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They want us to pay. I don't think we should.

196 replies

girlinacoma · 16/09/2016 20:01

Background: We have teenage children of our own and we are also guardians for a 17 year old "Ben" (not real name obviously)

Ben has been going out with a girl for the last 12 ish months or so (t's been a bit on and off) but they have known each other for a bit longer than this as were good friends beforehand.

His girlfriend lives with her mum and step dad and they are getting married in January. After the wedding they are planning to go to Mauritius for 2 weeks and Ben's girlfriend will be joining her parents. The issue is that Ben had been invited too.

To begin with, we said no because as much as would have liked him to go, it was a hell of a lot of money. It's not that we couldn't have found the money because that would have been possible but it was not the sort of money we have lying around.

Plus - relationships can be tricky at the best of times (particularly when you're younger) and there was obviously a risk that the relationship would break down prior to the holiday and it would be doubtful we'd get our money back.

However the girlfriends parents came back and told us not to worry because they had intended to pay for everything themselves (his flight, all inclusive package etc) but suggested he should bring some spending money (no problem)

They made it sound as if they really wanted their daughter to have him there as company so that they could enjoy their honeymoon shag-fest

So we agreed and obviously thanked them profusely etc etc as it was an incredibly generous offer.

Well now you can probably guess what has happened - they've split up and things are hideous between them. Nothing amicable what so ever and they are no longer even friends. He's devastated Sad

His ex-girlfriend now wants to invite someone else on holiday with her (not sure if just friend or new boyfriend) and that is obviously fine and non of our business.

But her parents now want to be refunded for the money that they spent for Ben and want us to pay them £2100.00

There is no fucking way we are prepared to do this as the agreement all along was that they would cover all the costs (on their insistence) but they are saying that we have no proof that they had insisted on paying and so we should cough up.

DH's point is that neither have they any evidence that we had agreed to pay so they can get stuffed.

They have now passed 'messages' to Ben at college (via his ex girlfriend) to say that we had agreed to pay and have now changed our minds and that he needs to speak to us and ensure we pay them.

He is now incredibly stressed about it and seems to be believing their version of events and also thinks we should pay.

I've tried so hard to explain to him what has happened but he is just too upset and embarrassed about the whole thing and wants it to go away Sad

He has approx £1500 in an ISA and has said that if we don't pay, he will use that cash and I just want to fucking cry.

This is a boy who has been to hell and back over the last 10 years, I can't even go into the details of what he has been through but 2 years ago I got onto a bus and found him sitting at the back soaked to the skin as he had been wondering about in the rain and sleeping rough for a few nights with the clothes on his back. He had been completely disowned by his parents (complete and utter fucking cutting bastards) and long story short - he ended up living with us.

We managed to support him through his GCSE's and he scraped enough grades to get into college. He has been doing so well but is pretty fragile and now this has happened.

I can't and won't pay this bloody money (DH is now facing a possible redundancy which complicates things and is a massive worry) so I have no problem what so ever 'sticking to my guns' as far as they are concerned.

But what about Ben? I feel as if by refusing to pay I will be destroying everything we have worked so hard to achieve on his behalf (our relationship for one thing as his relationships with most people are quite fragile)

I'm not a push over. I'm a very upfront, confident and outspoken person. I would never allow myself to be blackmailed or intimidated by anyone. I am too old for this shit but I feel utterly stumped.

I literally don't know what to say or think and I'm so angry. I need someone to talk me through this as I'm terrified of ruining everything that this amazing young person has achieved.

We should never have agreed to the holiday but then we couldn't really refuse. He's not our child, we have no legal guardianship for him, he could have just gone anyway if he had wanted to.

I am pissed. As in actually quite drunk. And also pissed.

I'm not even going to spell-check this and can't be arsed with smiley's either. I just want to howl Sad

OP posts:
Trifleorbust · 17/09/2016 08:53

Tell the parents of the ex girlfriend to jog on. Tell Ben you are his guardian and are making this decision on his behalf. He has no choice, so he can't feel responsible. Get legal advice if you continue to hear from them.

paddlenorapaddle · 17/09/2016 08:54

Have you actually seen the booking form with his name on it call me cynical but it seems like a scam to get some money off him because the daughter feels wronged in some way

Either way tell them to sod off it costs £150 at most to change the name on a booking

Danglyweed · 17/09/2016 09:16

Id be so tempted to ask for flight booking references and try cancel all the flights, bastards! Angry

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 17/09/2016 09:27

Nothing is in writing, there was no contract, makes no sense why they are after a total refund, they just need to change the name on the ticket WHICH THEY SHOULD FUND AS THEY SAID THEY'D PAY FOR EVERYTHING!Angry

PoisonWitch · 17/09/2016 11:00

Utter cunts.

Blu · 17/09/2016 11:19

He is vulnerable here. He is being harassed. As you do not have legal guardianship I think you must tell his social worker. It is actually a safeguarding thing. A teen being harassed out of his savings.

chocolateworshipper · 17/09/2016 11:30

Actually, that is such a good point Blu - I completely agree

dowhatnow · 17/09/2016 11:30

Send them a text to say that you will be consulting solicitors regarding the financial matter and the harassment of Ben.
Meet with Ben and the social worker.

tabulahrasa · 17/09/2016 11:47

The only thing they'll need to pay is a fee to change the name on the flight...it'll be somewhere between £20 and £150 depending on the airline.

The accommodation won't even care, never mind charge for it.

They're either really stupid or trying to get money out of you.

NightWanderer · 17/09/2016 11:49

As tempting as it is, don't ask for details or suggest changing the booking. Just tell them that you are categorically not going to pay and that if they contact either yourself or Ben one more time, then you will be reporting them to the police for harassment. Then, block their number.

Definitely chat to his college and social worker about it all. The money's not your problem, the harassment is.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 17/09/2016 12:26

I agree with Night Wanderer.

And definitely have a chat about black mail because this is it!!

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 17/09/2016 12:27

... but I had to work an hour and a half to pay for that or yes but we could have bought a third of those trainers you wanted ...

Excellent point, Anushka - we've been doing that with DD.

OP, I agree with everybody else. You don't owe them a brass farthing, and get Ben's social worker involved over this harassment.

2kids2dogsnosense · 17/09/2016 12:28

NB. He's too young to make a contract anyway (not that there was one).

You are not his legal guardian and so are in no way financially responsible for ANYTHING relating to him.

Tell Ben this - I know he just wants it to go away, but if they get any money this vindictive little cow girl will crow over him forever, and probably flash jewellery etc saying "Look what my new boyfriend bought me when I took him on the holiday that BEN PAID FOR! Hahahaha."

Don't give her the satisfaction.

Cary2012 · 17/09/2016 13:08

Don't offer to change bookings, don't engage other than 'All further communications regarding this matter will be via our solicitor', in response to any more texts.

If only there were more people like you in the world, and less like them OP!

And agree about getting the social worker on board.

Cherrysoup · 17/09/2016 13:46

£90 change of name on ticket for plane flights. Tell them to do one, tough. If the place/ticket will be used by someone else, why the fuck should you pay?

girlinacoma · 17/09/2016 14:48

Thanks everyone, not had chance to come online but trying to answer all of the questions Smile

I don't have any written record of them stating they were happy to cover all of the costs (but then they have no evidence either that we had agreed to contribute).

The initial discussions were all just verbal as I insisted (much to Ben's mortification) on speaking to his girlfriends Mum to find out more about the arrangements.

They didn't provide me with any timeline of what was being paid or when but then that's no surprise as since they were handling it all themselves, why would they?

I hadn't realised that things had been booked or paid for until the Ex Girlfriend started to mention it casually in conversation to Ben or when round at ours.

I had been trying to arrange a proper 'get together' or coffee with the Mum and/or stepdad so that they could fill me in on more details before the trip (resort/flights/plans etc) but this conversation didn't happen (presumably because they split up).

Recently, communication has been via text to both myself and Ben (since the split) asking us to pay up "what we now owe'. Hmm

EX GF had also mentioned things to Ben in college about how upset her parents are and how this has 'soured' the wedding plans Hmm

I haven't seen any concrete evidence of he actual booking or cancellation arrangements/cost and don't intend to ask (since I don't intend to pay, so why would I?)

Ben came home this morning and we had a heart to heart. I think his friend's parents (who he stayed with last night) also had a chat with him or at least a few things were mentioned which seemed to have left a good impression on him. Friend's mum is ex police and he listens to her! No idea what was said though.

I think he feels more comfortable now with the principle of us not paying.

He asked me not to let him near his ISA for a very, very long time. I told him I wouldn't and he gave me a hug. This is the first hug we have EVER had.

We are a very 'huggy' family but he is not and the first time I tried to hug him he went as stiff as a board so I have never attempted to repeat it Grin

Recently though there have been the occasional 'bro hugs' between him and our sons. It's usually followed by thumps and pretend punches but it's a start.

I think he may accept a few more hugs from me in the future Smile

He texted my husband to ask when he was back from his trip as they were going to do a bit of kayaking locally and couldn't remember the date. So I think he might actually be looking to put some of this behind him and start getting back to normal?

Incidentally, it was Ben that broke off the relationship but only because she was being so vile (I had assumed she broke it off). He was (and still is) utterly devastated by the whole thing and finds it hard being around her at college but I am so fucking proud of him for doing that because god only knows what relationships he witnessed or experienced growing up. He broke away from a toxic relationship though and however painful, it takes bloody guts to do it.

What else?

Social Worker, not on the scene much now and Ben not keen on her. Contact hasn't been that great (from her) and usually only just checking in with me or DH. Anyway, I will let her know tomorrow but not expecting anything from her. Ben wanted absolute no contact from his family but she told his Mum which college he was attending so he understandably doesn't trust her Angry

We're just about to sit down (me and the 3 boys) as they want to start a small online business together selling via a Facebook page (think spicy condiments!). So Ben and DS1 have gone to Tesco to buy chocolate biscuits and then we are going to get a web address registered.

DS 2 wants me to get off the laptop so that he can start on a design for the logo so I am about to be booted off Smile

Thank you so much everyone Flowers

It wasn't the parents I was afraid of (they can go to hell quite frankly) but I was terrified of Ben's reaction (i.e him storming out or running off etc) as he/we have come so far and I just want him to continue in a forward direction but I don't feel as afraid now. As a family, we are absolutely everything he was brought up to despise and so I do still find myself trying to second guess what he is thinking or feeling about me/us etc.

I feel emotionally drained and slightly hungover so might have a nap while they plan their business empire Grin

You are all amazing xxx

OP posts:
dowhatnow · 17/09/2016 14:51

Oh so pleased that he has come round to the fact that the storm needs to be weathered but that you will all stand firm together.

ExitPursuedBySpartacus · 17/09/2016 15:01
Smile
TheForeignOffice · 17/09/2016 15:08
Smile
IhatchedaSnorlax · 17/09/2016 15:08

So pleased to hear the update Op. Totally agree with not paying a penny as you guys don't owe anything & glad Ben is realising that too.

Great he's opening up to hugs - you're obviously doing a fantastic job as a family together.

Hope your hangover is gone!

RockinHippy · 17/09/2016 15:19

Wonderful update & so pleased you got a well deserved hug from "Ben"

I really wanted to believe this was a spiteful immature teen, but I suppose some people are just vile chancers. Really glad you are pulling together & Ben is seeing sense, he sounds like an amazing young man, yiu & your family should be very proud of yourselves there Smile

Good luck with their spicy condiments empire

RockinHippy · 17/09/2016 15:19

Wonderful update & so pleased you got a well deserved hug from "Ben"

I really wanted to believe this was a spiteful immature teen, but I suppose some people are just vile chancers. Really glad you are pulling together & Ben is seeing sense, he sounds like an amazing young man, yiu & your family should be very proud of yourselves there Smile

Good luck with their spicy condiments empire

Cary2012 · 17/09/2016 15:20

I think you're bloody amazing OP

2kids2dogsnosense · 17/09/2016 15:23

Wonderful news - especially the he is happily back with you and the rest of the family and things seem to be easier for you all. If his mate's mam is ex-police, she will have been able to settle his mind about a few things.

I am so glad that this nasty family isn't going to bully him into paying up out of his hard-won savings. (His social worker sounds like a prize cow, betraying his confidence like that - shameful.)

Gatehouse77 · 17/09/2016 15:25

I agree with Cary2012

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