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I caught DH out tonight

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CarrieMayBe · 10/11/2016 04:09

There's such a long back story to our marriage - been together just over 20yrs, married for 13.5yrs. 4 DCs.

Things been rocky for a number of years and we did actually split for 7 months just over 3yrs ago. During that time separated I got myself lots of help for the PND that I'd been suffering from for years and became a new person. DH evaluated himself too and said he could see his faults and promised to work on them if there was a chance of us getting back together. Also, our youngest daughter who was 5 at the time really struggled to cope with our split. She was hysterical whenever DH dropped her back home after his weekend of having the DCs, to the point he literally had to drag her out of his house and into mine. I tried to get her counselling but neither the school or the GP could arrange it, lack of services in our area apparently.

Anyway, the guilt over how it was affecting DD coupled with the fact that our time apart had made us realise that we did indeed have something good worth trying again for meant we gave our marriage another shot.

DH moved back in, things were really good for a few months but then they began to slip. DH started drinking heavily again (always a big issue between us) blaming the stress of work as usual. We totally by accident ended up seeing a house to buy that we fell head over heels in love with. We weren't looking to move even but decided it would be a fresh start and a forever home for us. The purchase was far from plain sailing due to various legal issues and to cut a long story short we only moved in in May this year, 14 months after actually buying it. The legal issues still haven't been resolved and we are under huge financial strain because of it. DH is self employed and I'm a SAHM so the pressure to keep up with the horrendous costs is all on him. I totally understand this and have been fully supportive.

Due to the stress of the past 2yrs things have become bad between us again. We don't have sex, we barely talk and although we have periods of things being good between us most of the time we just co-exist in the same house. It can be horrible and so lonely. DH doesn't do emotions or affection in any shape or form, he can with the kids but not me. He accepts this as a fault of his and claims that's just who he is. It leads to resentment on my part and I find it hard to be physically attracted to someone who makes no effort with me at other times.

For the past few weeks I've noticed he's been careful with his phone. Little things like if it's on charge in the kitchen for example, a room that I'm usually in, he will put it on flight mode so new messages can't come in. I can hear it buzzing at other times to show he has a message and he hates texting, really uses it as a last resort kind of communication. I've suspected he's talking to another woman. Tonight he fell asleep whilst putting youngest DC to bed and I went to wake him up. I saw his phone on the side and picked it up to give to him and as I moved it the screen lit up and there was a message - I couldn't see what it said but there were lots of ..... in the paragraph and emoticons. Believe me, none of his mates would send a message with content like that, not their style at all.

So I pulled him up on it, told him I knew it was from a woman and, to cut a very long night indeed short, I have finally had most of the truth out of him. Yes he's been in contact with a woman he met through work. It's been going on 6 months. They've had sex at least once that I know of (he's still not telling me everything I'm sure, he says he doesn't want to keep hurting me but the not knowing is making it harder) which he admitted happened when he'd spent a night at a hotel with her.

I'm devastated. He keeps telling me our marriage was all but over, I've withheld sex from him so what did I expect, he was weak and couldn't help it...all the standard stuff. I've been out for a drive on my own where I spent an hour driving down dark country lanes screaming at the top of my lungs that I hate him and he's a cunt. I've cried til I have no tears left. I haven't slept at all. I just don't know what to do now. We both promised all our DC that we'd never put them through a split again, and now we will. I know we're over, but I don't want us to be. I know our marriage was in serious trouble, I suggested going to relate during the summer but he brushed it off...of course he was shagging her at that point. He says he doesn't want to be with her, she's married too (pair of charmers aren't they?). I was hoping that after getting the shit with the house sorted next year we could concentrate our efforts on getting us back on track, I've already booked a break away for just the two of us next summer. Not enough I know but the intention is there, just mixed up in all the stress I suppose. I know I'm not blameless in this and have accepted that when talking with him tonight although I still don't think it excuses what he's done. I know DD will never cope with this break up. Added to that we still are living in a house we legally aren't allowed to live in.

Sorry this is so long and probably incoherent. I don't want to drip feed though if I can help it.

What a fucking mess. Please hold my hand.

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Gildedcage · 15/11/2016 16:53

It definitely wouldn't feel any better if she was; fat, old, ugly...insert whichever. Really it wouldn't. You would still sit there and think he thought so little of you that he went wit whichever combination of the above...again you would feel like it reflects in someway on you.

Really it doesn't. He made a choice. If he were unhappy etc he should have spoken to you, he chose to have intimacy with someone else. Whatever she looks like she's still a liar, unless of course her dh knows she's sleeping with another man?

I think some counselling would be great for you. It will certainly take the focus away from his choices and help you start thinking about your own.

mysinkingheart · 15/11/2016 17:13

Just wanted to add that I can see that you're doing your best to be fair to him in what you're telling us, and that shows just how great your values are.

But it's time to be fair on yourself now. I know you need to understand why but he might not be conscious of the underlying reasons himself. So don't drag yourself down with what ifs.

Agree with gildedcage about counselling if you feel ready for it. I also found it useful to write down all the comments on mumsnet that resonated. It helped me stay strong when he started trying to charm lie his way back in....

And again, baby steps. In the middle of it all we can feel a sense of urgency. But that tends to be the unfaithful other making us feel like we absolutely have to get over it cos they're soooo sorry (read, don't want to face the consequences)..so do things in your own time, not his.

CarrieMayBe · 15/11/2016 17:32

I absolutely am struggling to believe they only had sex once. Totally. But he's admitted he had another night where he went out with mates but sidled off early to continue drinking with her. He came home at 3am. I said I find it incredulous that they didn't have sex but he says no - why wouldn't he admit it? It doesn't make it any worse surely? It's the texts that bother me more than the sex though, him spending his evenings talking to her and not me. Him taking himself off to another room to text her. Or worse, doing it in the same room as me. It's the relationship between them I can't handle, not the sex.

You're right, if she was hideous I'd be thinking was she really worth all this for? How could that be better than me? I guess it's a no win situation, pretty or otherwise. It's the fact she had his mind for 6 months, that's what hurts.

I'd love some counselling but how do I find someone good? I was referred by GP last time we split and we'd actually got back together before I reached the top of the waiting list. How do I find someone myself?

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mysinkingheart · 15/11/2016 17:47

Yes the texts are so much more intimate than a ONS, that's hurtful and I feel for you. My ex used a "line" on her that he'd said to me in the past, very deep and affectionate, heart-breaking at the time. No amount of crocodile tears could make me see him for anything but a crocodile after that. No offence to crocodiles.

I'll PM you about counselling if you don't mind, don't want to out myself. Great that you're up for it.

CarrieMayBe · 15/11/2016 17:49

Lol at 'no offence to crocodiles' 😂 That must've hurt, I take it you read the texts between them? I wish I had, at least I'd have a clear idea of what exactly their relationship was about.

I'll check my inbox, thank you Flowers

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mysinkingheart · 15/11/2016 18:11

Oh I was raging Carrie It was so humiliating as I didn't even need to check his phone - she put a semi nude photo of herself on his public myspace page (lol showing my age) saying "happy chrismas wink kiss". I'd just got out of hospital and he'd asked me to look at the page as it had been redone and was "for his work". So he wantes me to notice...nasty.

After that I broke my own code of conduct and read his emails. Just two. One from her saying "it should never have happened!" and other dramatic bs. And the other from him saying I know, don't worry, and yes I'll still be your friend. Like he was doing her a massive favour! Narcissistic idiot.

I then wrote to her with a photo of my beautiful DS who was only 2.

I was like a mad woman it was so painful. But now I just can't believe it happened. Like he drove a bulldozer into an otherwise really happy life I'd had until meeting him. It was already flattened before he did that. He was punishing me for not putting up with him being bad to me. That was it. His bulldozer, his twisted thinking. My share in the whole thing was being too accepting...

mysinkingheart · 15/11/2016 18:13

And that was just the first time. Second and last time my code of conduct re reading texts no longer applied to him

wheresthewine36 · 15/11/2016 19:24

No words of wisdom, just wanted to let you know that it does get easier over time. Reading the thread actually made me feel sick, took me right back to when I was in a similar position - I remember the pain very well. I thought I would never get over it. I have. You will.xxx

ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess · 15/11/2016 19:38

sinking Bulldozer is very apt. I've dealt with two deaths of loved ones but nothing quite fucked me over like this. How do you learn to trust again?

mysinkingheart · 15/11/2016 23:24

It is hard to rebuild trust Jess but it can be done. I guess I don't trust people as easily as I did before but that's turning out to be a good thing, makes for a simpler life.
Starts with trusting yourself again and being kind to yourself. By no longer wondering to yourself if there's something wrong with you, by noticing all the little positive gestures that show not everyone is dishonest. I nearly slipped into another damaging relationship after the big bad one because I didn't take enough time to get my boundaries water tight. Had a thread about it only recently. But no more rescuing now, no more excusing bad behaviour or trying to work it out. Now my close friends and family say I'm like my old self again. And I can see that this has brought trustworthy people into my life naturally.
It really helps to make space and time to get yourself back. I think it's about trusting and relying on your own values.
Carrie I hope you're doing ok? About to fall asleep but thinking of you.

CarrieMayBe · 16/11/2016 06:34

I feel so sad this morning. Another night of very little sleep. When will it stop hurting?

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mysinkingheart · 16/11/2016 08:40

Hi Carrie, hang in there {hugs}
It comes in waves but it will ease off, don't fight it as you need to grieve.
Sometimes it's hard to separate things out in your head, but do you think it's hurting so much because you truly love him (and betrayal by a loved one is the pits) or somehow you feel she's "better" than you? At times it can be both I know...
In the first case, it will take a while to feel better because it's just the lowest feeling to be lied to and mistreated by someone you love. But can you continue loving someone who behaves like that? He twists the truth and didn't respect your family...
In the second case, just no. She isn't and this is not a competition. Don't play into it by saying you should have been prettier or whatever. I know in some ways society can seem to be against us because of norms of beauty etc. But we all know that it's just about getting us to buy stuff. And even if you look like miss world he's still going to be someone who doesn't deal with issues in a healthy, loving, respectful way. There is no acceptable excuse to cheat. End of.
A wise MNer (AF) told me to stay angry and that is the best advice ever. It gives you the drive to do what it takes to protect yourself and the children from toxic mess. It's just energy, not a bad emotion. So I noted the stuff down that was unacceptable and stayed angry. Even now, when he tries to mess me around on custody stuff the anger comes back like a wee friend that helps me be emotionally detached and a different person to the one I am with other people...so stay angry, fun the fumes even. Doesn't mean being abusive or even talking to him (in fact, avoid talking to him if possible, it's too fresh).
Another piece of MN advice I o down: if this was happening to your daughter, what would you tell her? Flowers
did you get my PM by the way?

mysinkingheart · 16/11/2016 08:42

"fan" the fumes not fun argh

Gildedcage · 16/11/2016 09:17

Someone further up the thread made a really good point. You will learn to have trust in you. Trust your choices.

Ultimately you are going through a grieving process. Not just for your past but for the future that you thought you would share. In a way betrayal is almost worse than a death because when someone dies you get to hold onto all those happy memories. Betrayal makes you feel like some of those things were lies and casts a dark shadow on once happy memories.

This will be a hard process. But you will get through it. My only advice is live in the now, a day at a time. You have a bad day today...try again tomorrow. An acceptance of being unable to effect or change other people's choices or actions will come. But for the moment you must allow yourself time to grieve, unfortunately you can't circumnavigate the process. I feel for you, I really do. If you can get some good counselling it will make a massive difference to how you feel.

CarrieMayBe · 16/11/2016 14:23

MSH I did get your pm yes, I'm so sorry I actually had forgotten I'd even read it Blush I will look into the suggestions, we live in the arse end of nowhere so I'm not even sure any of them exist within easy reach.

I do need to stay angry. And it is helping. Trouble is, I want to vent that anger at him and I can't leave him alone. I'm constantly texting him with digs and questions. He just responds with one word answers and I know he doesn't want to fan the flames and provoke me. How do I just shut him out? I cut up the rest of his clothes today, including his only coat. I'm so glad it's winter! Despite wanting to hate him - and I do, I really do - I still love him to a certain extent. Is that possible?

It comes in waves yes, there are times I know I can do this. I know I will be happy again and may even find someone else who be can be all the things he just could not. I do quite well following these thoughts and even starting to believe them and then I think of what this will do to the kids and my world just collapses. He told me back at the beginning of the year that he couldn't love me like I deserve to be loved. I don't even know what that means really, he didn't really explain it but he has said he'll never adore me but uses his lack of emotional capability to explain it away. Like he's not capable of adoring anyone, not just me. I think it's just me though.

As if things couldn't be any worse, I popped in to make my dad some lunch and he'd shit himself everywhere. Sorry for the TMI but I just cried and cried. I didn't let him see me as he was mortified but I just thought I cannot physically or mentally take any more. And I've just had to pick my youngest up from school as he has ear ache. I just want to shut myself away and grieve, alone.

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Gildedcage · 16/11/2016 14:58

Do you have any close friends or a sister who you could have a good cry and a hug with.

You've got a lot going on. A really good, messy cry will be cleansing. I feel for you, you've got the cap with your dh and a poorly dad.

Could you have at least one night a week where you do something? Just something for you. Doesn't have to be big, go for a swim or something. Just a way of recharging your batteries. It's very wearing if you've got no outlet.

Remember while it's good to be angry, you may have to work up to that to sustain it. Be kind to yourself and just remember tomorrow's another day

CarrieMayBe · 16/11/2016 15:05

I'm going to see my best friend on Sunday, was meant to be tonight but I don't want DH here looking after the kids at the moment. I'm hoping by the weekend I'll feel easier about it. I don't speak to my sister, we fell out 3yrs ago at the time DH and I split last time. To be fair we never had the sort of relationship where I could turn to her without any judgement.

I have all day to myself usually when there are no unwell children! To do anything of an evening would require him coming here to be with the kids and in not ready for him in the house again.

One day at a time. That's all I can do right now.

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mysinkingheart · 16/11/2016 21:41

Hi Carrie, that's good news about seeing your friend on Sunday. Whatever small steps you can take to look after yourself are really important.
Keep it up with the thoughts about meeting someone else, of course you will. It doesn't matter that it's not for the near future but just imagining it and wanting it will help.

I'm sorry about your Dad, that must have been distressing on top of everything. But it's so positive that you're thinking of him despite everything. Those are valuable qualities you have Flowers

Re counselling, if you're in an isolated place maybe check online as you might be able to speak to someone over the phone. And of you have time free in the day you could read up on stuff to help build confidence? Or listen to inspiring speakers online? Anything that makes you feel good and that's unrelated to what's happened.

And try not to engage with him emotionally. I know it's difficult to pull off when part of you wants to hurt him back but do it for your own sake. No more explaining to him what healthy behaviour looks like, if he could understand that this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Wishing you lots of strength for each day and it will get better. Flowers

mysinkingheart · 17/11/2016 17:31

How are you today Carrie? Flowers

Giselaw · 17/11/2016 18:33

You... Cut up his clothes and his only coat Shock?

danTDM · 17/11/2016 22:04

He had an exit affair. Flowers

wheresthewine36 · 18/11/2016 08:15

Giselaw...Yes, and?! He destroyed their family, a coat and clothes is the very least he can expect to lose!

aquamarine2 · 18/11/2016 13:32

thats the problem, we never think it will happen to us.

I could have written this myself OP. In same situation myself although we have no kids of our own. Still hurts like hell though. My OH was seeing OW for a month. I found a receipt and he really had no place to hide, although he tried.

That was in September. He is still in my house and I still don't know how to proceed. Cry most days still, and seem to have had major personality change. Im snappy with all and shutting out friends.

Im trying to resolve issues with him but it is very difficult when the subject is taboo. Its almost like, I have told you, have said sorry, have ended affair (so he says), am staying in more, so get over it. I cant. I need more answers, much more . This ends up with me losing it and throwing it back in his face.

Like yours, he is also an emotional retard. I have said that I need reassurances and to feel safe and loved, but he says he doesn't know how to help. Rubbish. He either cant be bothered or he doesn't want to. Almost seems like he is sulking because I have taken his sweeties away.

Anyway, you are not on your own. If its any help, I was advised to not put any pressure on myself to make any rash decisions. There are so many emotions to go through before you are clear enough in your mind to decide.

good luck xxxxx

AliceC92 · 18/11/2016 13:50

Aqua marine 2, the exact same is happening to me and we have two kids together. Amazing how all these men spout the same shit. I want to so badly work it out with my ex as we have been together since 15 and we are soon 25. Hurts like hell, he just comes and goes when he pleases and says he's "trying to change how he feels"'so stops at our house every other night and goes out to the pub with his mates on his nights. How do you find the strength to just tell them to piss off? He just doesn't show he cares. Hold on in there ladies.

aquamarine2 · 18/11/2016 14:08

alice, yes it does hurt and no, they don't seem to care. Most of the time he looks at me like a rabbit caught in the headlights and cant say I blame him. Im scaring myself at the moment.

He tells me that he doesn't love her, but she made him feel 'alive' and that he had been 'so unhappy'. Says he wasnt looking for affair, but really, why else do you go out on your own with your mates all the time.
Mine has always done his own thing and I have been pretty accepting of this.

To my mind, you either fix a relationship or leave if there are problems. Infidelity is a massive no no.

It wasn't even a one night stand, a flipping month, he would take her out etc and then come home and act as if all rosy in the camp. Now he cant understand why Im like a cat on a hot tin roof whenever he goes out.

He also said some pretty nasty things to me when all this blew up and I am continually replaying this in my head.

As said, when my current mental state of mind slows down, will decide on how my future will be.