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Onit's still on it! Thread 3

985 replies

onitlikeacarbonnet · 23/11/2016 13:49

Hello to anyone who's still here Smile

Links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2658829-Anyone-up-DH-is-leaving-me

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2690159-Anyone-up-DH-is-leaving-me-follow-up-thread-Onits-on-it

I'm carrying on with this as I'm certain I'd be in a much unhappier state without the support I've received here.
This has become my journal of sorts and I hope it's something I can look back on in time to see how far I've come.
I also hope it helps to document the truth of my situation for the future and perhaps, if read by others, will offer help and hope to them too.

OP posts:
nigelforgotthepassword · 17/01/2017 09:36

It is laughable about him quibbling about you now rethinking things you had agreed on in the week after he left. What's more amusing however this that you are perfectly within your rights, and in fact sensible, to do so and he can do nothing about that.
Mediators are trained to spot abusers I think and won't do joint sessions where that sort of abide is suspected. Mine asked me if I would be alright to do the joint sessions given how bullish me ex can be and also his work background which out him at an advantage when discussing finances etc.i thought that was a pretty subtle thing for her to pick up on-so in your case Id imagine huge alarm bells would be ringing for any mediator worth their salt.

underitoveritthroughit · 17/01/2017 17:16

So lawyers appointment went ok.
Discussed responses to the points raised and it's possible, with me giving in on a few points wrt money, that we will have the financial settlement fairly soon. Though my lawyer has suggested we get valuations of both state pensions just to be sure I'm not losing out.

I don't feel great about the whole process tbh. I feel that 50/50 is grossly unfair in principle as it essentially will always leave the lower earner/primary career at a disadvantage that they will never recover from, as in my case.

I have spoken to mediation but they have no appointments till March so he'll be waiting a bit longer for that.

But I did get a laugh this afternoon. Dd said she'd told daddy that he shouldn't have a girlfriend when he still has a wife Grin
Apparently he said "oh! I didn't know that" Hmm
He also told Dd that he had no money and I had more than him ConfusedConfused
I told Dd that girlfriends were expensive Wink

MrsPeelyWally · 17/01/2017 17:27

Onit, out of the mouths of babes eh Smile

Why do you have to give in on a few points with regard to money? In what way will that benefit you?

AgathaF · 17/01/2017 18:57

Your DD - brilliant!

Glad the lawyer appt went ok. It's a shame that you have to give in on a few points, and I totally agree with you that 50/50 is dreadfully unfair where one parent earns significantly less than the other and has been the promary carer. I just can't understand where that thinking comes from.

Stormsurfer · 17/01/2017 21:05

Love the wise words from your DD!

I don't understand why you are probably getting 50:50? Would you not get more as you are housing the children!? Also did they say anything about spousal support? I think under Scottish law you should get 3 years (because you are the significantly lower earner) to allow you to adjust. But I may be wrong.

It just seems very unfair.

underitoveritthroughit · 17/01/2017 23:02

Over the last few months I suppose it could be seen that he's been generous. But, if the house hadn't sold, I'd have had less than £100 quid as disposable income after paying the mortgage and bills. Not generous at all.
I can only go with what my lawyer is saying about what I can realistically expect. He's never mentioned spousal support apart from what's being paid while I'm off work.
It is unfair. I feel absolutely violated by the whole process. But it's a no fault, clean break system.

I have agreed to giving him a grand back. I had more of the contents of the house (though he was given ample opportunity to take what he wanted) and if I give in on that he'll not argue about my shares (though I'm not sure he's entitled to them as I had all but a few before we married) or ask for evidence of what I've spent the money on over the last few months.

I do think I'm letting things go on the money side but I'd rather walk away with my dc than a few extra quid every month.
It actually works out that the maintenance payment he's offered will be around £5 per month more than the csm would oblige him to pay. Best not argue with the offer. I can pay for a whole days school dinner and snack with all that generosity!

I can't dwell on how mean and vindictive he's being and stay on an even keel.
My anger is keeping me going enough to not give in all together but I need to keep a positive outlook otherwise I'll be letting him win the real fight which is for me and my dcs future wellbeing and happiness.
If I let him in he will ruin me. My mental health is paramount as it is my weak spot and he's well aware of that. I'd rather be poor than bitter.
I'll never forgive what he's taken from me over the last 20 years but I won't let him destroy me.
I will survive this. I will strive to be the best parent I can be to my dc and protect them as best I can from the poisonous bastard they have for a father.
It's so hard finally seeing what he is. I can't believe I was so naive. I feel sickened that this man is the father of my wonderful, beautiful children. That I ever loved him seems ridiculous. Like a bad dream.

I'll grieve for the life I could've had for a lot longer than I ever grieved for him.

I need to believe he will suffer in the future for what he's done. That's as bitter as I can allow myself to be.

nigelforgotthepassword · 18/01/2017 10:13

That's the spirit onit...
I've taken to believing in karma in a way that I never did before.
Still seems grossly unfair to me that you she to give him anything back.and shocking that he'd ask.

underitoveritthroughit · 18/01/2017 10:37

Absolutely nothing he does or says shocks me anymore.

I'm more shocked when he appears human these days which is both scary and sad.

Mix56 · 18/01/2017 12:29

Bravo Onit, I think your stance on this "I'd rather be poor than bitter" shows what an outstandingly wonderful Mother & person you are.
I bow down to your strength.
& I am sure that Karma will indeed come round to give him what he deserves.

MrsPeelyWally · 19/01/2017 05:05

Thank you for explaining the money side of things Onit. Its been a very long time since I lived in Scotland and Im not 'up' on things.

I like that you'd rather be poor than bitter xxxxxx

Stormsurfer · 20/01/2017 00:00

Loving that attitude! You're right of course, you are far better off without him. What an inspiration you are!

underitoveritthroughit · 20/01/2017 00:09

Just off to bed but he texted about the dc asking to meet ow and how was I feeling about that now AngrySadShock

I mean, I don't know, I think maybe we should actually all go out together, or maybe even book a holiday or start a Mormon commune because I've realised my misjudgement in the last month since you last brought up the subject.
I mean honestly; anyone would think I was trying to ruin your relationship by inconveniencing you and expecting you to spend time with your kids without your girlfriend. How annoying it must be that they get in the way.
Never mind, as long as it makes your life easier go ahead and confuse your dc and manipulate them even more.

OF COURSE I HAVENT CHANGED MY MIND YOU FUCKING COLLOSAL CUNT!

Or, as I actually replied.
My opinion is unchanged
Grin

MrsPeelyWally · 20/01/2017 07:22

Onit, I wonder what she thinks about it? Is she being forced into this as you are? Now, Im not making excuses for her by asking that but one does wonder how she feels about it.

nigelforgotthepassword · 20/01/2017 07:23

At least he asked I suppose.Im slightly surprised given his form that he hasn't just gone and done it anyway.

MrsPeelyWally · 20/01/2017 07:32

NIgel, I think its all to do with his mediation. It either came up when he went and he's pushing for a response to go back with, or its something thats going to figure highly when he goes for his first appt which I think is about now?

Stormsurfer · 20/01/2017 07:43

Such restraint in your reply! Prefer the first version. Seriously though, I really am in awe of how well you are rising above all his fuckwittery!

AgathaF · 20/01/2017 08:11

I love your reply. Short and to the point. No need to dress it up more than that.

Mix56 · 20/01/2017 08:31

Well done Onit. I am surprised he hasn't just done it too, you were half expecting it over Xmas. Yes This is about him spending time with her at the w/e as meanwhile he is forced to live in his flat alone when your DC are at his.
Sadly you know it will happen, & if you were a Saint, you could hope the kids accept OW & their w/es happy when they are away etc.
In reality you just want your babies with you & LCB to live alone for the rest of his days or preferably die of long slow painful wasting disease

You need to mentally prepare yourself for this next stage.

MrsPeelyWally · 20/01/2017 08:37

A story that I hope might give you a laugh.

My husband ran our business out of Dubai 3 days a week. Its where he had his den of iniquity love nest. Anyway he used to take our son up there sometime over night, the one who's severely disabled, because there was a fast food place our son likes to go. It was in the days when he could travel. They were supposed to be staying in a hotel. Anyway one year we were all in the UK and we were driving to the South and my son suddenly said something about 'go dubai see Chinese candles'. Oh, I said, what Candles is that, and my husband said oh he must have seen the Beijing Olympics on tv when we were there and he want to see it again on the TV. It was a load of nonsense, he'd obviously had my son at his apartment, the woman has a Filipino/Chinese background, so I just said - DS, what candles? Tell mama and I'll get you the candles. Of course my son couldn't tell me because he can't really talk which was very convenient for my husband but it scared my husband enough to start behaving if his seat was on fire and to threaten to jump out of the car. door - he's nothing but a coward when he's been caught out. Anyway for safety reasons I just kept quiet but about year later when I was still gathering my evidence I decided that when I went to Dubai for easter with my daughter and grandchildren I would book a self catering apartment in the same block where I suspected something was going on - not that I knew at this time the extent of what was going on. Anyway a few weeks later I met my husband and said oh we're going to stay on the Island in that block of apartments where we have the apartments and he said, what do you want to stay there for? Our tenants tell me the pool is cold, and the sea is even colder, you can't stay there, you wont enjoy it - I insist you go to a hotel, I'll book it for you, and I'll set up the account before you arrive, just go and enjoy yourselves, dont worry about a thing. So thats how me, my daughter, my grandchildren, my brother and his wife ended up staying at our favourite hotel on Jumeirah Beach for a week - but more importantly it was how I found the next piece of the jigsaw! Grin

It was about 4 years ago now this Easter and just recently when I told an old friend the storey he said to me - yes, he once told me if you want to find something out you will, and now I know what he means. Grin

MrsPeelyWally · 20/01/2017 08:39

I thought a wee laugh would be a good start to the day for us. Smile

Clutterbugsmum · 20/01/2017 10:20

So at his last visit with his children his daughter told him he shouldn't have a girlfriend while still being married and now he wants them all to meet and play happy family. How thick is he.

ohbollox22 · 20/01/2017 10:50

Delurking...
My ex wanted us all to be able to spend Xmas together and go on holidays Grin me, him, our DS and the OW and her kids!
They are such idiots - safe to say 3 years later it still hasn't happened

nigelforgotthepassword · 20/01/2017 12:54

You are probably right Mrs PW...
It was a god answer onit. Best not to engage with him more than you absolutely need to.

nigelforgotthepassword · 20/01/2017 12:56

Good not God Smile

nigelforgotthepassword · 21/01/2017 21:03

Hey onit-forgot to say-hope your weekend away goes well