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They want us to pay. I don't think we should.

196 replies

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 20:01

Background: We have teenage children of our own and we are also guardians for a 17 year old "Ben" (not real name obviously)

Ben has been going out with a girl for the last 12 ish months or so (t's been a bit on and off) but they have known each other for a bit longer than this as were good friends beforehand.

His girlfriend lives with her mum and step dad and they are getting married in January. After the wedding they are planning to go to Mauritius for 2 weeks and Ben's girlfriend will be joining her parents. The issue is that Ben had been invited too.

To begin with, we said no because as much as would have liked him to go, it was a hell of a lot of money. It's not that we couldn't have found the money because that would have been possible but it was not the sort of money we have lying around.

Plus - relationships can be tricky at the best of times (particularly when you're younger) and there was obviously a risk that the relationship would break down prior to the holiday and it would be doubtful we'd get our money back.

However the girlfriends parents came back and told us not to worry because they had intended to pay for everything themselves (his flight, all inclusive package etc) but suggested he should bring some spending money (no problem)

They made it sound as if they really wanted their daughter to have him there as company so that they could enjoy their honeymoon shag-fest

So we agreed and obviously thanked them profusely etc etc as it was an incredibly generous offer.

Well now you can probably guess what has happened - they've split up and things are hideous between them. Nothing amicable what so ever and they are no longer even friends. He's devastated Sad

His ex-girlfriend now wants to invite someone else on holiday with her (not sure if just friend or new boyfriend) and that is obviously fine and non of our business.

But her parents now want to be refunded for the money that they spent for Ben and want us to pay them £2100.00

There is no fucking way we are prepared to do this as the agreement all along was that they would cover all the costs (on their insistence) but they are saying that we have no proof that they had insisted on paying and so we should cough up.

DH's point is that neither have they any evidence that we had agreed to pay so they can get stuffed.

They have now passed 'messages' to Ben at college (via his ex girlfriend) to say that we had agreed to pay and have now changed our minds and that he needs to speak to us and ensure we pay them.

He is now incredibly stressed about it and seems to be believing their version of events and also thinks we should pay.

I've tried so hard to explain to him what has happened but he is just too upset and embarrassed about the whole thing and wants it to go away Sad

He has approx £1500 in an ISA and has said that if we don't pay, he will use that cash and I just want to fucking cry.

This is a boy who has been to hell and back over the last 10 years, I can't even go into the details of what he has been through but 2 years ago I got onto a bus and found him sitting at the back soaked to the skin as he had been wondering about in the rain and sleeping rough for a few nights with the clothes on his back. He had been completely disowned by his parents (complete and utter fucking cutting bastards) and long story short - he ended up living with us.

We managed to support him through his GCSE's and he scraped enough grades to get into college. He has been doing so well but is pretty fragile and now this has happened.

I can't and won't pay this bloody money (DH is now facing a possible redundancy which complicates things and is a massive worry) so I have no problem what so ever 'sticking to my guns' as far as they are concerned.

But what about Ben? I feel as if by refusing to pay I will be destroying everything we have worked so hard to achieve on his behalf (our relationship for one thing as his relationships with most people are quite fragile)

I'm not a push over. I'm a very upfront, confident and outspoken person. I would never allow myself to be blackmailed or intimidated by anyone. I am too old for this shit but I feel utterly stumped.

I literally don't know what to say or think and I'm so angry. I need someone to talk me through this as I'm terrified of ruining everything that this amazing young person has achieved.

We should never have agreed to the holiday but then we couldn't really refuse. He's not our child, we have no legal guardianship for him, he could have just gone anyway if he had wanted to.

I am pissed. As in actually quite drunk. And also pissed.

I'm not even going to spell-check this and can't be arsed with smiley's either. I just want to howl Sad

OP posts:
Overshoulderbolderholder · 17/09/2016 17:23

You are amazing too💐 Wish you all the very best x

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 17/09/2016 17:35

Oh gosh,he hugged you, how wonderful x

2kids2dogsnosense · 17/09/2016 17:47

Randomer

Reassure Ben...its all being dealt with, do not under any circumstances discuss this on social media.

VERY good point, R.

Buttonsbaby · 17/09/2016 17:51

I would send them a letter about how distressing it is for Ben to message him like this, especially given his fragility and past difficulties.

Make it clear that if they continue with this tirade which is tantamount to bullying and harassment you will be forced to take action against them, given he's a minor and he's in your care.

I would reaffirm that you and your family have never made any agreement to financially commit to this holiday on Ben's behalf and that there insistence on doing so was their own decision.

As far as you are concerned the matter is closed, but if there are any further instances of harassment you will be forced to take formal action to protect a minor in your care.

If that doesn't work. I would scoop up the largest stool from one of your dog walks and post that through their letter box.

I think you have to find your moment with Ben and explain that it is wrong to give into bullies and that you are decent, reliable, trustworthy people and can't be blackmailed into paying for something that you never agreed to in the first place and that he needs to trust you on this.

I hope it rains on their honeymoon.

TWATS

arrrrghhwinehelpswithteens · 17/09/2016 20:11

That eye issue is catching!

Glad Ben came home and you made up OP.

I also agree on the solicitor's letter to them - that may make them stop and think.

Good luck and Flowers

SharonfromEON · 17/09/2016 20:43

just read your update...

It shone through from your post it was Ben you were worried about. I think that is why people were going down the harassment route..otherwise you could continue to ignore.

Sounds really positive..Good luck with the business.

Anushka · 17/09/2016 21:24

I'm so pleased he's home with you. Don't worry too much about the reluctance to hug thing.... I hate hugging.... But it doesn't mean I don't love people around me. Things happen in all our lives which change us and to allow us to cope.
Now you've almost got him on your side (well perhaps friends cool mum has) tell the money grabbers to back off or you'll get the police involved. And wouldn't offer to pay for any changes /administration costs they were willing to pay £8k plus they can afford another £100.
Have they been in touch since last night?

Josie5 · 17/09/2016 21:25

Make it very clear to them how this is affecting Ben that they need to be adult about this and stop communicating with him. You don't owe them anything. They are unkind, insensitive and childish. You have agreed to nothing you have no obligation to them whatsoever. He is lucky to be out of any relationship with this family, they are BAD news.

RaspberryOverload · 17/09/2016 21:41

I'm not so sure that that mentioning Ben's distress at this is quite the right thing to do.

I'm still working this out in my head, but I'm thinking that this ex-gf and her parents seem to be nasty people, who wouldn't care about Ben's feelings, except possibly as a way to apply pressure to get what they want.

I think keeping it cold, polite and factual is they way here. You didn't agree to to pay anything towards Ben going, were still wanting to meet and discuss things, when they offered to pay and (as far as is known) they went ahead and booked. There isn't even any evidence that it has been booked (or at least, Ben's part).

I hope that these people do fuck off quickly, so that you and Ben and your family can get some peace Thanks

girlinacoma · 17/09/2016 21:41

raffles - just replied to your PM, thank you so much. Very interesting and at those prices I'm half tempted to go along myself and be very, very annoying Wink

Anuska - everything I do embarrasses him, just as it does my own children. In a way I find this quite touching Smile

It feels weird referring to our 'own' children and then Ben but not sure how else to phrase it.

I've not heard any more from them and not replied yet. I'm worried that it will all start at College again on Monday with his Ex so I'd like to send them a text this evening. Not sure if I should or what to say :/

OP posts:
stickystick · 17/09/2016 21:48

Has he got an ISA or a JISA? Because he can't touch a JISA until he's 18

Anushka · 17/09/2016 21:52

We as parents are very embarrassing, it's because we never lived and are ancient, well that's what my dc say anyway.
Can you speak to your dh and draft up a reply? I think I'd say an extremely brief you are seeking legal advice regarding their harassment. Hopefully this will get the xgf to leave him alone at college. It's odd that they were sending flippant comments last night and now nothing today.... They were probably drunk too!

Haffdonga · 17/09/2016 22:11

I like you girl Smile

Of everything in this, it sounds like Ben is the most important issue, so perhaps concentrate on what would be helpful to him. For that reason I think a once-off very clear response from you to them would be useful, saying there will be no payment because you did not ever agree to pay for this holiday. You can add that if they have any questions they should direct them to you not Ben.

Then you need to prepare Ben to have an answer for the snidey remarks at college. He could say that girlinacoma wont let me discuss it girlinacoma is taking advice and says you have to ask her not me . Or just shrug and say dunno^ .

Whatever he says, he needs a strategy that he's comfortable with. Does he understand your reasons for not paying? He sounds like a decent kid. Good luck to you all.

girlinacoma · 17/09/2016 23:09

Thank you Haffdonga Flowers

His coping strategy seems to be just to erupt emotionally. He gets very very angry although kind of with himself and the world in general (he has never given the impression he would react in a physical way).

He will also run, quite literally away from whatever has upset him and I really need him to stay in college as his confidence and the feeling of 'belonging' there is very fragile. He still has a deep mistrust of his tutors because they are friendly and treat him with respect and ask his opinion on things and to him, this is 'weird and fucked up'.

He is getting higher grades than our DS1 and also both of our DD's (twins) who are away at Uni now but in the past he has accused us of orchestrating this with his tutors to make him feel better about himself. He's bloody hard work!

The College Head is absolutely fab though - think I might chat with her on Monday and let her know the situation in more detail as she takes absolutely no shit from anyone and might be best way to tackle ex-girlfriend and harassment.

He had a chat with my doddery old auntie earlier and she thinks we should pay up and draw a line under it. Spectacularly fucking helpful that was Hmm

OP posts:
annielouise · 17/09/2016 23:34

My only concern would be the ex GF spreading rumours and bitching about him at college, turning people against him. I think you need to nip it in the bud and threaten police if they persist with all this. Perhaps the ex police woman mother of friend can advise on this. It's harassment.

They're total pure pisstakers. They have no evidence of you saying you'd pay. What they going to do, take you to the small claims court on no evidence? They don't have a leg to stand on. You can do something about the harassment though.

Good luck!

1NeedPampering · 18/09/2016 10:49

I'd strongly suspect it's not them but the GF. She wants to take someone else and they can't afford another payment or they don't like new friend.
She's trying to get money out of you/Ben so can take new friend & remove excuses. She'd not know they could change name on ticket - that's grown up experience!
They sounded like nice people. Ask them if the messages are theirs. If yes they are all the naughty words, if not they and Ben need to know about nasty daughter.

1NeedPampering · 18/09/2016 10:58

Don't text. Use phone or f2f. You need to be sure who you're talking too.
Do it stone cold sober so you get the details if it is them
If it is then get angry!
Hope the work situation works out too. This is all horrible for you allSad

greenlolly · 18/09/2016 13:42

That's a very good point. Are you sure this coming from the parents and not the ex-GF?

T0ddlerSlave · 18/09/2016 13:57

Also surely the parents would have a different room to the daughter and your son that they would still need. The difference between single occupancy and full occupancy is low, even with all inclusive.

TaliDiNozzo · 18/09/2016 14:06

You're a good person OP.

I suspect the others who have mentioned this being the ex-gf rather than the parents may well be right. Possibly something was mentioned at home but the ex has blown it all further up as revenge.

Longtime · 20/09/2016 08:12

Hope all went well yesterday girlinacoma

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