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I caught DH out tonight

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CarrieMayBe · 10/11/2016 04:09

There's such a long back story to our marriage - been together just over 20yrs, married for 13.5yrs. 4 DCs.

Things been rocky for a number of years and we did actually split for 7 months just over 3yrs ago. During that time separated I got myself lots of help for the PND that I'd been suffering from for years and became a new person. DH evaluated himself too and said he could see his faults and promised to work on them if there was a chance of us getting back together. Also, our youngest daughter who was 5 at the time really struggled to cope with our split. She was hysterical whenever DH dropped her back home after his weekend of having the DCs, to the point he literally had to drag her out of his house and into mine. I tried to get her counselling but neither the school or the GP could arrange it, lack of services in our area apparently.

Anyway, the guilt over how it was affecting DD coupled with the fact that our time apart had made us realise that we did indeed have something good worth trying again for meant we gave our marriage another shot.

DH moved back in, things were really good for a few months but then they began to slip. DH started drinking heavily again (always a big issue between us) blaming the stress of work as usual. We totally by accident ended up seeing a house to buy that we fell head over heels in love with. We weren't looking to move even but decided it would be a fresh start and a forever home for us. The purchase was far from plain sailing due to various legal issues and to cut a long story short we only moved in in May this year, 14 months after actually buying it. The legal issues still haven't been resolved and we are under huge financial strain because of it. DH is self employed and I'm a SAHM so the pressure to keep up with the horrendous costs is all on him. I totally understand this and have been fully supportive.

Due to the stress of the past 2yrs things have become bad between us again. We don't have sex, we barely talk and although we have periods of things being good between us most of the time we just co-exist in the same house. It can be horrible and so lonely. DH doesn't do emotions or affection in any shape or form, he can with the kids but not me. He accepts this as a fault of his and claims that's just who he is. It leads to resentment on my part and I find it hard to be physically attracted to someone who makes no effort with me at other times.

For the past few weeks I've noticed he's been careful with his phone. Little things like if it's on charge in the kitchen for example, a room that I'm usually in, he will put it on flight mode so new messages can't come in. I can hear it buzzing at other times to show he has a message and he hates texting, really uses it as a last resort kind of communication. I've suspected he's talking to another woman. Tonight he fell asleep whilst putting youngest DC to bed and I went to wake him up. I saw his phone on the side and picked it up to give to him and as I moved it the screen lit up and there was a message - I couldn't see what it said but there were lots of ..... in the paragraph and emoticons. Believe me, none of his mates would send a message with content like that, not their style at all.

So I pulled him up on it, told him I knew it was from a woman and, to cut a very long night indeed short, I have finally had most of the truth out of him. Yes he's been in contact with a woman he met through work. It's been going on 6 months. They've had sex at least once that I know of (he's still not telling me everything I'm sure, he says he doesn't want to keep hurting me but the not knowing is making it harder) which he admitted happened when he'd spent a night at a hotel with her.

I'm devastated. He keeps telling me our marriage was all but over, I've withheld sex from him so what did I expect, he was weak and couldn't help it...all the standard stuff. I've been out for a drive on my own where I spent an hour driving down dark country lanes screaming at the top of my lungs that I hate him and he's a cunt. I've cried til I have no tears left. I haven't slept at all. I just don't know what to do now. We both promised all our DC that we'd never put them through a split again, and now we will. I know we're over, but I don't want us to be. I know our marriage was in serious trouble, I suggested going to relate during the summer but he brushed it off...of course he was shagging her at that point. He says he doesn't want to be with her, she's married too (pair of charmers aren't they?). I was hoping that after getting the shit with the house sorted next year we could concentrate our efforts on getting us back on track, I've already booked a break away for just the two of us next summer. Not enough I know but the intention is there, just mixed up in all the stress I suppose. I know I'm not blameless in this and have accepted that when talking with him tonight although I still don't think it excuses what he's done. I know DD will never cope with this break up. Added to that we still are living in a house we legally aren't allowed to live in.

Sorry this is so long and probably incoherent. I don't want to drip feed though if I can help it.

What a fucking mess. Please hold my hand.

OP posts:
Diamogs · 11/11/2016 14:38

Oh Carrie SadSadSad you poor thing.

In some ways what has happened is good as it didn't happen in front of the children and now you have hit rock bottom the only way is up.

I was in the same situation last year and I can tell you that it does get easier and better. And fairly quickly.

I know it is easy to say and hard to do, but let go of your need to find out about the OW - it is easy to become obsessed with them but does she really matter? Will it help you feel better if she is younger/prettier? What is she is older/uglier? What she is like is no reflection on you. If Brad Pitt can cheat on some of the most beautiful women in the world then what you look like is no preservation from being cheated on.

Right now you need to focus on you and your DCs. Get your ducks in a row, sort out documents, finances etc.

A year on we are all much happier and more settled - you will be too.

adora1 · 11/11/2016 14:41

Nothing to do with looks, men cheat because they are that way inclined, if they can get away with it, they will do it.

They have no moral compass or value of their marriage, imo.

If they can do it once you now know they are capable of twice or more......the trust is gone forever, yes you may forgive and move on but please do not give back that 100% trust, keep that 1% for yourself in case your world is brought crashing down again by him, in other words, protect yourself.

0dfod · 11/11/2016 15:03

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CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 15:17

I can't imagine ever being happy again. My life has crashed spectacularly in the most unexpected way.

I worked so fucking hard to deal with the depression I'd fought for years and years. I was so much better, I was the old me again. I had more confidence, found a new group of friends, for the first time since being a teenager I had an active social life - everything was looking up. Until we moved here 6 months ago that is. Despite all the issues with the legal side of living in the house I was so excited to move in. It's a beautiful house, acres of land. He turned into an even bigger arsehole within weeks of us moving and I believed him when he blamed it on all the stress. He'd started seeing the OW of course. Things have been miserable since then and now it's going to be even worse and I can feel my MH slipping right back to where I was before. He has taken everything away from me and destroyed me, I'm really struggling to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

I know I keep harping on about the same points when I really should just boot him out and start to live without him. Why can't I do this? I'm so tired I can't think straight, I've had 5 hours sleep in total since 4am on Weds. I'm sinking.

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mumonashoestring · 11/11/2016 15:21

Give yourself a break - I can't think straight when I haven't slept properly, and that's without the stress/misery/emotional torture of what's happened to you over the last couple of days. If he had a shred of decency he'd remove himself from the situation and give you a chance to start finding some balance - is there anyone who can do a bit of straight talking on your behalf and just get him out of the house for a few days (initially) to let you start processing everything?

adora1 · 11/11/2016 15:24

You must surround yourself with people who care and are not him, a good friend, your mum, someone you can trust and he has to go Carrie, all this upset is because he is still there and you are still having to look at him every day!

He's lying to you, do you really believe in six months of a new exciting relationship, probably even more exciting as they are both married that they'd only had sex once in six months, really?

Get him out, then you can get your head clear and think better about what YOU want and if you even want him now, he's not that same person anymore.

And you will get over it, we all have, just takes time but yes it hurts like mad.

CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 15:26

I'm so scared that if he's away from home he'll just end up meeting the OW. He says he won't ever go there again but I don't believe him, I obviously can't trust a word he says. I'm not even sure why it bothers me, if we are over then he can do whatever he likes and I shouldn't care should I?

I don't want anyone else to have him Sad

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adora1 · 11/11/2016 15:29

Understandable but I think for your sanity he must be gone, he's been seeing her whilst with you anyway so at least stop allowing him to have his cake, let him feel some kind of consequence and booting him out is a start.

Then get a friend round and cry on her shoulder.

AnyFucker · 11/11/2016 16:23

There will be a very good reason he didn't want to speak to OW in your presence

He will have told her a crock of shit (your marriage was already over, you are batshit crazy blah blah) and doesn't want her to find out the truth because he is keeping her nicely warm on the backburner for when you STFU and sweep this under the carpet (is what he is hoping for)

If the only reason you don't want to put him out of the house is because you think he will go to her then what does that tell you ?

Throw him out and see how the cards fall

If you really want him (some women can get past this) then he has to start proving from now he is worth it

So far, that is a Big Fat Fail as far as he is concerned

CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 16:53

Ok, so he finally sent her a text. At least I think it was her, could've been his best mate for all I know. It said that his wife had found out everything. He doesn't want to lose her or his children so he won't be contacting her again and she isn't to contact him.

I suppose that's something.

Oh AF you always speak so much sense and I always read your posts and pray that the OP will take notice and see the light. That's what I need to do now isn't it?

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AnyFucker · 11/11/2016 17:03

I would say so. But it's easy for me to say from this angle, love. Thanks

I truly believe you can save yourself a whole lot of heartache by acting decisively now. The outcome would be the same. My way brings it to a head, of course. But personally, I would rather that than dragging it out while your physical and mental health inevitably goes down the toilet.

Just my opinion, of course.

AnyFucker · 11/11/2016 17:06

It would have been better if you had insisted he speak to her while you are there. I think it very telling that he point blank refused to do that.

What would you have previously thought about a man that would dump a woman in such a heartless way ? He has used her and disposed of her like so much rubbish (if that text is to be believed of course...I wonder if you trust him not to follow it up with a "just lie low for a while" message)

I am not saying you should have any sympathy for the OW, not at all.

But a man that behaves like this...to you or to any woman, is not someone I would want to share my one precious life with. Sad

CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 17:27

Oh but I did try to insist AF, I asked, pleaded, begged, cried and screamed at him but he refused to. I cannot get my head around why he's protecting her more than he is me. Apart from the obvious reason of course.

I'm not putting much store in his text, he could've called her beforehand warning her that he has to send this text. So it's all a load of bollocks really isn't it Sad

He's a Grade A arsehole that's for sure.

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chipsandgin · 11/11/2016 17:31

what AF said with bells on.

You are right OP, imagine you were reading that reply a few weeks ago before all this, what would you say to the OP? I feel for you & you are doing well even if it doesn't feel like it right now. flowers.

chipsandgin · 11/11/2016 17:32

And an emoji fail!! Blush

Here we go Flowers

adora1 · 11/11/2016 17:49

So he texted her, that was big of him, he will no doubt of texted her again once you had left his side to say you made him do it.

If he can't even call this woman and tell her in front of you it's over you are really are being a doormat OP, sorry but it's unbelievable the shit he is throwing your way, I don't know how you can even look at him, what a fucken joke, he texted her wow!

AnyFucker · 11/11/2016 18:01

Yes, he is a grade A arsehole

He should be doing what you ask of him. He is failing already on the "I am worth all your pain" scale, isn't he ?

CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 18:18

Sadly yes, he is.

I don't want to be a doormat. I don't want to rip my kids' lives apart either. If we hadn't been through a split before then I would do it like a shot but I'm not strong enough to deal with their pain alongside my own. How can I do something that will make them hurt like I do right now?

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adora1 · 11/11/2016 18:26

Tell them he has gone to spend some time with friends, anything, you don't have to give them any details, just say you are both having some space to work something out, nothing else needs to be told.

If you don't do it you are just doing the same as before and ultimately making his life easy.

The fact he won't even call this woman and call it off tells you everything - has he even offered to go and give you space?

It's HIM who caused this, HIM who will cause any hurt, do not stay with him and be complicit for HIS actions, let him stay if you want but don't do it for the kids, he can surely give you a weekend in peace so you can process your thoughts properly and get support, don't be looking to him for it, he's not your friend right now.

AnyFucker · 11/11/2016 18:30

He did this, not you

If you end it then it will be as a consequence of what he did. He was in full knowledge of what those consequences might be

Making a doormat of yourself to save him from that is not in your own best interests

CarrieMayBe · 11/11/2016 19:51

It doesn't matter who caused it, it'll be me left to listen to them sobbing their hearts out in bed every night.

I know what you're all saying is true, but I can't handle it.

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ohfourfoxache · 11/11/2016 19:55

Oh Carrie Sad

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

Please don't take this the wrong way, and the last thing I want to do is hurt you more than you already have been, but it's so much better for the Dc for you to split and be happy than for you to stay together and be miserable. For you to be miserable that is, he can and should be as fucking miserable as possible Angry

By staying with him you're showing them that, no matter what, you should put up with shit.

Is mil happy now? Sounds like she is. She also sounds like a good role model for you.

ohfourfoxache · 11/11/2016 19:58

You can sweetheart. You can do this. You're so much stronger than you think- look at how you've fought your depression and become happy? I dream about being that strong and well. It's a mahoosive thing to overcome, and you've done it against all odds Thanks

Horsegirl1 · 11/11/2016 20:22

Flowers for you op. THis is NOT your fault BTW xx

AvaCrowder · 11/11/2016 20:40

You poor thing. I don't think I would react serenely to this either. Flowers

Your dc will be better off in a calm honest home. My parents stayed together, hardly ever fought in front of us, but we knew something was off. We just didn't know what and it was disturbing.

Your husband is not doing enough to make you believe he will work on your marriage. You begged and cried and screamed for him to phone her, and he refused.

Your eldest dc is 21, could you let him know? He must be aware of some of the things. I don't know.

Good for you for telling your mil. Don't keep his dirty little secret for him.

You can do this, you will get through it and be happier and just Flowers