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They want us to pay. I don't think we should.

196 replies

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 20:01

Background: We have teenage children of our own and we are also guardians for a 17 year old "Ben" (not real name obviously)

Ben has been going out with a girl for the last 12 ish months or so (t's been a bit on and off) but they have known each other for a bit longer than this as were good friends beforehand.

His girlfriend lives with her mum and step dad and they are getting married in January. After the wedding they are planning to go to Mauritius for 2 weeks and Ben's girlfriend will be joining her parents. The issue is that Ben had been invited too.

To begin with, we said no because as much as would have liked him to go, it was a hell of a lot of money. It's not that we couldn't have found the money because that would have been possible but it was not the sort of money we have lying around.

Plus - relationships can be tricky at the best of times (particularly when you're younger) and there was obviously a risk that the relationship would break down prior to the holiday and it would be doubtful we'd get our money back.

However the girlfriends parents came back and told us not to worry because they had intended to pay for everything themselves (his flight, all inclusive package etc) but suggested he should bring some spending money (no problem)

They made it sound as if they really wanted their daughter to have him there as company so that they could enjoy their honeymoon shag-fest

So we agreed and obviously thanked them profusely etc etc as it was an incredibly generous offer.

Well now you can probably guess what has happened - they've split up and things are hideous between them. Nothing amicable what so ever and they are no longer even friends. He's devastated Sad

His ex-girlfriend now wants to invite someone else on holiday with her (not sure if just friend or new boyfriend) and that is obviously fine and non of our business.

But her parents now want to be refunded for the money that they spent for Ben and want us to pay them £2100.00

There is no fucking way we are prepared to do this as the agreement all along was that they would cover all the costs (on their insistence) but they are saying that we have no proof that they had insisted on paying and so we should cough up.

DH's point is that neither have they any evidence that we had agreed to pay so they can get stuffed.

They have now passed 'messages' to Ben at college (via his ex girlfriend) to say that we had agreed to pay and have now changed our minds and that he needs to speak to us and ensure we pay them.

He is now incredibly stressed about it and seems to be believing their version of events and also thinks we should pay.

I've tried so hard to explain to him what has happened but he is just too upset and embarrassed about the whole thing and wants it to go away Sad

He has approx £1500 in an ISA and has said that if we don't pay, he will use that cash and I just want to fucking cry.

This is a boy who has been to hell and back over the last 10 years, I can't even go into the details of what he has been through but 2 years ago I got onto a bus and found him sitting at the back soaked to the skin as he had been wondering about in the rain and sleeping rough for a few nights with the clothes on his back. He had been completely disowned by his parents (complete and utter fucking cutting bastards) and long story short - he ended up living with us.

We managed to support him through his GCSE's and he scraped enough grades to get into college. He has been doing so well but is pretty fragile and now this has happened.

I can't and won't pay this bloody money (DH is now facing a possible redundancy which complicates things and is a massive worry) so I have no problem what so ever 'sticking to my guns' as far as they are concerned.

But what about Ben? I feel as if by refusing to pay I will be destroying everything we have worked so hard to achieve on his behalf (our relationship for one thing as his relationships with most people are quite fragile)

I'm not a push over. I'm a very upfront, confident and outspoken person. I would never allow myself to be blackmailed or intimidated by anyone. I am too old for this shit but I feel utterly stumped.

I literally don't know what to say or think and I'm so angry. I need someone to talk me through this as I'm terrified of ruining everything that this amazing young person has achieved.

We should never have agreed to the holiday but then we couldn't really refuse. He's not our child, we have no legal guardianship for him, he could have just gone anyway if he had wanted to.

I am pissed. As in actually quite drunk. And also pissed.

I'm not even going to spell-check this and can't be arsed with smiley's either. I just want to howl Sad

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WicksEnd · 16/09/2016 21:45

You don't need a lawyer. Tell them to get fucked ( or just go quiet 😀)
He can't t access the isa anyway.
Anyone who books a holiday for teenagers in a relationship and spends thousands, needs their bumps feeling if they don't consider the fact they may not still be together by the time the holiday comes. Crackers.

Chinnygirl · 16/09/2016 21:49

Tell them that if you pay for the vacation then they should take him. You are nit going to pay for someone elses vacation.

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 21:51

Thanks chinnygirl but he wouldn't want to go now and I wouldn't let him (he doesn't know where his passport is and I do!)

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Anushka · 16/09/2016 21:54

I do hope you get this sorted, but please don't pay them, what if ex gf falls out with this friend who's going in Ben's place is she going to have to pay them £2,100? I'm sure they can transfer the name I've had two friends who similar things have happened to this year, one transferred the tickets, the other dd just went on her own....who would want to go with an ex partner and the parents wouldn't ask ex bf to pay in case he insisted on going.

I'm a bit suspicious if the ex gf is stirring things up, I know you have had an email from the parents but it's still not necessarily them sending it. Send them an email (perhaps not tonight though) along the lines of the replies above, even if ex gf is intercepting things she might back off if police/college are threatened.

Don't beat yourself over falling out with Ben, we are all human and under extreme stress.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/09/2016 21:55

Can you ask tell Ben to block -ex-gf's parents (and ex gf) from his phone and tell him and you and your DH will deal with it?

I wouldn't let him withdraw money to pay them, that's for sure. They offered to pay, it's their lookout. Too bad, so dad, they lose.

I second getting advice from either CAB or a solicitor.

fabulous01 · 16/09/2016 21:58

I think it is a con too. Ask for a full and detailed invoice and they will soon go away. Plus also threaten harassment
If Ben wants to pay take money and bank it for him in another account. Hopefully he will never know.
Good luck. They sound horrid as names can be changed and they should have thought of that situation happening anyway

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 22:01

So I'm going to make it very clear to them that we won't be paying a single penny and ask them to stop contacting us. Will threaten to involve lawyer if they try to harass him.

Will also speak to the college on Monday too and his Social Worker just so they are aware.

His friends Dad has messaged me to say he is with them and they are happy for him to stay the night so now I know where he is. I've texted him to apologise and check he's ok but he's not replied. That's fine though.

He turns 18 on Boxing Day so not quite sure what happens to his ISA then? It's a Junior ISA via Lloyds but I a bit confused actually as to how it was set up as I can't remember how we did it. We opened it for him when we opened an under 19 account for him. I'm guessing that once he's turned 18 he can then contact the bank and access the money himself. His money of course so his choice entirely.

I'm coming to terms with the fact that our relationship is not entirely my responsibility, he is responsible too. I'll keep trying but I need to stop being afraid of upsetting him.

Thank you everyone, I do feel calmer x

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misspiggy22 · 16/09/2016 22:03

It sounds like you should first sober up and then apologise to Ben. It's not going to help throwing insults at him. He needs a sober strong adult at this time.

Re the £ - don't give them a penny.. clearly you don't owe them anything - also sounds like they are pulling a fast one and may well be trying to con you out of a few grand. I'd def get some legal advice and contact the police etc.. Good luck with it.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 16/09/2016 22:03

Gosh, what a drama! I've read most of the thread but has it been clarified if op and her dh have spoken to the ex gf's parents yet?

SharonfromEON · 16/09/2016 22:06

Sorry I have not read all for pages.

In my legal expereince ( watching Judge Rinder) they have no evidence you agreed to pay anything ( as you didn't)..They would have to Prove there was a contract .

I also agree tell them if you approach Ben you will contact the police for harrasment. It may well be worth doing a sols letter to close it in its finality.

Anushka · 16/09/2016 22:10

Does he trust his social worker? Could he/she have a chat with him? I don't begin to understand your situation but surely they have some responsibility and can help, or did this all stop when he reached 16?

CeolNaMara · 16/09/2016 22:11

My DH was taken in by someone like you at a similar age to Ben. That kindness changed his life - and probably saved it.

I know this isn't the subject of your thread and I don't want to derail, I just want to say how very, very glad I am that you and Ben found each other.

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 22:17

I am normally a strong sober adult miss piggy.

Today has been horrific (for reasons totally separate to this one) and I had a massive fuck it moment (or 3).

I have just received another text from them which just says "well?!!!!!" so I guess they are alluding to the previous texts as I have completely ignored them.

I'm trying to compose a once and for all reply and then tempted to block them.

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RTKangaMummy · 16/09/2016 22:19

IMHO I would continue to ignore the texts let them stew on it

Do not react or reply IMHO

cheekyfunkymonkey · 16/09/2016 22:23

Get legal advice and then tell them to go screw themselves

vjg13 · 16/09/2016 22:23

Don't text back tonight, whatever you put you'll regret it tomorrow.

Mummyme1987 · 16/09/2016 22:23

A quick please stop contacting us as we will take this as harassment and report it to the police. We will not be paying you a penny.

Justaboy · 16/09/2016 22:24

Poor Ben & poor you:-(

I think I'd call their bluff on this one . They offered to pay originality you didn't and its their offer that's in dispute, I don';t think legally they have a leg to stand on either. I also suspect that they may have insurance that covers cancellations and all that which covers their losses.

I'm pretty certain at at his under 18 age his ISA is safe from their clutches.

I reckon you should stand your ground with them seems your good at that anyway:)

Don't wish to cause any upset but how is it that a lad with his background and all the poor sod has been through that he is getting married at the age of 17 anyway?. Can he really cope with all that and what it entails?

GDarling · 16/09/2016 22:26

Would he listen to yr other children's advice?
You are a Wonder Woman/Mum, 5 kids to care for..👼🏼💃🍷💐

paranormalish · 16/09/2016 22:26

They haven't got a leg to stand on.

Justaboy · 16/09/2016 22:26

Don't text anything back this evening in the state your in apart from

"we will be contacting our solicitor on Monday and cannot comment any further on the matter"

or very similar!

prettywhiteguitar · 16/09/2016 22:27

Yeah ignore ignore ignore and tell Ben that they are being totally unreasonable, they are trying to guilt him into getting you to cough up the money. They can fark right off.

sooperdooper · 16/09/2016 22:36

They're utter morons, ignore them and don't pay a penny

Gatehouse77 · 16/09/2016 22:42

I wouldn't engage with the other family at all. Nada. Nothing.

As for your relationship with Ben, I'd start by apologising for what you said and the manner in what DH it was said. Admit your mistake because we all make them and explain why you are feeling so emotional about the whole fiasco.

When he comes home ask him for a time when you can sit down and talk it all through calmly. If he's feeling pressured tell him that you want to take that away for him, that's what you want to do for him as his 'parent'.

Would he consider changing his number so they cannot contact him but can only do it through you?
Is there some parallel you can draw to help him understand that the ex's parents are in the wrong and he is not responsible for this current outcome?
What's his relationship like with your other kids? Would it be helpful to include them in the discussion?

AnotherPrickInTheWall · 16/09/2016 22:49

They offered to pay for your teenage son to go on their honeymoon. He's a just a daft kid like his XGF and they are asking you to cough up?.
Call their bluff and ask them to take it to the small claims court if they want to pursue the matter further..