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Feeling a little bit down in the dumps about my lack of a love life...

437 replies

pinkmusicstand · 25/10/2016 18:43

I'm a 35 year old single mum to a five year old DD. Split up with her dad when I found out I was pregnant however it was all a bit complicated as we had occasional 'reunions' until she was about a year old and I said enough and finally cut it all off.

Ex is now happily coupled up with a new girlfriend, which I'm totally OK about. No feelings between us anymore, so not at all complicated.

I've had a couple of short term relationships since then, lasting no more than 6 months.

I find it difficult to meet new men. I've tried OLD but haven't got anywhere with it. Most of the men I meet in RL are married/coupled up. I have had lots of crushes on men, even if they are single I don't think they even know I exist. I am unbelievably horny all of the time.

I just don't think it's going to happen for me. I don't think I'll ever meet someone nice. The type of guys who do express interest are usually weirdos/creeps/in relationships. Am dismayed why I attract these types and not a normal, nice single guy.

I never get asked out. I think I'm OK looking, am reasonably intellegent (have a degree and currently doing an MA), kind, caring etc. I think I'm a nice person. I just don't seem to be able to meet someone who thinks the same.

Don't really know why I'm posting, I guess just to get it off my chest. Feeling a bit down about it all at the moment. This idea that I will be left on the shelf for ever.

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LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 13:43

Myusername I don't think wanting a younger woman has anything to do with wanting a second family in many cases.

It's also often to do with what they feel they 'deserve'. They are worried about their mates thinking they can only attract an "older woman". I was dating a man when I turned 40. His attitude towards me changed noticeably after my birthday, it was really puzzling at the time until he revealed that he was finding it difficult to come to terms with dating an older woman. He was older than me. I dumped him.

My ex husband also thought he 'deserved' someone younger. And told me so when he was online dating himself about 18 months after we'd split and I was talking to him about his profile/what he was looking for.

We all do it to an extent. When I look at profile pics of men in their 60s I think, "ew, no way, he's so old!!" or whatever. But I won't always think that. 10 years ago I wouldn't have been interested in 50 year old men, and now I am (well, have been). That is the reaction men are having to women the same age as themselves.

And when I was late 30s, I was saying exactly what you were saying. Exactly. But when you cross that 10 into your 40s, it's suddenly not your choice anymore. I remember reading things about it getting more difficult for women over 40 and I used to think, "how ridiculous! Exactly how is it going to change? You're not that much different between 39 and 41 [I'm certainly not]. It's just women being paranoid and negative..." I thought all of it. Until I turned 40 and started to drop off the radar and then hit 41 and disappeared altogether.

A man the same age as me said the other day "You look good, for your age". Good for my age? I'm the same age as him! What does that caveat "for your age" even mean?

I don't hate men and I don't think that women are dusty figurines on a shelf waiting to be picked. But they don't feel flattered when women over 40 find them attractive, they feel a little bit embarrassed, as though it reflects negatively on them.

It not working out with men I met before 40 was just how it is, but post 40... it is different.

When you're 40something, and if you're still single, come back and tell us that you didn't notice any change at all. It doesn't matter whether you choose to participate in it or not. When you get there, you will find yourself in it all the same.

And yes, I get that one day, I might meet someone whilst just merrily going about my way who isn't bothered by the fact I'm 40 something, but it's frustrating that this is how women are marginalised in society and, frankly, it fucks me off!

That's why it's frustrating. Because I didn't opt for this, I didn't believe it and I didn't accept it. But it happened just the same.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 13:50

Olivia haha I might decide to reframe it all as they think I'll already be taken Wink

M0stlyHet · 27/10/2016 13:56

Precisely, Little. No-one aspires to the (peri) menopausal cloak of invisibility, we all have it thrust upon us! Come back in 10 years and tell us how it's going, myuser.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 13:56

Oh and yeah, I spent some time on an earlier dating thread. I seem to remember it was full of hope and heartbreak but not a whole lot of love.

A lot of people left the thread, when I was on it, not because they'd found someone, but because they couldn't take the emotional trauma of being treated appallingly anymore.

ocelot7 · 27/10/2016 14:05

I'm in my 50s which is a much much tougher age for OLD! By their 50s & judging by OLD experience, the majority of men either want a woman 20+ years younger, are embittered by previous relationships or have never maintained a relationship :(
It took me 5 yrs & a few heartbreaks along the way to meet a decent man with some mutual attraction/liking...not without complications of being far away and with a teenager still at home...and a dog...
I wish I had tried OLD in my 30s :)

ocelot7 · 27/10/2016 14:09

Yes Littletrip I also think that many OLDing men think they deserve a much younger supermodel at some point in their lives and that time seems to be theirr 40s-50s Hmm . It used to make me cross but then I realised I wouldn't want anything to do with men like that & eventually met a man of my age who was only looking for women his age

Stormtreader · 27/10/2016 14:14

There's an awful lot of pressure on women to "buck up and smile love, it might never happen!", and I think that it makes people who don't find it so easy feel somehow that being sad about it is shameful and defeatist and that they should just go away and stop bringing everyone down.

There seems to be either "coupled and happy", "coupled and unhappy" or "triumphantly and gloriously single!" and no other acceptable states whatsoever.

I decided a while ago that I was fed up with it. I'm not sobbing and wailing into the storm dramatically about waiting for my man to appear, but I would rather be in a good relationship than single, I want a relationship and I dont see why thats a shameful thing to admit to. So to anyone else in that situation - sister, you are not alone!

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 14:18

Yes, that is true, Ocelot. I wouldn't want them either!

There is one that really does stick out from when I did OD when I was 38, there was a man who looked like your standard late 50s man: grey/balding, flabby, overweight, jowly, pale blue polo shirt (from what I recall). Had the look of having had a hard life about him... and in his description (in which he detailed nothing of what he offered) he said he wanted "a Sienna Miller lookalike who looks good in skinny jeans".

I remember thinking at the time that he'd most appropriately match the mum out of the Royale family. But no, it was clearly his time to enjoy his supermodel years after having, no doubt, wasted his youth on a woman the same age as him who had dared to age much as he had! Grin

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 14:21

I want a relationship and I dont see why thats a shameful thing to admit to

Yes quite.

I think that, for me, it's compounded by the fact that a shitty childhood and poor man choices as a result, mean that i've never been loved. I have no idea what it is to be in a loving, supportive relationship and I feel cross now that it most likely won't ever happen because I'm now too old.

It's shit.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 14:23

Too old and I've only been an adult for 23 years. If the lifespan of women in my family is anything to go by, I've got another 39 years ahead of me Sad

ocelot7 · 27/10/2016 14:25

lol Littletrip I might have met him on one of me too-many-to-recall one-date wonders [shudder]

Its a game of chance & it took YEARS for me to get anywhere - & then only when, fed up with the time & effort for little or no return, I had sworn off men for the summer to see my friends,go to music festivals & play tennis - there were one or 2 guys along the way I would have met again (but I didn't pass) & then this one who I kept seeing despite my initial disinterest/terror of being badly hurt again...

oliviaoatcake · 27/10/2016 14:31

LittleTripToHeaven

Olivia haha I might decide to reframe it all as they think I'll already be taken

Ha ha! I know, more flattering! It's bizzare though isn't it. sounds nice at first but I'm not sure. It's only anecdotal mind, four men have said this to me. I said "but I'm not wearing a ring either" and they replied that a lot of married men people dont' wear rings these days which is a fair point. I've had this said to me all my life (well, once I hit 20)!

Regarding the cut off age of doom being 40 for women, I just lie by omission. I see someone casually and have done for several months and he has no idea I'm in my 40s. He assumes we're the same age. He talks of 'our generation' and 'we're different to Generation X and the Baby Boomers' and 'people our age' and I just smile sweetly. He's in his mid thirties and well fit Grin

I've heard some people liken women to cars; why have an older one when you can get a new one just as cheap. That's how we're valued. The only thing I think which trumps age is beauty.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 14:37

I think you're spot on with all of that, Olivia

I think what really rankles with me is that my son and his friends are 17 going on 18.

In the past 2 years (so coming up to and crossing 40) feedback from them is.

"I've got to say you're a bit lame because you're my mum, but you're pretty cool actually, and you don't look 40" (completely unsolicited)

"Is that your mum? Wow, she's really cool"

"Your mum is nothing like my mum." "How do you mean?" "Dunno, she just doesn't look like a... mum"

etc

So I'm clearly avoiding the frumpy forties my own mother hit!

I just wish I could be viewed as positively by men my own age as I appear to be viewed by hyper-critical 17 year old girls!!! Grin

Myusernameismyusername · 27/10/2016 16:34

Ok I will try to remember to come back in 10 years and fill you in but i can't promise I will have adopted an entirely new less optimistic personality and outlook on life.

I'm finding it hard to get around why people on this thread actually do want a relationship with a man at all, when from the last few posts it just seems like you don't actually like Men, on the whole, as a sex whatsoever

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 16:42

Haha, well I hope you do keep your optimistic outlook, Myuser. It won't protect you from the reality, but it will mean that you keep putting yourself out there and taking risks. It won't stop you from feeling frustrated by it, but it might mean that you express your frustrations privately and and remain positive publicly.

You know, like the rest of us...

Well when you get there, you will find out. And you will hope that you discover one of the few who doesn't disregard women because they are no longer you.

I must say, though, that I find it a little arrogant that you can be so dismissive of the experiences of a group of women who are in the position of being over 40, and assume that you, who cannot have experience of it, are right.

Perhaps that perimenopausal cloak of invisibility doesn't just make us irrelevant to men... Wink

Myusernameismyusername · 27/10/2016 16:48

I find your attitude of contempt towards me for not being able to share your experiences quite sad, and I wonder if some of your dislike of men in general does come across like this to men too?

Stormtreader · 27/10/2016 16:54

And thats why women are scared of publicly saying "Dating isnt working for me and I'm sad and rather annoyed that my age peers are writing me off simply for not being ten years younger than them."

Because heaven forbid we say anything that might indicate anything less than a sunny wonderful vision to Men. Otherwise we might be accused of hating Men. Even though youre pretty much the only one talking about us hating Men....

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 17:12

I don't hate men. If I hated them I'd be relieved they were leaving me alone.

No one feels contempt for you for not sharing theexperience, Myuser, you can't have yet!

But I do wonder how you can be so certain that you are right when people who do have experience are all saying similarly.

It doesn't need to be an argument. You think it's all in our heads/caused by our attitude. And that's fine. You can think that.

Your opinion doesn't cancel out other people's lived experience though.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 17:16

Annoying thing is that I'm getting ready to go out tonight.

If look so much better than I did 10 years ago!

Wasted, I tells ya Grin

Tryanythingonce16 · 27/10/2016 17:28

It's all relative isn't it. I used to think 30 then 40 was old and now I'm 50 I don't feel past it and I have had a lot of interest online and loads of dates, some younger guys, some the same age (not interested in older though I should probably be more open-minded about that.)

No one has ever said anything impolite about my age. I find men very open-minded like that.

What I have found however is the longer and blonder my hair, the more interest I get, both online and out and about. Being slimmer also helps. Nothing to do with age.

As for being on the shelf, I quite enjoy it these days and for the first time in my adult life I am genuinely on my own and fine about it.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 17:52

It's interesting, actually, Try. I think that being slimmer and having long blonde hair are a couple of the things that can cancel out the over 40ness. Largely because both are signifiers of youth.

There was another thread recently and there were men coming onto the thread to say that it wasn't true men only liked younger men, and talked about 'older' women they knew who were successful dating and they all described them as not looking their age. I think one woman around 70 was described as looking in her late 20s!

So I think you can escape the age discrimination if you're 'hot' enough. Which clearly you are Wink

Funnylady123 · 27/10/2016 18:55

Wow. I am not hot and am over 40. Now I really feel there is no hope!
I really like men as friends if not more. If I do decide to overcome my anxiety and do
OLD, what is the best site? To be honest I would be happy with a bit of online flirting, just to while away the lonely evenings.

LittleTripToHeaven · 27/10/2016 19:03

I have loads of male friends, Funny. No problems with being over 40 there Wink

I didn't think much of OKCupid, but someone I know married someone from there and I've attended an eharmony wedding.

I tried Muddy Matches but there weren't enough people matching my search criteria.

I met a couple of men from POF, but most of the men I met were on Match.

I'd try POF first and get a non subscription account on match, just to see. I think different sites work better for different people in different areas. Don't sign up to a subscription one straight away because a lot of people are also on more than one site e.g. POF and match. Although you do need to be aware of this when you decide to go exclusive and deactivate your account. It's amazing how many men think that coming off the site and no longer chatting/dating only applies to the site you met on...

mostlyslowly · 27/10/2016 19:16

Mid fifties bloke here, and I can assure, that much as I might like a younger partner; I actually like women of my age and older. My wife is older than me, I really don't and didn't care about any age gap.
As for the shelf, I reckon it'll need more brackets if you lot keep climbing on the furniture

Funnylady123 · 27/10/2016 19:41

Thanks, Littletrip. I am shit scared of it all, having been married to my first partner for 25 years.
Very reassuring mostly, more pisitive stories please everyone!