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I caught DH out tonight

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CarrieMayBe · 10/11/2016 04:09

There's such a long back story to our marriage - been together just over 20yrs, married for 13.5yrs. 4 DCs.

Things been rocky for a number of years and we did actually split for 7 months just over 3yrs ago. During that time separated I got myself lots of help for the PND that I'd been suffering from for years and became a new person. DH evaluated himself too and said he could see his faults and promised to work on them if there was a chance of us getting back together. Also, our youngest daughter who was 5 at the time really struggled to cope with our split. She was hysterical whenever DH dropped her back home after his weekend of having the DCs, to the point he literally had to drag her out of his house and into mine. I tried to get her counselling but neither the school or the GP could arrange it, lack of services in our area apparently.

Anyway, the guilt over how it was affecting DD coupled with the fact that our time apart had made us realise that we did indeed have something good worth trying again for meant we gave our marriage another shot.

DH moved back in, things were really good for a few months but then they began to slip. DH started drinking heavily again (always a big issue between us) blaming the stress of work as usual. We totally by accident ended up seeing a house to buy that we fell head over heels in love with. We weren't looking to move even but decided it would be a fresh start and a forever home for us. The purchase was far from plain sailing due to various legal issues and to cut a long story short we only moved in in May this year, 14 months after actually buying it. The legal issues still haven't been resolved and we are under huge financial strain because of it. DH is self employed and I'm a SAHM so the pressure to keep up with the horrendous costs is all on him. I totally understand this and have been fully supportive.

Due to the stress of the past 2yrs things have become bad between us again. We don't have sex, we barely talk and although we have periods of things being good between us most of the time we just co-exist in the same house. It can be horrible and so lonely. DH doesn't do emotions or affection in any shape or form, he can with the kids but not me. He accepts this as a fault of his and claims that's just who he is. It leads to resentment on my part and I find it hard to be physically attracted to someone who makes no effort with me at other times.

For the past few weeks I've noticed he's been careful with his phone. Little things like if it's on charge in the kitchen for example, a room that I'm usually in, he will put it on flight mode so new messages can't come in. I can hear it buzzing at other times to show he has a message and he hates texting, really uses it as a last resort kind of communication. I've suspected he's talking to another woman. Tonight he fell asleep whilst putting youngest DC to bed and I went to wake him up. I saw his phone on the side and picked it up to give to him and as I moved it the screen lit up and there was a message - I couldn't see what it said but there were lots of ..... in the paragraph and emoticons. Believe me, none of his mates would send a message with content like that, not their style at all.

So I pulled him up on it, told him I knew it was from a woman and, to cut a very long night indeed short, I have finally had most of the truth out of him. Yes he's been in contact with a woman he met through work. It's been going on 6 months. They've had sex at least once that I know of (he's still not telling me everything I'm sure, he says he doesn't want to keep hurting me but the not knowing is making it harder) which he admitted happened when he'd spent a night at a hotel with her.

I'm devastated. He keeps telling me our marriage was all but over, I've withheld sex from him so what did I expect, he was weak and couldn't help it...all the standard stuff. I've been out for a drive on my own where I spent an hour driving down dark country lanes screaming at the top of my lungs that I hate him and he's a cunt. I've cried til I have no tears left. I haven't slept at all. I just don't know what to do now. We both promised all our DC that we'd never put them through a split again, and now we will. I know we're over, but I don't want us to be. I know our marriage was in serious trouble, I suggested going to relate during the summer but he brushed it off...of course he was shagging her at that point. He says he doesn't want to be with her, she's married too (pair of charmers aren't they?). I was hoping that after getting the shit with the house sorted next year we could concentrate our efforts on getting us back on track, I've already booked a break away for just the two of us next summer. Not enough I know but the intention is there, just mixed up in all the stress I suppose. I know I'm not blameless in this and have accepted that when talking with him tonight although I still don't think it excuses what he's done. I know DD will never cope with this break up. Added to that we still are living in a house we legally aren't allowed to live in.

Sorry this is so long and probably incoherent. I don't want to drip feed though if I can help it.

What a fucking mess. Please hold my hand.

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CoolCarrie · 13/11/2016 20:28

It Will get better, please believe us here. So many of us have been down this road.

CarrieMayBe · 13/11/2016 20:31

I don't want to be without him though, I have no control over this at all and everything has been snatched away from me.

Every hope I had for the future has gone. I don't want to continue living because I know that it will haunt me forever what he's done. I have never hurt like this and I just want it to end.

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PurpleThursday · 13/11/2016 20:37

Look at it this way carrie at the moment you actually have more control than you have had in a long time. You know the score.

There is a way through this - I am a v happy single mum that doesn't have to doubt and question everything anymore - including myself.

One day at a time and be kind to yourself.

Zaphodsotherhead · 13/11/2016 20:49

Every hope you had for a particular future has gone, but there will be other futures, you just can't see them yet. You are grieving for a death, the death of your relationship. Yes, you love him, but you can't live with him for the present.

Could you cope by breaking it down into steps? He leaves, but you 'see how it goes', rather than torture yourself with what he might be doing when he's gone? If he really loves you and really doesn't want to lose the children he will leave the house but be there for you, for them, every moment he's needed. If he starts being unavailable, then you will know for certain that he's not truthful about wanting to save what you have.

You can't live the rest of your life stapled to his side just to make sure he doesn't cheat again. That's no kind of life for you. You are still shocked to the core (been there, got several T shirts, none of which fit now) you need time to regain your equilibrium, and you can't do that while trying to 'manage' him. Get some space. Catch your breath.

CarrieMayBe · 13/11/2016 20:53

I would give anything to turn back the clock. I took it for granted that he'd always be there, however bad things got we'd be ok because we're us...we've always pulled it back from the brink. Nothing has ever been unfixable.

Until now.

If he goes then that will be it. I can't 'see how it goes' because once I've dropped the bomb with the DCs that daddy is leaving then I cannot ever move him back in like I did before. I'd lose their trust forever I think. Theyve been there, done that. If he goes, it's the end.

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ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess · 13/11/2016 21:48

This is the worst bit carrie, honestly. I'm still struggling five months on, but it is SO much more bearable than those initial couple of weeks. It's not that level of intensity any more. I still feel sad but it's not "I can't cope" sad any more, if that makes sense?

I still love the twat, but I'm okay with that. It's just a feeling, an emotion. Sometimes I wonder what will happen if I never stop loving him, and then I figure "So what? Who will it hurt if I feel this way? As long as I'm not hurting my child, myself or him, what's the big deal? I'm allowed to feel whatever I feel, as long as it doesn't harm me or anyone else". I like to think someone else will arrive on the scene eventually, who will be, to quote Lady Gaga, "A bigger, and a better man".

It's so so hard, and he has two choices - get his shit together or leave. And know that he'll never have anyone quite like you again.

CarrieMayBe · 14/11/2016 15:52

That makes total sense Jess. I wish I could either rewind 6 months or fast forward 6 months. Obviously going back in time I'd need to know what I know now.

Anyway, he has gone. I packed his stuff and took it to work, I didn't want him doing it here as it would've been too easy to start talking/arguing etc. I did say one thing to him though, I told him to have a long hard think about why he wants to stay with me. Is it because he sees a future with me and him together and happy or is it because he can't handle the guilt of what he's done to me? I do believe he's genuinely tortured by watching me like this and I think that's what's forcing him to stay.

I'm not telling the kids just yet. For one I'm just not strong enough and secondly if there is any chance, however small, of us reconciling then I cannot fuck with their emotions like that. Again.

I feel completely numb. I did lots of crying earlier but now I just feel indifferent. Today is the first day since I found out that I've got to collect the kids from school and somehow put a meal on the table, get them to bed on my own. I'm focusing on that at the moment.

A question to those that have been through this - why am I physically unable to eat? I understand the lack of appetite thing but I actually can't swallow food. I tried a piece of toast late last night as I was so weak and dizzy not having eaten since Friday but I only managed some of it as I was scared I'd choke. Haven't tried anything since Sad

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adora1 · 14/11/2016 16:12

Carrie, try a straw with soup?

You are doing the right thing, if you do reconcile it needs to be for the right reason, not just for kid's sake.

In his head he checked out and gave himself permission to get into bed with another woman, but he did this without your consent or agreement or any communication - for six months until he got caught, do not forget that, it's also about whether you will want a future with him and I don't think right now you can possibly decide that.

PurpleThursday · 14/11/2016 16:13

Well done Carrie you are taking some control back.

When I had times like this I made sure I was drinking plenty, even things like milk shakes or protein shakes if you can.

Your appetite will return. It's all one day at a time. Get through school pick ups and tea etc and that is another positive tick in the box.

Well done again, keep going Flowers

user1471535250 · 14/11/2016 17:47

Saw your msg on other thread and was touched. Realised this is your story and now more so. Again, just wanted to give you a hug X

Hotwaterbottle1 · 14/11/2016 17:59

Try some smoothies if you can or protein shakes, just to keep your strength up.

FantasticButtocks · 14/11/2016 18:30

Make yourself a hot chocolate, don't drink it while it's too hot, it will relax your throat and give you a few calories. The being unable to swallow thing is, I believe, anxiety, that's why you feel like you're going to choke. Hot choc. Then graduate in to chicken noodle soup maybe...could you also try some 7/11 breathing, sit in comfy chair, focus on something in the room, corner of mantelpiece or whatever, then breathe in slowly while counting to 7, then let the breath out quite slowly while counting to 11, then repeat.

MatildaTheCat · 14/11/2016 18:36

Try not to worry about eating too much. It's the effect of being flooded with adrenaline. Fight or flight is the body's response to severe danger or shock and eating goes out of the window. Drink fluids and try to take time to breathe deeply and calmly to rebalance your body.

You will be fine looking after the DC, make sure you take care of yourself, too. Can you have a quiet bath later and some peaceful time before trying to get some sleep?

CarrieMayBe · 14/11/2016 19:00

I feel calm for the first time since this happened. Without him around I seem to be able to shut the horrible thoughts out of my mind. I should've listened to you all and kicked him out straight away. I'm still over thinking things and I occasionally go on a long-winded thinking session where I go over and over all sorts but I can also shut down if I don't want to be thinking about them if that makes sense? I'm sure the hardest part will be in the dark of the night when I haven't got the kids to distract me and keep me busy.

I've got through picking the kids up and tea time, just bed time to do.

Funnily enough I did just have a hot choc but it was one of those options things and I don't think it's going to sustain me! I haven't eaten at all. This would be good if I were overweight but I now weigh 6.5 stone so cannot afford to lose any more Sad

Thank you all for continuing to hold my hand Flowers

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Alfiemoon1 · 14/11/2016 20:28

Carrie I posted earlier I was going through a similar thing at the moment. I found it easier once dh had left i concentrated on what needed doing for the kids and everything felt calmer. I totally understand the not eating my Ibs was playing up and I just couldn't eat I think it is anxiety but that is improving now he's left. Good luck and look after yourself

CarrieMayBe · 14/11/2016 20:30

Thank you. Has a decision been made in your situation?

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Alfiemoon1 · 14/11/2016 20:38

No not yet. I don't think my dh has slept with ow it was flirty texts that I found uncomfortable and he is not prepared to stop contact as he insists nothing is going on but I can't help the way I feel and fly into a rage every time he texts her so slightly different to you. we are talking but then he adds another spanner in the works like he's deleted all their texts and has continued to text her while we are apart so I am taking a few days out to think

Bumshkawahwah · 14/11/2016 23:02

Carrie, I just posted a very similar post to this and totally get all the things you are feeling. I couldn't get out of bed today. I haven't eaten since yesterday morning. I feel normal for a split second and then it all washes over me again. My DH is currently packing a bag as I need his to go away for the next few days. I can't do all the house/family/school stuff with him here. When I see him, I can't be normal, I wasn't to punch him in the face.

I just want it all to not have happened.

PurpleThursday · 14/11/2016 23:04

Flowers and Wine to all of you that are struggling at the moment with such difficult emotional situations.

It does get better, it really, really does.

FantasticButtocks · 14/11/2016 23:35

If you've only got 'options' hot chocolate, melt a bar of chocolate or a flake into one and top up with more warm milk. You need some fuel even if you can't eat.

CarrieMayBe · 15/11/2016 08:09

Bumshkawahwah I've searched but can't find your thread. Can you link it for me? I'm so sorry you're going through this, I hate to think there is anybody out there feeling like I do right now.

Feeling awful this morning, so sick and dizzy. I have to take dad to a Drs appt at 10 which is good as a distraction but all I want to do is go back to bed.

I'm going to see my best friend tomorrow evening, she texted me yesterday asking how things are and said she was worried about me. She's not great at contact but has always been there when I've needed her and I need her now. Hopefully talking to someone I can be 100% honest about everything with will be cathartic.

Kids think DH is working late and going in early. Can't keep this up forever so will have to make a decision one way or another by the end of the week.

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Iamdobby63 · 15/11/2016 08:24

Don't put too much pressure on yourself to make a decision by the end of the week, you may not be ready by then.

Is it possible that he can go and stay somewhere for a couple of weeks? I know that would concern you but clearly if he is going to do something he will regardless of whether he is sharing a bed with you or not.

Can you go to counselling? I think it would help you to sit and just talk, they can't make a decision for you but may help you get through this. I doubt you would find anything quickly on NHS so you will probably need to pay.

If you can only manage hot drinks then try making them with whole milk, do try and eat something with it even if it's only half a biscuit.

I am sorry you are going through this, been there, done that, there is light at the end of the tunnel. It's not you it's him!

CarrieMayBe · 15/11/2016 09:21

He doesn't have anywhere to go. His mum has said he can go to hers, she told him she hates what he's done but she wouldn't see him without anywhere to go. He won't go because he knows they'll give him hell, MIL has been there herself and she's been so lovely to me about all this. He's sleeping at work, no doubt drinking himself into oblivion and probably in contact with her but I'm starting to accept that if he's going to do it then he's going to do it.

I'm gluten intolerant so eating simple things like a biscuit isn't possible. I could try and get some gluten free ones I suppose. I just can't face anything but it's getting scary now as earlier I didn't think I'd be able to drive the kids to school. Will try a milky drink later after I've taken dad to Drs.

I spoke to my school mum friend just now, I didn't tell her about the affair but told her he'd moved out. She knows we've not been happy as her marriage is similar at times. She was fantastic offering to have the kids etc so I feel better that someone knows what's going on to a certain extent.

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FantasticButtocks · 15/11/2016 10:38

He doesn't have anywhere to go. His mum has said he can go to hers He does have somewhere to go, he just chooses not to go there. Not your problem. He chooses not to go to his mum's because she's going to tell him off. He is pathetic.

faffalotty · 15/11/2016 11:01

Glad you have some people to lean on. It really does help to have someone that you can be honest with and not have to pretend that everything is ok.

Do try and eat or drink something, maybe something like a yazoo drink? not exactly healthy, but will give you some calories quickly.

You don't have to set yourself a deadline for making a decision. You can make it when you feel ready. Do you have the opportunity to go away at all?