guts to leave him. I wish she'd done it when we were little. So much damage.
Stay strong H&S.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 04/12/2016 14:48

He is abusive. Lots of good advice from previous posters, really hope you find the strength to leave him. Quite possibly your adult children are more than aware of the situation, so you may find they are very supportive. Good luck Flowers

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 14:49

I don't think he is cheating. He doesn't work with any women and he actually seldom has to go anywhere for work (an occasional meeting). He hasn't any family or friends, and I am his only real company.

That scares me - he wouldn't have any distractions if I left, so would just focus on ruining my new life. He wouldn't have anything else to do.

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Bambamrubblesmum · 04/12/2016 14:54

This is really bad OP. You can't see how bad it is but you will when you're free.

But putting that to one side, it doesn't matter how bad it is, if you are unhappy then that is reason enough to leave. You are important too. You don't just have to put up with it. You get a vote as well!

He's a high earner- good plenty of cash available then to divvy up in the family pot.

What's your housing situation like? Do you have a mortgage?

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 14:58

We have a big mortgage but in the next few months will have a large windfall arriving which will pay it off.

My practical side says I should find a job, bide my time until the house is paid for, and when the did

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MrsPear · 04/12/2016 14:58

Waves to op a lot of courses ask for benefits but not all. I am working on an escape plan and a home course I am doing is free because I have been out of work so long.

JuddNelsoninTheBreakfastClub · 04/12/2016 15:01

What you said there about him not attending the interview backs up what I said earlier that he doesn't want you to have any money of your own that would give you some independence, he wants to control you by being in charge of the money because HE earns it. I've seen this happen before in other relationships. If you had some money he knows you would probably leave. If you were to split up I think you could maybe claim for more as you gave up working to care for the children, a solicitor would be able to confirm this. He has destroyed your self esteem, it's up to you but an exit plan sounds advisable as others have said Flowers

BitOutOfPractice · 04/12/2016 15:01

Take half the windfall op. Please.

He sounds vile. A vile abusive bully.

Op I hope you can find the strength to pan your escape. You sound so lovely

FlappysMammyAndPopeInExile · 04/12/2016 15:01

Often I would get home and youngest would be roaming the house alone while DH had taken himself to bed.

I rarely tell people what to do - but leave this selfish arse now - your child could have been seriously injured or even killed.

He has forced you to become financially dependent upon him, and then uses that dependence to vilify and degrade you, destroying your self-esteem. He will make sure that you never get a job unless it suits him that you do (and he would continue to control your finances even then).

He is destroying you just as surely as if he beat you.

You do not need a job to leave him. He is still responsible for maintaining your children (or at least your youngest - I don't lnowthe ages the others.

Bear in mind that you could also open your own bank account and move money from the joint account (ALL of it, if you wish) into it (though I can see that he would be pushed into a rage by that and that is dangerous for you). But you DO have rights. Is the house in both your names? Even if not, as you have looked after him all of these years, you have enabled him to achieve his current financial and domestic position - you are entitled to a share.

There are many people on here who can offer good advice about how to get what you are entitled to. Please don't stay with him any longer - you and your children deserve better.

JuddNelsoninTheBreakfastClub · 04/12/2016 15:02

*him not letting YOU attend the interview

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 15:03

Sorry - posted to soon. I meant to say, when the dust has settled and I have saved a bit, I could leave. There would be enough money in the house to buy something smaller for me and the youngest.

He will kick off though, and the fallout will be terrible.

Maybe, for youngest's sake, I should just grit my teeth until he is older. I don't know

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Frequency · 04/12/2016 15:06

he wouldn't have any distractions if I left, so would just focus on ruining my new life

If he follows the abusers handbook, as many of them seem to, he will almost defininately do this.

There are ways to deal with this. Delete/block him on all social media. Set up an email address specifically for dealing with him, block him on all other emails or set up new ones he doesn't know about. Check this email only once a day/week and respond only to things relating to the children/divorce. Refuse to get drawn into anything else. Some newer phones allow you block certain numbers, there are also apps that you can use on older phones to block him. Only allow him to call between x and y hours and then block him. If he calls about anything not relating to the children/divorce "I'm busy, sorry, talk to you later, bye" and hang up. If he turns up at the house (one of my ex's favourite tricks) don't answer the door, tell him you are calling the police of he refuses to leave. Nine times out of ten the threat of police is enough.

He probably will try to destroy your new happiness but you don't have to let him.

HoarseAndSad · 04/12/2016 15:10

You are all so kind Smile I have read so many people on here saying they are shaking getting all this emotion out, and here I am, doing the same.

I can't thank you all enough for listening and taking the time to reply.

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