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My partner is damaging his daughter's mind, body and soul (follow on thread)

325 replies

RedStripeLassie · 21/11/2016 14:00

A follow on from my dp doesn't look after his mind, body or soul (Offreds words for the title)
I understand people's anger, sadness and frustration at the situation I'm putting dd in but would appreciate further help as I feel I'm getting somewhere and don't want to lose the momentum and ignore everything.
Thanks to everyone that took time posting and don't feel like you have to again if you feel it's not going anywhere or its falling on deaf ears.

OP posts:
user1471455262 · 24/11/2016 17:16

Feeling jealous on dds behalf that other children has gardens and fun weekends away and knowing that I'm as much to blame. It's shit.

So why won't you do anything about it? It's totally in your power. At least go away for the weekend without him and see how peaceful it is.

Costacoffeeplease · 24/11/2016 17:17

It doesn't matter what we say on here, what matters is what SS will see - a mother who is prioritising her husband over her child - that's the bottom line. A child whose father smokes weed at the park, and spends hundreds of pounds a month on drugs and alcohol when the child didn't have a proper coat. A child who is regularly exposed to drink and drug taking by family and friends. That is not a safe child

SparklyMagpie · 24/11/2016 17:34

I think the least of your worries is a garden for your daughter to play in.

You just don't get it, and you say you do but you don't otherwise you'd be out of this shit hole of a relationship

All you do is focus on your husband!! Focus on your daughter !! Provide a nice happy,drug free environment for her to grow up in

Will you be happy when one day she turns round and tells you you didn't do enough for her and she resents you?!

Do you want us to get the violins out and say poor you when it's YOU that can change this

I think your winding us up now ! And I now have no sympathy after the mammoth amount of posts explaining to you why this is wrong and some posters going into detail.of their own personal struggles with similar situations

Hidingtonothing · 24/11/2016 17:34

Red I really think you should do the Freedom Programme. I know you don't think your relationship is abusive but, whether that's true or not, your thinking is skewed and you need something to kickstart a new approach, I really think it could help.

Do it online if you can't face going, it's better in person but online is still worth doing. If you scroll down this link you can sign up online or search for a course in your area www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/

Please do it, I know you think it doesn't apply to your situation but that's exactly why you should do it. I know even I've been harsh on you at times on your threads but I hope you know that harshness comes from real empathy for your position. I understand all too well why you're struggling to change the things that are wrong in your life and I want to help you, I hope you believe me enough to give the FP a go.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 24/11/2016 17:38

You can make the change even if you feel shit about it, even if it hurts, if you believe it is the best of a bad set of options.

Do you believe that you have to remove yourself and DD from this situation? Or do you believe it is all going to be OK if you stay?

Wolfiefan · 24/11/2016 17:56

I am completely NOT saying you are a bad mother. I do however think you need to make a superhuman effort to get her away from him and keep her safe.
Just as SS have never been involved with anyone you know it doesn't mean they wouldn't be very interested in you.
I feel really sad that you don't seem to care enough about yourself or have enough self esteem and confidence to see you would be better off without him. He's done that to you. I am sure he has.
If you don't leave I am scared your daughter would end up with someone just like her DH. You are settling for this so why wouldn't she. Sad

DistanceCall · 24/11/2016 18:21

Red, it doesn't take Social Services involvement to recognise that things are seriously wrong. You can see it. Your daughter can see it. Your neighbours and friends who won't meet you in your home or allow their children to come to play with your daughter can see it.

I'm really sorry to say this, because I know you are not malicious, but you're being incredibly selfish. You want to stay with your husband, that's clear. And you want your daughter to stay with you. But staying with your husband - who is a drug addict, who spends the money which should be spent on your daugher on drugs, who gets stoned and drunk in a children's park, who makes the house stink so badly that people notice, whose family also take drugs and drink in front of children - is hurting your daughter.

Perhaps you think that she's OK now, but she isn't. She's aggressive and swears, and it will only get worse and worse, and she'll quite probably become an addict and a doormat herself, because that will be all she'll have ever known.

Seriously, Red, ask for help. You're hiding this from people, because you know what they would say. Get help. Or give up your daughter. It's the least thing you can do for her.

DistanceCall · 24/11/2016 18:31

And also, Red: I think practically everyone on these threads would honestly say that they would report you to Social Services if they knew you. And that's merely from the description of your living circumstances that you have given us.

Just imagine what anyone who got to know you a bit closely (and was not an addict or a drunk themselves) would think. This means that you will never be able to allow anyone who is not dysfunctional to get close to you or your family, as you will always be worried to be found out, always be looking over your shoulder. You won't have anyone over other than your families, and you will be so terrified every time someone knocks on the door or the landlord turns up.

You will tell your daughter not to talk about Daddy to other people, not to invite other children home, not to write what actually happened during the weekend in her homework. You will teach her to lie and be quiet and put up with Daddy's addictions and that her feelings don't matter. That she can't be allowed to have nice things because Daddy's "needs" always, always come first. That Daddy is more important to you than her.

Is that really the way you want to live? Is that what you want to do to your daughter?

DistanceCall · 24/11/2016 18:35

Oh, and Red. You have said that you adore your husband.

He doesn't love you. Or your daughter.

Myusernameismyusername · 24/11/2016 19:04

Also I think that you have admitted that you don't always see things in the way others do, is there any signs your daughter is struggling that you will admit to? Because we haven't really touched on her being aggressive, although that's something that has come up. In denial you may be about DP but any denial about DD? Really ask yourself that.

Dozer · 24/11/2016 19:27

RL womens services will not be judgmental like we are and are used to working with women in difficult situations who don't yet want or feel able to leave. They can provide proper help. Al anon can help on things like codependency and the alcohol situation. Your GP has suggested counselling.

You can look into practicalities of leaving (school, housing, work, childcare, benefits) without making the decision to leave - though we hope you will make that decision.

As a PP says, SS are a potential issue, but the main issue is the ongoing effects on your DD of living in this environment with an alcoholic pothead father and codependent, enabling mother.

And yes, we will challenge your argument that your parenting is good, when your choices are so poor and so very bad for your DD.

Parker231 · 24/11/2016 19:38

I've just read this thread from the start and feel so sorry for this little girl - she's having a dreadful start in life and appears to have a mother although claiming to love her, is putting a man, who I wouldn't let into my house, ahead of her future, safety and wellbeing. Poor little girl.

Badnaughtyzoot · 24/11/2016 20:46

I've read both your threads.

I've had dealings with SS before in a professional capacity. You often hear these days that SS are too busy with the cases of extreme abuse to worry about children who are well fed with a roof over their head. Well, that's not entirely accurate - to be honest, if you lived in my area, you'd be counting down the days until SS involvement. It's not if but when, and it's going to be months rather than years.

Time is ticking. Your DD is getting older, and I think you're going to find that starting school will be the real game changer. You won't be able to hide or minimise the awful life your DD is living. Think of all the nativity plays, the harvest assemblies, the parent teacher meetings with your DH turning up drunk and stoned, your child's PE kit stinking of weed and fags, the school trips you won't be able to afford.

I hate to say it, because I promise I'm not usually this harsh, but you know that child in school with the old shabby clothes with yoghurt down the front for a week straight, who smells, who never gets invited to parties because they have no idea how to act or what to do, because they curse and swear and play that Barbie is falling down drunk?

The child that other parents pity, won't invite round, not because the child is a bad child, but because they don't want the association with the druggie parents?

That's going to be your daughter. You're almost there as it is. You may focus on the small points "but my daughter isn't smelly! I wash her clothes!"....but if that washing machine breaks, how long until you scrape enough money for the new one? In your house, drugs and alcohol come first after all

I know many children from average homes, two parents working, a bit skint towards pay day, jobs not much above NMW. Here are the things they have, which your daughter will never have unless you get your act together and leave druggie DH

-Piano lessons

  • Guitar lessons
  • Dance classes
  • Scouts/guides
  • Holidays - even just a weekend camping
  • Days out- the zoo, the steam train, the museum
  • residential school trips
  • Warm, good quality clothes bought whenever they need them
  • Nice toys
  • Sleepovers with friends

Oh, and of course, a secure worry free existence. One where they don't see mummy treated like shit by druggie dad.

I know a lady, a single mum who works as a canteen supervisor and also does some shifts in a care home. Not great money. Her son started a hobby when he was five. He was so talented at that hobby that he is now travelling around Europe to participate in it, and is already being offered different grants /scholarships with a view to doing it professionally. Luckily it is at a stage where it pays for itself, but for years his mum scrimped every penny so he could continue to pursue the hobby and utilise his talent. In ten years, all going well, he'll be potentially earning more money in a month than his mum has made in a year.

Now I know that is a unique situation, but my point is this: that boy is in a fantastic position due to his mum giving him opportunities, chances to try his hand at something. It's now turning into a career. Even if it hadn't, the point is she gave him a chance, despite not having much herself.

You are giving your daughter no chances. You are taking her chances, her opportunities in life away from her, because you are allowing her to live in a home where she is not put first, where her health, confidence, self esteem will be irrevocably damaged by the fucked up situation you see as normal.

I know it's not easy. But nothing in life is easy. Being a good parent is not easy at the best of times. But women, right now, are walking miles across deserts to give their children a better chance. They are sailing across miles of sea on cheap rubber dinghies to give their children a better chance. If they can be brave and do the right thing for their children, then so can you

DistanceCall · 24/11/2016 21:00

But women, right now, are walking miles across deserts to give their children a better chance. They are sailing across miles of sea on cheap rubber dinghies to give their children a better chance. If they can be brave and do the right thing for their children, then so can you

This.

Myusernameismyusername · 24/11/2016 21:13

But women, right now, are walking miles across deserts to give their children a better chance. They are sailing across miles of sea on cheap rubber dinghies to give their children a better chance. If they can be brave and do the right thing for their children, then so can you

Chokes me a little, this pure fight in these women for a better life for their children shows exactly why this is so selfish to settle for a crappy life and how bloody lucky you are to have so mang opportunities open to you and selfish to not take any of them

user1471455262 · 24/11/2016 21:14

What would you do if your DP wasn't here? You'd pick yourself up and do your best
to give DD everything you both dreamed about when you were pg, right?

Well, your DP actually ISN'T here. Instead you have Junkie Partner who doesn't really give a toss about providing properly for DD as long as he has his addictions provided for.

The good news for you is that your DP is still there, somewhere under Junkie Partner. He's not dead and irretrivable. But to bring him back YOU have to make it happen. You have to take away this comfortable crutch of a half life you are all living, including your DD.

Instead of being content with crumbs for her, be greedy. Want ALL of the fabulous man and father you say you married, not this pathetic imitation.

The only way to shake him out of his stupor is to LEAVE. NOW.

SestraClone · 24/11/2016 21:19

This thread is horrific. That poor, sweet child. My heart breaks for her :(

But women, right now, are walking miles across deserts to give their children a better chance. They are sailing across miles of sea on cheap rubber dinghies to give their children a better chance.

These women are the ones who deserve our sympathy and our help.

Every child should be warm, fed, happy and secure. As a bare minimum. OP, you struggle to provide even one of those 4 things :(

Terraviva · 24/11/2016 23:42

OP - I think you're being given an excessively hard time here. You do sound like a good mum to me. The current situation is absolutely sub-optimal for sure, and you know that... Which is why you're here. You've been given fantastic advice, which you have listened to. Your thoughtful and respectful responses, especially to comments which must be so painful to read, have impressed me. It's clear how much you've progressed since the day you started the thread. So keep your head high, and keep the momentum going...

You DH sounds like someone who was once quite 'cool' and creative, and as someone said (I can't remember who), you're still in love with young him. Now though he is treating you and your daughter appallingly now though - he may have had a terrible year, but enough if enough. He is breaking his wedding vows to you by choosing weed and booze over his family. If he cannot see that's the problem, you can't help him.

Keep strong. Let that anger grow inside you... You'll need its energy to make the changes needed. For what it's worth I agree with everyone else - you should leave him, asap. I cannot imagine how else he will find the energy he needs to sort himself out. He needs the shock. Tough love.

I hope next week provides the catalyst you need. Best of luck to you and your daughter Flowers

teawamutu · 25/11/2016 22:48

Red, I've read all your threads and I'm rooting for you and your dd, because it sounds like a miserable half-existence for both of you.

This might come out wrong, but I'm wondering if starting these threads and coming back for more and more criticism is becoming your way of feeling you're doing something about it? I remember reading that people who 'like' charity pages on Facebook are less likely to give actual money, because they kid themselves that by liking the page they've somehow done their bit. Is it at all possible that you're doing something similar?

Lots and lots of pixels are being used up, and they're not going to run out any time soon so that's fine. But what changes would your dd notice over the last few weeks?

sarahnova69 · 26/11/2016 14:57

red, how are you?

I'll be honest, I'm still in two minds about all of this. I'm starting to wonder if being passive and courting criticism is your emotional 'safe space' and you've gone and recreated another one in this thread to match the one in your relationship and the one gifted to you by your parents. Maybe what you fear above all is actually being in control of your life and taking action, and you seek out people to criticise you any time you're tempted to change so you can tell yourself it's hopeless and you can't.

I still think you should call SS, and that they are your best shot at triggering change, keeping your daughter, and helping your husband. If you don't have the courage, PM me your details and I'll do it.

I'm not going to criticise you any more. But I am going to tell you this: you chose this life, you are actively choosing it every day, and it is and always has been in your control to choose differently.

MsHooliesCardigan · 29/11/2016 11:21

Hi Red Did he manage to abstain yesterday?

zznotxy · 30/11/2016 08:39

Red, you ok?

MrsDustyBusty · 30/11/2016 08:46

I've been thinking about you too, Red. Hope you're OK today.

MsHooliesCardigan · 30/11/2016 12:11

Red Please contact WA. They absolutely won't give you a hard time for not having left unlike some of us on this thread (including me). They recognise that it can take years for women to wake up to the fact that they are in an abusive relationship and then it can be a long time and many attempts before the woman actually leaves, if she ever does.
Our frustration is for your DD. Please carry on posting. Am I right in thinking that your silence means his abstinence attempt didn't work? At least let us know you're ok.

RedStripeIassie · 30/11/2016 12:22

Sorry if I worried anyone. We are fine. I've jumped off the thread because I couldn't handle it anymore. It seemed to be getting a bit out of hand. ms hoolies I pm'd you yesterday.