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Could I maybe have a hand hold?

336 replies

Offred · 30/10/2016 18:06

I think I have reached my gone too far and I don't care anymore moment this week. BF has a habit of repeatedly texting until I respond this occurred on weds evening when I was putting the children to bed. It was their usual bedtime and we have been seeing each other for over 3 1/2 years.

When I got the messages (asking how I was) I replied... then nothing for 2 days....

The next set of messages were basically about him trying to set up a weekend of sex where I would be required to pay for the accommodation. He has been obsessing over this for around a week even though I have not reciprocated any interest at all (going through a tough time ATM) and he is unaware I can hear him on the phone trying to be covert speaking to ppl while he was in the bath.

Friday is my graduation. I didn't really feel enthused about going to the ceremony but he (and others) convinced me I should and would enjoy it and said he would come to help mitigate the effects of seeing my mum.

I am graduating in Manchester and have had to arrange xh having kids for an extra night so I can go. Turns out he was trying to arrange accommodation in Stafford for the whole weekend despite me discussing childcare difficulties etc and him knowing it is my weekend with the children.

He basically jibbed me off on Friday and Saturday this weekend so I haven't given him the opportunity to do it Sunday as well and then just swan in expecting sex on Friday.

I just feel done.

I have spent the last month achieving a much greater degree of detachment and have been fostering some great friendships.

I am quite scared that I am going to get the fear like every other time and fall back into this really crappy relationship so please hold my hand?

This is the previous thread chain btw;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2740624-It-has-all-got-worse

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Offred · 07/11/2016 22:14

If I don't reply he texts nand texts and texts then calls and if no response he comes round.

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Kr1stina · 07/11/2016 22:16

What happens if he sees you and don't open the door ?

RandomMess · 07/11/2016 22:27

I would block his number so you are less bothered by it and no longer answer the door to him AND be prepared to call the police if it escalates.

Obviously you would have to send a FINAL message. "This relationshit is over, you are not welcome to come to my home, I will not answer the door to you and I will call the police if need be."

Tell your DC that the relationshit is over and he has been unkind to you so he is no longer welcome at the house.

Job done, come on here, and DO NOT cave! In fact could you go away for a couple of weeks..?

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/11/2016 01:12

Was "relationshit" a deliberate typo? Cos I approve! Xmas Smile

Offred · 08/11/2016 03:43

Yes it was! Ha ha!

I need to think on it re the dc. Dd has SEN and is only just coming through a very difficult patch.

I could maybe time going away for a holiday with blocking etc yes but not until xmas hols.

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Offred · 08/11/2016 03:44

Oh and I'm not sure what happens if he sees me and I don't open the door, but I am a little worried that will end in property damage...

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Offred · 08/11/2016 03:50

I need to speak to women's aid. I don't know why I am trying to manage this on my own.

Clearly do my best thinking during periods of insomnia.

It's what I would tell someone else. I'm afraid of him. He loses control and his physical aggression is escalating.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/11/2016 08:18

If you've already thought that you might have to call the police on him, then you are in fear, if not for your life, at least for your peace. So, what you need to do is call them today (101, not 999, natch!). Speak to the DV people and report that you're ending an abusive relationship and you're afraid it will escalate, [that nothing particularly bad has happened yet (if applicable: if I'm wrong there, amend!!!)] but he shows signs (hone as your examples dictate). This should put you on their radar so if you need to ring 999 one night, they will come quickly.

Then I'd actually suggest you end it this week. Don't wait until the holidays! You and DC deserve a stress-free Christmas and run-up!

And you should know what are of the signs of abuse and potential escalation are - you're an old pro at this, lovely fellow viper! Do you want to hash out some examples with us, though?

Offred · 08/11/2016 09:26

Ok are you ready for this terribly long post?!

So basically, he started off love bombing - which often made me angry. He would say 'I love you' I would say 'you can't love me you don't even know me', he would say 'I want to marry you' I would say 'that is ridiculous'. He would say 'I have never loved anyone like this before' I would say 'that is sexist and pretty appalling for your other GFs'. He pressured and pressured for us to become officially together.

I have repeatedly tried to break up with him. First time 3 years ago basically to the day. About 2 months after we were officially in a relationship, he went on holiday with a girl he was 'in love with'. He made a massive effort to try and convince me he had no feelings for her anymore and said 'I can do what I like, you are trying to control me' so I broke up with him.

He started by 'wanting to come round and talk', convinced me, kept humiliating me in public with this girl, inviting me to things she was at then ignoring me, sitting next to her and jokingly throwing bits of paper in her hair, following her round, making excuses to me to go outside with her, confusing me with her etc, each break up he would come round to 'explain' which progressed to letting himself in to my old house while I was asleep after I told him I did not want to speak to him ever again (he would also constantly stand me up) and it was over and blocked him 'because it was a misunderstanding'.

That was the first time I was frightened before that I just thought he was an immature dick.

Basically all the crap continued, him standing me up, humiliating me constantly with this girl. If I talked about my feelings he would shout, if I wrote them down he would sigh and then shout. Often he would keep on and on and on at me about how I 'needed to accept responsibility'.

He banned me from emailing or texting him about anything I felt. He really managed to convince me that it was in my head, blamed my past, told me I was crazy and jealous and he was afraid of how abusive I was, told me I needed therapy for my pathological anxiety, I went to CBT and the exercises were based around trying to get me to 'see' that all the stuff that was wrong with him was 'in my head', which obviously just made it worse, until this awful time he picked me up in the car because he wanted to 'talk' and drove us down to the beach at night and actually ranted and raved at me while I was trapped in the car, telling me if I tried to speak that he hadn't finished he was just thinking and if I spoke I was interrupting then he drove me home. I had a massive nervous breakdown and ended up in A&E convinced that all the abuse I'd ever suffered was because of me and I had no chance of ever having a happy life because I make people abuse me and I was frightened I would kill myself.

Since then he has been 'sorry' because he says he did 'have feelings' for the girl after all but 'doesn't agree' that he did do any of the things I described above. He doesn't have feelings anymore because she treated him like crap (my interpretation). He says I should be comforted by the fact he always liked me more and he always told his friends that. Hmm But he maintains that the way he acted was fine because he is allowed private feelings and that my responses are overreactions.

Everytime I am upset about anything I am always overreacting, and it is often because he still does all the crap - standing me up, being late (for important things like taking me to hospital) because he wanted a nap or a bath, getting nasty and contemptuous towards me if we are talking about something and I don't agree exactly with his position on it, expecting me to pay for everything all the time, being crap at managing his money and often expecting me to pick up the slack for his own expenses - gas, electricity, car, dog etc.

If I do anything nice for him eventually it will be brought up and used as an example of me being 'manipulative and controlling'.

He will ask me to be honest with him and then tell me I am horrible and mean and need to be more tactful.

He has been aggressive with me re sex. Once he actually shouted and sulked repeatedly at me until I wanked him off. Then he went to sleep and I went downstairs to cry, he didn't notice. After that I have felt pressured and often gone downstairs or out of the room to cry. He never notices. I now am drinking wine everytime I see him to be able to 'manage' sex. It never used to be the case. The sex used to be the only thing that was good. But now sometimes he will leap out of bed in a rage if I have done something 'wrong'. He once told me that if any of the girls he had sex with whilst they were drunk regretted it or had been too drunk to consent then it wasn't his problem - and since I started drinking the wine I have thought on this more. Very recently he suggested a particular kind of sex, after he had watched me drink two bottles of wine, I used to enjoy but which caused physical problems that led to hospital investigations and which I had agreed with him (I thought) we wouldn't do again.

He will drink with his friends (and drunk text me) but he never drinks when he is with me. Also alcohol is about the only thing he ever buys me.

We can't watch anything on tv without him constantly asking me if I fancy xyz person. We have sometimes had to stop watching things I like because he will be so sexually obsessed with someone that it will be terribly uncomfortable for me.

When I am ill, if he can't avoid me, he will mimic my symptoms in a mean way and call it teasing. If I tell him anything such as 'I can't run I have dodgy ankles/knees' he will try and force me to run (dragging me by the hand across the road in front of a car) because he won't believe me, If I get injured because of it then he will accept it.

If we discuss things often I will make a certain point and he will poo poo it but when a man makes it to him he will suddenly agree and then proudly announce to me he has 'come round to your way of thinking'.

There is probably loads more but what I mean by escalating is basically that he has progressed from being verbally aggressive and intimidating to actual physical violence against my things.

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Offred · 08/11/2016 09:41

If I have any feelings at all he has to agree that they are reasonable before I will be allowed them.

If I have any boundaries at all he needs to agree that they are reasonable before he will respect them. Sometimes he has lied to get me to think he respects them and then afterwards ranted about me being unreasonable and controlling for 'emasculating' him with my unreasonable boundaries.

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Offred · 08/11/2016 09:46

If I tell people about things he has done or if I am ever visibly upset in public. I am 'making our private business public which is wholly unacceptable and deeply embarrassing' for him.

The aggression on Friday was because I said to him when he says that it feels as though he is allowed to abuse me in private but if I tell people about it or am upset about it in public then that is out of order and could he see why that position is a very frightening one for me?

Probably shouldn't be poking the hornets nest but my anger is coming out.

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Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:00

It's ok to be angry . It's normal and healthy to be angry about how he has treated you.

But you need to channel your anger in the right way.

Offred · 08/11/2016 10:03

Writing it all down I wonder if it would be enough to get a non molestation order with a power of arrest? If I did that I am sure it would end this peacefully for me and the dc. He is a local councillor (and very concerned with his reputation) and he would be so shocked and disappointed with my behaviour and worried about being arrested that I'm sure he would just leave me alone.

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Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:04

i mean , there's no point in getting angry at him. Trying to convince him that he's wrong and that he should change is pointless . He's happy being the way he is and he won't change .

So you need to put up or leave. And you know which one is better for you.

Offred · 08/11/2016 10:06

No, I know there is no point saying things to try to convince him or 'fix' things.

The last few weeks I have been so detached I have simply been poking the hornets nest deliberately to see what happens and to 'prove' things to myself.

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Offred · 08/11/2016 10:07

Things like - he is an irreformable twat and that I can stand up to him.

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Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:07

If he's concerned about his reputation he won't take it lying down . He will tell everyone you are a hitter who is staking him and you have made it all up.

Besides the injunction won't be valid if you keep opening the door to him. And voluntarily contacting him.

Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:08

A nutter not a hitter #autocorrectfail

Offred · 08/11/2016 10:09

I don't care if he tells everyone I am mental. Sure he would tell his mum and friends that.

What I mean is his narrative would change from 'She should be grateful I am trying to fix things given she is unreasonable' to 'she is an irredeemable psycho' and he wouldn't try and turn up anymore.

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Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:10

Is standing up to him what you want to achieve ? Will that make your life better ?

As opposed to walking away and never having anything to do with him again .

Kr1stina · 08/11/2016 10:12

So you want to change him to that he doesn't want to see you any more ?

Rather than you changing yourself and deciding to dump him ?

Offred · 08/11/2016 10:12

I have got the contacting him thing down. I have not initiated contact with him for about 2 years. Not for any reason. Not since he banned me from texting etc.

I am confident that wouldn't change.

He will text and text and text whether I respond or not. If I don't respond he will come round ATM.

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Offred · 08/11/2016 10:13

Yes.

Because it doesn't matter to him at all that I don't want him.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/11/2016 10:15

Good! Anger is good. There is generally no space for both anger and fear at the same time.

That's a lot of material with which to work. You've got, at very least:

  • coercion (both in general and sexually)
  • physical restraint
  • financial abuse
  • stalking and harassment

Obvs the police would be less interested in the other girl thing, but it is good background. I think the main thing you want to convey to them is that he won't let you break up with him.

Please talk to the police today! The sooner you do the faster you can get your head back together. And if you talk to them today, there will be plenty of time to get you on their radar before the weekend (if I'm reading Twunt's patterns aright).

Stormtreader · 08/11/2016 10:20

"He is a local councillor (and very concerned with his reputation)" this is the card you need to play.

Next time he comes round, dont let him in. If he starts threatening to damage your property, tell him (through the window) you'll call the police and how will a public arrest record for criminal damage look?

It really sounds like youre in a terribly abusive relationship. And the bit about "he got into my bed", who the hell does that? Thats a bizarrely childish thing to do.

You dont have to let anyone into your house you dont want to, and you dont have to find a "good enough" reason to end a relationship. If you decide its done then its over and he becomes just the same as any other random person in the street demanding access to your house.