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They want us to pay. I don't think we should.

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girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 20:01

Background: We have teenage children of our own and we are also guardians for a 17 year old "Ben" (not real name obviously)

Ben has been going out with a girl for the last 12 ish months or so (t's been a bit on and off) but they have known each other for a bit longer than this as were good friends beforehand.

His girlfriend lives with her mum and step dad and they are getting married in January. After the wedding they are planning to go to Mauritius for 2 weeks and Ben's girlfriend will be joining her parents. The issue is that Ben had been invited too.

To begin with, we said no because as much as would have liked him to go, it was a hell of a lot of money. It's not that we couldn't have found the money because that would have been possible but it was not the sort of money we have lying around.

Plus - relationships can be tricky at the best of times (particularly when you're younger) and there was obviously a risk that the relationship would break down prior to the holiday and it would be doubtful we'd get our money back.

However the girlfriends parents came back and told us not to worry because they had intended to pay for everything themselves (his flight, all inclusive package etc) but suggested he should bring some spending money (no problem)

They made it sound as if they really wanted their daughter to have him there as company so that they could enjoy their honeymoon shag-fest

So we agreed and obviously thanked them profusely etc etc as it was an incredibly generous offer.

Well now you can probably guess what has happened - they've split up and things are hideous between them. Nothing amicable what so ever and they are no longer even friends. He's devastated Sad

His ex-girlfriend now wants to invite someone else on holiday with her (not sure if just friend or new boyfriend) and that is obviously fine and non of our business.

But her parents now want to be refunded for the money that they spent for Ben and want us to pay them £2100.00

There is no fucking way we are prepared to do this as the agreement all along was that they would cover all the costs (on their insistence) but they are saying that we have no proof that they had insisted on paying and so we should cough up.

DH's point is that neither have they any evidence that we had agreed to pay so they can get stuffed.

They have now passed 'messages' to Ben at college (via his ex girlfriend) to say that we had agreed to pay and have now changed our minds and that he needs to speak to us and ensure we pay them.

He is now incredibly stressed about it and seems to be believing their version of events and also thinks we should pay.

I've tried so hard to explain to him what has happened but he is just too upset and embarrassed about the whole thing and wants it to go away Sad

He has approx £1500 in an ISA and has said that if we don't pay, he will use that cash and I just want to fucking cry.

This is a boy who has been to hell and back over the last 10 years, I can't even go into the details of what he has been through but 2 years ago I got onto a bus and found him sitting at the back soaked to the skin as he had been wondering about in the rain and sleeping rough for a few nights with the clothes on his back. He had been completely disowned by his parents (complete and utter fucking cutting bastards) and long story short - he ended up living with us.

We managed to support him through his GCSE's and he scraped enough grades to get into college. He has been doing so well but is pretty fragile and now this has happened.

I can't and won't pay this bloody money (DH is now facing a possible redundancy which complicates things and is a massive worry) so I have no problem what so ever 'sticking to my guns' as far as they are concerned.

But what about Ben? I feel as if by refusing to pay I will be destroying everything we have worked so hard to achieve on his behalf (our relationship for one thing as his relationships with most people are quite fragile)

I'm not a push over. I'm a very upfront, confident and outspoken person. I would never allow myself to be blackmailed or intimidated by anyone. I am too old for this shit but I feel utterly stumped.

I literally don't know what to say or think and I'm so angry. I need someone to talk me through this as I'm terrified of ruining everything that this amazing young person has achieved.

We should never have agreed to the holiday but then we couldn't really refuse. He's not our child, we have no legal guardianship for him, he could have just gone anyway if he had wanted to.

I am pissed. As in actually quite drunk. And also pissed.

I'm not even going to spell-check this and can't be arsed with smiley's either. I just want to howl Sad

OP posts:
NotTheFordType · 17/09/2016 15:29

I told him I wouldn't and he gave me a hug. This is the first hug we have EVER had.

I must have something in my eye...

You're doing an amazing thing there OP. KOKO!

girlinacoma · 17/09/2016 15:32

Thanks everyone.

I have a feeling that this isn't over just yet as ex and family won't give up but at least we seem to be on the same page (ish) on how to deal with it (hopefully).

Will see what Monday brings.

They are arguing over a business name now. I'm staying clear! Grin

OP posts:
girlinacoma · 17/09/2016 15:35

Thanks NotThe FordType

It was a slightly awkward 'sideways on' hug rather than the full 'bring it in' type hug that our family are known for. But a hug is a hug, he even patted my shoulder a bit as he was trying to reassure me I think.

I've just remembered that bit and now I'm crying again (daft bat!) Grin

OP posts:
RaspberryOverload · 17/09/2016 15:38

Lovely update, OP. Glad Ben and you have been able to talk.

And the spicy condiment type of business sounds very interesting. I'd certainly be interested in what's on offer Grin

LittleDittyAbout · 17/09/2016 15:39

You and your family are wonderful.

DoreenLethal · 17/09/2016 15:47

Can I just point out that actually, Ben isn't even going on any holiday so doesn't owe anyone a bean.

Also, if they are getting a friend to go they could be trying to harass Ben out of savings, whilst also getting the new person to pay in full thereby getting double bubble for it. Nasty people. Apple not falling far from the tree and all that...

Isitjustmeorisiteveryoneelse · 17/09/2016 15:51

Ah good.....please tell them to hurry, I need some spicy condiments.....

randomer · 17/09/2016 15:52

quick thought.....you can ask for a change of social worker. DO NOT COMMUNICATE by text or face to ace with these people without a reliable,neutral party there.

Everything in writing from now on. Reassure Ben...its all being dealt with, do not under any circumstances discuss this on social media.

JacquettaWoodville · 17/09/2016 15:55

Aww to hugs

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 17/09/2016 16:07

So glad that Ben has come round to your way of thinking and you got your hug!

Hope he realises that these people are greedy fuckers, and if his ex was a nasty piece of work, then it's fairly clear that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, isn't it! :( Angry

If they continue to harass you, or especially Ben, then a cease and desist notice might be a good idea (not sure if they're still called that) - but you'd need a solicitor for that.

Keep all the text messages, do not reply.

diddl · 17/09/2016 16:10

If they have someone else lined up to go then they can ask that person for some or all of the money, can't they?

It's a lesson learned for them-don't give in to teens demands re boyfriends/girlfriends & holidays!

chocolateworshipper · 17/09/2016 16:10

I told him I wouldn't and he gave me a hug. This is the first hug we have EVER had.

I must have something in my eye...

Whatever you have seems to be infectious. Pass the tissue box ...

Rubies12345 · 17/09/2016 16:21

Sorry to be different here but if he was the one to dump her (effectively being the one to change the plans) then that changes things.

I'd be inclined to pay the admin fee to change it over to the friend.

Cagliostro · 17/09/2016 16:26

I may have welled up reading about the hug :)

Greenkit · 17/09/2016 16:26

Just an amazing family xx

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 17/09/2016 16:33

I'm so pleased you have been able to talk to Ben (and hug it out Smile)

Everything seems worse in the dead of night with just your thoughts and a bottle of wine Grin, you sound as though a small weight has been lifted today.

Hangover tip; Drink fizzy drinks and eat cheese and/or crisps.

Lynnm63 · 17/09/2016 16:37

I told him I wouldn't and he gave me a hug. This is the first hug we have EVER had.

I must have something in my eye...

Whatever you have seems to be infectious. Pass the tissue box ...

Same here ....also wipes eye
So glad Ben has come round. Now tell the parents to Fuck Off as they wont be getting a penny and if they or their daughter continue to harass Ben you will contact the police. If they wish to take the matter further you suggest they issue proceedings through the local County Court. They don't have a legal leg to stand on. If they continue then call the police.

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/09/2016 16:40

See what you are saying Rubies. However these people offered to pay for the trip with no strings attached. Had the split been more amicable or the people more reasonable instead of aggressive, maybe.

You and your family sound fab op.

PaulDacreCuntyMcCuntFace · 17/09/2016 16:40

Rubies - I disagree. The OP made it quite clear that it was this exact scenario that meant she was reluctant to sanction Ben going on the holiday. She also made it clear that she would like a bit more discussion about arrangements etc., but the Ex GF's parents ploughed ahead regardless and booked a place for him. They chose to spend the cash, therefore it's on them.

A fool and their money are soon parted - this is a perfect illustration of that.

Diamogs · 17/09/2016 16:45

OP you and your family are bloody awesome. That is all Flowers

Rafflesway · 17/09/2016 16:53

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Doublemint · 17/09/2016 17:07

What a lovely family you have built. Strong and loving. The grabbing xgf parents don't know who they've messed with! Hope you don't have to go down the lawyer route in fairly sure if nothing was in writing then they can't do a thing. Even the verbal agreement wasn't that he should pay anything back. I'd be tempted to say you'll go in his place! Grin just to see the reply!

Adnerb95 · 17/09/2016 17:08

raffles - v useful

Also, the amount definitely looks like not just a flight, doesn't it!?

Even long haul, this is pricey.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 17/09/2016 17:18

Methinks they have spotted an opportunity for you to subsidise their expensive honeymoon!

Ooohhh, that's an excellent point, Raffles!

Maybe they'd have more luck if they wrote a little poem. Mumsnetters love us a good grabby wedding poem, we does. Grin

Amy writers out there?...

Rafflesway · 17/09/2016 17:23

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