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Support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh thread 3

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Lilacpink40 · 09/11/2016 18:57

Thred 3! Grin

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Froginapan · 11/11/2016 22:48

2012

Considering the utter shit we have to deal with I think we should all collectively buy a damned vineyard.

staplehead · 11/11/2016 23:09

Cheers 2012 Wine

nicenewdusters · 11/11/2016 23:34

2012 you asked if it was me who had recently had the court outcome, it was Purple.

And to answer your question Lilac, Mr HJM is phoning mon/tues with a view to coming over one of those days. Can't actually believe I've done it!

I like the vineyard idea frog. Can I nominate Chateau Wanc de Narc as our first bottle of wine?

I was thinking tonight that without this thread I would have made some really bad decisions in the past few weeks re twat. The thread stops me being hot headed and makes me look at the bigger picture. I've also learnt so much about the court process. You often hear people glibly say Oh, take me to court then. I've sometimes thought that. From what I've read I will do whatever it takes to avoid going down that route.

I recently changed my phone number, haven't given twat the new one yet. Although it's been a few weeks since the recent text war, it's nice knowing he can't text me just now. We never speak, and I don't look out the window when he collects the dc. So it's like he doesn't exist. Strange but very calming. Will have to give it to him eventually in case of emergencies.

PurpleThursday · 12/11/2016 01:01

Dusters I may be an exception to the court rule. My situation wasn't deemed serious enough for CAFCASS to be involved (which was a relief in some ways as the DCs didn't have to be dragged through any more). Social Services in my experience are so ridiculously over stretched that anything less than serious child abuse is completely ignored - in fact I think they advise (they did me) if you think there is a risk to your children, withhold contact and then wait for WN to start court proceedings and sort it out there. Only problem with that is that Court tell you (if it's not SERIOUS)) that they can't make a judgement so they refer you back to social services. (Who have no time or care to see you) It is all complete bollocks.

Court are supposed to put the children's needs first and if the children are of a certain age take their feelings into account - and those feelings need to be CURRENT. For example, my DC hadn't seen WN for months because of his fucking about, so when asked they said they wanted to see him. Once access had restarted within (a couple of?) weeks they didn't want to go: Court didn't take that into account as looked at 3 month old information.

Chateau Wanc de Narc - I love that. Have drunk a bottle GrinWink

Good luck with handovers to everyone this weekend . My DS is refusing to go, so I have to pass that info on to WN. Fun. No doubt it will be my fault.

2012PP · 12/11/2016 08:00

Sorry dusters-& purple!
I really had had too much wine...
was with another single mum with a w/n eX - We don't get to see each other very often so it was just what we both needed.
Good luck for all hand overs today.
DUSTERS: Good luck for mon-tues phone call / visit by Mr HJM 😀.
Re your phone: would it make sense for you to perhaps get a pay-as-you-go cheaply one and just give him that number so he can't bother you on your main phone? You could turn it off when kids are with you. Perhaps it might minimise exposure to crap messages, whist keeping them all in one place?...
PURPLE: how frustrating/horrid about the court . Sorry I got the wrong person . I always just presumed courts would "do the right thing". How wrong that they don't 💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐.

staplehead · 12/11/2016 08:28

Very good idea, pay as you go phone. I might just do that.

nicenewdusters · 12/11/2016 09:15

Morning all. Glad you had a good night with your friend 2012 Hair of the dog ? Wine Am thinking about the separate phone idea. We text very little now, just bigger stuff, so that's when it turns into a text war. I just don't like the idea of my phone being polluted by him!

Thanks for the good luck wishes with Mr HJM, I'll be a nervous wreck by Monday !!

Thank you for that info re the court Purple. That's what seems so senseless about it all, arbitrary timescales and procedures. 3 months is a massively long time in a child's life, so much can change, as you have seen. Well, if WN really believes that your ds is choosing not to go to his because of you, good luck with that delusion! He's had it shouted in his face - by him, not you - so he'll have to square that with his conscience.

I was out with my dd last night, ds at twat's, due to have a sleepover. We got in quite late, twat phoned dd; ds wanted to come home, so he brought him back. Ds said it was because twat had to get up so early for work. I know it's not that early, he just wanted to come home. If it was early, twat should have rearranged things, I 100% know that he can.

But really none of it gives you any pleasure. I want ds to want to stay with twat over night, but I know he prefers the warmth and environment of our home. I don't feel sorry for twat, but the human part of me knows how I'd feel if the situation was reversed.

Ohb0llocks · 12/11/2016 10:31

Feeling very down today. Spoke to DS about maybe seeing his dad, (as best I can with his age) and he seemed up for it until he realised I wouldn't be coming then sobbed. What am I putting him through. Why can't I protect my baby

PurpleThursday · 12/11/2016 11:12

Impossible to know what to say b0llocks. My little DC just screamed the place down saying he didn't want to go to his father's, refused to get dressed, refused to let me open the door to him. Sobbed his little heart out saying he didn't want to go. Was finally bribed by WN's offer of going shopping and buying him XY and Z. My heart broke. And apparently I'm doing the right thing for my DC? Not in my eyes.

Ohb0llocks · 12/11/2016 11:32

How often does he go purple?

PurpleThursday · 12/11/2016 11:39

It's supposed to be 2 nights a week.

Ohb0llocks · 12/11/2016 11:51

How do you find you feel when he is there? I'm dreading the future. I feel like DS is being ripped away from me. I'm scared to have more children because I worry DS will be pushed further to his dad.

PurpleThursday · 12/11/2016 11:59

Well I have other DC at home as refusing to go so WN has entirely split my family in 2! And I have 24/7 childcare so can't ever really switch off anyway. Hopefully your situation won't be as bad as mine Flowers

Natsku · 12/11/2016 12:12

Good luck with Mr. HJM dusters very exciting! I feel like I'm living the excitement through you!

Oh Purple that's so sad. Really sorry the court process let you down.

Ohb with luck, after a while of experiencing what parenting a child is like, your WN might decide to fuck off again and you'll be rid of him. He already did it once so there's a good chance I reckon.

Chrystal1982 · 12/11/2016 13:29

Checking in, sorry haven't been able to keep up Flowers to all.
Purple so sorry to hear court fucked up! I had cafcass involved last time and they were useless, they had no idea or understanding of ea 😡
I received notice o proceedings yesterday morning, hearing is on Monday! 😫 Had meeting with solicitor yesterday and got representation however with SF using the emergency hearing route, bastard, my named solicitor isn't available but have found me a barrister to represent me for a pretty penny on top of solicitor fees of course! Stressed out but having to waddle into court on Monday, will be 30wks, won't paint SF in a favourable light (hopefully)

Ohb0llocks · 12/11/2016 13:36

Chrystal, what are the proceedings for? Apologies if you have already mentioned? And at 30 weeks pregnant. Angryon your behalf

Chrystal1982 · 12/11/2016 13:47

ohb my eldest DS decided on his 16th birthday just over a month ago that he wanted to live with me full time instead of the 4days he lived with me previously so as he was 16 I didn't force him back to his fathers (SF) so the bastard is taking me to court as I'm apparently 'refusing to return DS to his care' 😡 I was fucked over last time by cafcass and disability team so SF got residency as a technicality even tho we're 50/50 shared custody of all our DS's. He's claiming that because DS is autistic that he's incapable of making the decision for himself, utter bollox of course! He's mainstream, doing GCSE's and is on course to get at least 5 grade C's. He also walks to and from school independently so could at any point go to his fathers instead. Solicitor reckons there is very little chance of a judge forcing him back to SF's because it wouldn't be able to be enforced without basically imprisoning him there

Chrystal1982 · 12/11/2016 13:48

4 days a week I mean so already a majority

Lilacpink40 · 12/11/2016 13:58

Ohb your DS is young enough to be likely to be very honest with his WN dad, GF and GF's DD, i.e. he will show them when he's upset. Step-parenting, particularly sudden step-parenting (which is what it will probably feel like for both adults given the break) is likely to be highly stressful for them. Like others have said, I don't think you need to worry about DS wanting to spend large periods of time with him. I'd start with a very low agreement for contact, maybe few hours at weekend, if you think contact would be ok. Your home will always be his home and if you have another DC they will be close as your DCs will still be with you for high proportion of the time.

My DCs are the same as yours Dusters they like their safe home environment. Whatever 'presents' are given to them by WN our 'presence' always trumps that!
I hope Mr H-J is talkative when you meet. It would be great if he mentions hobbies or interests that you suddenly also have an interest in. Wink

Purple I have brief moments in week without responsibility for DCs, usually always have them overnight (only 6 nights off this year so far). Your situation sounds harder again so feel for you Flowers

WN Wine Grin may have a bottle tonight.

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Lilacpink40 · 12/11/2016 14:03

Ohb just to add when WN left me in Jan (as I'd been asking him not to be a WN and OW 'accepted him') I worried that he'd want DCs lots of the time. Reality is that DCs are hard work and require patience, so it didn't happen. The worry is horrible though. Flowers

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Lilacpink40 · 12/11/2016 14:11

Crystal is your barrister briefed with information from DS's school?
Independent support in favour of you could help?

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Chrystal1982 · 12/11/2016 14:30

Lilac, there hasn't been time unfortunately. Barrister will be fully briefed on the case and prior history as I went back to the same firm that represented me last time although it was still on legal aid then. Cafcass has been appointed and directed to liaise with SS's and police (SF called them when DS1 didn't return and they said all was fine as he's 16) and write a report but it's been acknowledged that it won't be ready for first hearing. Thank fuck the sw that has been involved recently for a different matter, and will be the one consulted, actually agrees with me and was telling me I should take SF back to court before he started all this (DS2 14 also wants to live with me full time) as she saw thru his mask and got him pegged (complete narc and only wants control) from just 2 phone calls. SF doesn't know this and will hopefully get a shock when the report is made

Chrystal1982 · 12/11/2016 14:35

The last thing SF wants is the school and possibly the hospital consulted as they'll agree that DS1 is perfectly capable of making the decision himself hence why he's trying to leapfrog them and DS1 rights by emergency hearing

Lilacpink40 · 12/11/2016 15:01

Crystal I'm Angry for you for this situation and hope in court you take notes to remind you of everything to say, then hopefully the judge will listen. It's good the SW report will be on your side Smile

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nicenewdusters · 12/11/2016 15:05

Ohb You said about your ds sobbing when he realised you wouldn't be with him if/when he sees his dad. I know you don't want to see your ex, but I think it's entirely reasonable for you to be with him for the first few visits. He's basically a stranger. This is another good reason for it to be in a contact centre. Could your dp go along in your place (big ask I know) or a family member/close friend ? Of course ex will object. But tough, ds's needs come first, and remember, he's prepared to do "anything" to see his son apparently!

Purple what a horrible situation for you all. Again, it's no consolation but imagine as a parent only being able to bribe your dc to be with you. He knows that you heard every word. The big man in court and the unwanted dad at the door, what an idiot.

Thank you for the good wishes Natsku with Mr HJM. Saw him when I was out driving locally today. He waived to thank me for stopping for him. He wouldn't have recognised the car I was driving. Just as well because I was still wearing my hat in the car so probably looked a bit strange!

I think he'll be chatty Lilac, we can both talk the hind legs off a donkey, that's one of the things I like about him ! He's got a lovely accent, from a part of the world where talking is a national pastime Wink. Yes, his interests/hobbies will of course all be shared by me ! Even if he likes sacrificing chickens under a full moon, I'll say "Oh, me too!" My worst fear is that he comes along, does the job, all very nice, then bye Dusters. Still, let's not jump the gun.....

Good luck for Monday Chrystal What a nasty tactic to go for an emergency hearing so that not all the evidence can be produced. The sw sounds like a good 'un though, and with ds age etc you are hopefully feeling reasonably positive.