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Is it me? DH probs with my Son continue, he says it's all me.

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Tryingmybest4them · 17/10/2016 09:28

Hi everyone
Apologies in advance as this may be long and disjointed...
I have 4 lovely DC all under 10 yrs old, my eldest DC are from exDH and i remarried and had youngest 2 DC with DH. Just to give some background DH and I have been together 7 years and married 3.
I met DH when my eldest dc were 1 and 3, as far as they can remember they don't remember a time before he was in our lives. DH had a very strict authoritarian style upbringing and has always been very set in his ways and strict with his parenting style with dc's 1&2 which in the beginning I went along with under some distorted view that he was trying to help and I didn't want to upset him I suppose. He also is very closed emotionally and doesn't seem to have empathy for others. Anyway sine dc's 3&4 have been born I have noticed a difference in the expectations and the way he treats them being his own children to the way he is with DC 1&2. It's mainly with dc2 who is a typical 8 year old boy and doesn't listen or follow instructions instantly, he's a cheeky chap with a very lovely big personality but he just seems to rub DH up the wrong way. I left DH earlier this year because my DC 1&2 were not happy (there is prevoius possible DA) and I told him I will always choose my DC over him. He eventually talked me round, I could see his point of view and realised it was me in the wrong too, he feels pushed out so he promised to try to build a better relationship with my ds, he moved back in and all was great for a few weeks but now it's slipping back to the way it was.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated....

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Naicehamshop · 19/10/2016 21:24

You are doing the right thing for sure. Keep going! Flowers

QuiteLikely5 · 19/10/2016 21:53

Your dh is being nice to you because he senses your withdrawal, he knows he has pushed you too far and is doing all he can to rectify that.

However this is a tactic regularly used by abusive people and I can assure you mr nice guy is only a temporary act - he will soon revert to normal

Anyway regardless of that I just couldn't love or respect a man who didn't like my child. You can choose who you bring I to your children's life, they can't and that's why, as their mother you need to protect him as currently your son is suffering emotional abuse - growing up in a home where he is not wanted and treat unfairly. Completely wrong and not how a mother wants her child to feel.

Stay strong, for your son if not yourself

BertPuttocks · 20/10/2016 09:49

I've seen this pattern before too. (I was the child in a similar situation). It goes like this:

(1) DH acts like an arse to punish you and to show you that this is what happens when you don't act in the way he wants you to. He offers or threatens to leave because, in his eyes, that would be the ultimate punishment for you. He's going to deprive you of his very presence. That'll teach you!

(2) He sets up situations to show you that the reason he isn't looking after you is because he chooses not to, rather than because he is unable to. This would've been why he came home that day to use the toilet and then immediately left. See! I could've come back to make you a quick drink but I choose not to! That'll teach you!

My mother's DP used similar tactics. For example, on a day that he was meant to be helping to move furniture for her after work, he booked the whole day off at the last minute and spent the day and evening sitting on his backside instead. See! I could've helped you but I chose not to!

(3) When that particular tactic fails, it's on to being Mr Nice. Look at me! Aren't I wonderful? It's obviously not me that's the problem in this house. See how much you need me? The added bonus for them is that the DC see their mother being appreciative of the help and then their own fear will start to seep back in. He's wormed his way back in again. This time he's going to stay.

(4) If being Mr Nice has the desired effect, give it a few days or weeks and Mr Nasty will return and you'll be back where you were in your OP.

They always think they're being clever but don't seem to realise that they're just following the same tired script that every other abusive man like this does.

Gymnopedies · 20/10/2016 10:52

You are fantastic tryingmybest4them, keep putting your DCs first.

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 13:31

Thanks Smile
I could sleep last night, I woke up about 1am and ended up coming downstairs, I could hear my own heartbeat Confused
My mum has been round cleaning this morning, she has told me that I should sit him down and talk to him, tell him that I feel like this and give him one last chance. I told her that I have done that before, she knows I have done that before too, I think she thinks someone could talk some sense into him and make him see the light!
I know this is about as likely as my ability to suddenly turn water into wine (wishful thinking), but my mum still thinks he could change. The weird thing is she doesn't even like him cos she can see what he is like with ds1 and the way he is with money and loads of other things. I pulled her up on it and she says she thinks I'm doing the right thing then in the next breath she says I need to talk to him. Grrrrrr, so frustrating!
Any ideas on how to handle this situation?

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ElspethFlashman · 20/10/2016 13:36

Yeah, Stop waiting for your mum's permission. It's never going to come.

Myusernameismyusername · 20/10/2016 13:41

This is because your mum is worrying about responsibility falling to her to help you if he is gone. I think she's dressing it up as helpful concern but really she's thinking about trying to get you all to stay together in one unit so that it's less stressful for her I suspect!

I would just say no, I've made up my mind and would like your support. She's trying to get you to see what you don't want to see

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 13:48

Yep sounds about right.
Are any of you single parents? I seem to have jumped from one bad relationship straight to another and then another, I've never really been single more than a few weeks, I suppose I'm just worried that I will let the kids down and not get everything done, I work 4 days per week too so really busy.
I know he is going to make things as difficult as possible with contact, he has said before that he will have the kids at different times to when exDH has DC 1&2 just to be difficult, I'm bloody dreading it.

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Dozer · 20/10/2016 13:52

Please plan to leave, and do the Freedom Programme.

Put yourself and your DC first.

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 14:10

I am x

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/10/2016 14:22

I've been single for about 7 years - I've dated but never lived with anyone since

I love it. You don't get a lot done sometimes but othertimes you do. It is actually really much easier to be in charge of your own life than live like you are now.

YouHadMeAtCake · 20/10/2016 14:26

You are shaping your childrens futures and personalities by staying with this awful man. He is no good for any of you. Leave again and never go back. Always put your DC first. Always. They will remember all the bad things, trust me.

beachbaby18 · 20/10/2016 14:43

PLEASE contact Woman's Aid, they offer counselling x

He's typical narcissistic, they help putting plans into place and will listen to you and reaffirm that it is NOT YOU!!!! It is HIM!

You are not crazy or mad, he is treating your children (DS) badly. WA will listen and help you x

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 15:46

Thanks again for the reassurance. I've just read an article 30 signs of emotional abuse and I recognised 29 of them Sad

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Badders123 · 20/10/2016 15:54

When someone shows you who they are
pay attention

SkaterGrrrrl · 20/10/2016 16:04

I had an emotionally abusive step father. I've never forgiven my mother for allowing him to treat us like the dirt under his shoe. When I was 32 my mum finally plucked up the courage to leave him. I was proud of her and she is happy at last at the age of 70; but it came too late for her relationship with her children. Both my sister and I moved abroad as soon as we finished studying, married and now raise our children very far away from her. When we talk about our deeply unhappy childhood and teenage years, we still resent our mum for sticking by that awful man.

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 20:41

Thank you for sharing your story skatergrrrl, it has made me think even more about it all.
Sorry to keep going on about my mum but she shocked me again earlier by implying that the damage has already been done to DC 1&2 so I may as well stay with DH now! Someone please tell me it's not too late?

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Naicehamshop · 20/10/2016 20:47

OMG! I can't believe your mum said that!

It's definitely not too late - I work with children and honestly leaving this awful man will make a huge difference to your ds. Be strong and keep going, you are doing the right thing. Flowers

AvocadoFlapjack · 20/10/2016 20:53

Tryingmybest has it ever occurred to you that your mum (and/or other family members) may be a big part of the reason you've always jumped from one bad relationship to the next?

It doesn't exactly sound like she's showing you what a healthy relationship looks like or how to be in one. She's minimising the emotional abuse to your DC1 - and to you; trying to enable further abuse, effectively.

How healthy do you really think your family is, in emotional terms?

mummarichardson · 20/10/2016 20:57

I had a step mum like this, without trying to scare you. I have to this day never forgiven my father for 'choosing' her over me and my brother and still bear the emotional scars of it. You might be getting away with it at 8 but let me tell you when those kids hit teens that's when the hurt and resentment will come tumbling out.

Tryingmybest4them · 20/10/2016 21:12

That's the strange thing, my parents have a healthy relationship and have been together since they were teenagers. My mums dad was emotionally abusive though and he was sexually and physically abused as a child, maybe this has something to do with it.
I contacted a counsellor today, she is calling me in the morning for an initial chat.
My landlord is coming tomorrow for a house inspection, I told her I have just had surgery but she refused to delay the visit, she is such a cow! I will just have to try to carefully tidy up after the DC have gone to preschool, I had carpets and oven cleaned professionally today and my mum did lots of cleaning as DH hasn't been keeping up with it and I'm not allowed to Blush

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/10/2016 22:33

I can't believe your mother said that Confused

It's actually an awful thing to say

Atenco · 21/10/2016 02:52

I think it will be wonderful for your children to see you put their happiness above that of their step-father. They will know what a mother's love is. It is sad that they have already suffered, but you really do not want to have this man around during your son's teenage years.

SkaterGrrrrl · 21/10/2016 09:22

Well done for contacting a counsellor. Keep going, you can do this. You can build a happy life for yourself and your DCs.

Tryingmybest4them · 21/10/2016 09:46

I have just spoken to the counsellor, she was really nice, she said I sound strong and like I have made my decision but she thinks she can help me once DH has left to not go back to him and also to explore why I seem to attract abusive men.
I'm feeling really positive, I know I will have a few wobbles along the way but I'm doing it for the right reasons.
Do you think it would be a good idea to put some of the worst things he has done on this thread? I feel Ike it may help me make sense if it.

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