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Dating a man with no kids long distance - he doesn't want the kids to be part of our life together, am I a fool?

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papermoon55 · 20/07/2016 10:10

So,

Have been dating a man for over a year and a half. Am completely in love with him, he makes me laugh, he is kind, attentive, loving, honest, committed, intelligent, emotionally stable, rational, and generally gorgeous. He is also newly in the forces (following career change) and is extremely driven career wise. We met when he was stationed near me for initial training, and is now based 4hrs drive away. We meet up every other weekend, sometimes less frequently, usually halfway (both of us driving 2 hrs) as he owns a house which is roughly in the middle.

I met him as I was coming out of a 15 year relationship with my now ex. We have two DC, 10 and 8. All amicable with the ex and children have coped with separation very well. I have only recently told the DC about this chap as I didn't feel it necessary to mention him - he wasn't likely to become a factor in their life any time soon.

When I am with new chap (do I call him DP?) we have amazing weekends together, doing all the grown-up things you can do without children, living close to London, shows, parties, balls, all very exciting and wonderful.

However, I am finding the distance difficult, finding the concept of us never living together (not for next 10 years anyway) depressing, getting to the point where I want to spend more time with him yet because he has not met the kids we can't. This weekend we finally had the conversation.

Basically he has said he doesn't see his future as a parent to my kids. He's no issue with me having kids, fully understands my commitments, and is happy that I put them first. But in his last relationship he moved in with a woman with two teenage kids, she wanted him home every weekend, he had just got into the forces and didn't want to be tied down, the weekends were focused around the kids, they never had time together, one of the kids had emotional problems, and he was basically very honest that he wanted to date the mum, not the kids.

I am basically ok with this in lots of ways. I am enjoying my independence. I wouldn't move myself/the kids even if it was on offer as my ex is here and they need the relationship with their dad. I love my child-free weekends (have never been particularly maternal) and I am very attracted to him being career-driven and focused - he's a very strong/independent character and if he turned up at my doorstep with a suitcase I'd probably run away.
However, I can't help feeling bothered by the implication that I am trying to 'trap him' in some way, and that meeting the kids would be a slippery slope to weekends of domesticity, him helping run the kids around and generally being involved in family life. That was never on the cards, I'm not offering it, they have a dad, thank you. But the voice inside me is saying that if he really loved me, the kids should be accepted as part of that package.
The other issue is that after wonderful romantic weekends with him, I often find myself feeling sad to come back home and get on with the necessary humdrum business of parenting and working full time. His life in the forces as essentially a single man is just so different to mine, and I will admit I am jealous of his freedom, his ability to focus only on himself and his career. I am a nice little bonus, reasonably fit/attractive, happy to drive 4 hours to be on his arm at posh work and social events, adoring him. But it's not real life and he knows I want more. He has just been very honest about not being able to give it.

What would you do?

OP posts:
madgingermunchkin · 20/07/2016 11:48

the bloke is perfectly happy being involved with them at things like family gatherings for birthdays and on Christmas.

And no bloke has ever said what they think a woman wants to hear to get her into bed.....
Until it actually happens, it's just words.
Right now, he has the best of both worlds. 90% of the time, he's as free as a single bloke, and the rest he has a beautiful lady on his arm for events/sex/whatever. He's already told her his career comes first, and he won't get a say in relocating when the time comes.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 20/07/2016 11:48

nelly Where has the OP indicated that her bloke isn't kind? Nowhere, from what I can read, and she says they have a fabulous time going to shows and parties and balls and I don't get the feeling - as I am sure she would have told us if it was the case - that she is paying for everything. So that leaves us with "lack of commitment" as being indicative of him being a cheater.

You know, there are also women out there who lack commitment. Are all of them cheating?

cozietoesie · 20/07/2016 11:51

Whatever else may be the case, he's not having a relationship with the whole you, though, is he?

ApostrophesMatter · 20/07/2016 11:51

but I love HIM, I'm not sure I could find anyone as perfect as him... etc etc what would you say? I am pretty sure even if I did finish with it I would spend an eternity moping and feeling that no-one else could compare with him. The way I see it, I'm screwed either way.

He isn't perfect. He's selfish and a cold fish. A perfect man would accept your family and not dictate the terms of the relationship.

You are aiming your sights far too low. He isn't even a partner, just a man you date.

mrsbrightside3 · 20/07/2016 11:52

I would just enjoy it now and see what happens - but be realistic about your future. He has been honest with you about what he wants in life.

I don't think he necessarily has to be a surrogate dad to your dc, sounds like you and your dc don;t need that anyway. But if he moves in with you then you will be a blended family no matter what. And your kids lives will effect him, you won't be able to separate that.

I am re-married and have 3 dc with my exdh - my 3 are all teenagers now and have a great close relationship with their dad, so my new dh doesn't play a dad role, however he is their friend and does enjoy doing stuff as a family with them when they are with me.

You can't live separate lives with someone when you live together.

If you are both happy with how things are now though, then just enjoy it.

NellyMelly · 20/07/2016 11:52

StillDrSeth - I say not kind as this is the feeling I get from reading the op words. The fabulous times are fabulous but the kindness to the op feelings isn't there (from what I read). It's the impression I get - you also don't know the whole story so we are writing on the words we read and interpret. I find that he would be mostly cheating as he's having great times with no relationship responsibility. Just my view.

PaintedDrivesAndPolishedGrass · 20/07/2016 11:53

Not really Op, that is how you come across. Every time you say ' I'm not maternal ' it's as if you are blaming their existence for your problems.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 20/07/2016 11:56

Nelly Fair enough. I don't read that in anything the OP has written.

I'd still like to know if you believe that all women in the same position with a lack of commitment and career minded are probably cheaters. I object to sweeping sexist generalisations in EITHER gender.

NellyMelly · 20/07/2016 12:00

I'm not making any generalisations or even on gender. The op says her partner is a man so I'm writing about her partner not all men or all women or even transgender or same sex couples or any mix or anything; Respect to all. I am writing on the issues in this post.. If you want to discuss this topic, that you propose, then I'm happy to write on any post that you would create on this matter.

SausageDogGeorge · 20/07/2016 12:00

Speaking from experience......the only option you have is to split. What you have with him is not real life - its a (great!) fantasy (takes you away from the hum-drum life of washing, ironing, cooking, general kid stuff) but it can't last. Sorry.

Parsley1234 · 20/07/2016 12:01

My boyfriend was like yours is we've been together 5 years we live 4 hours away and spend weekends together now sometimes with my son aged 12. I wanted more from the beginning but I was not interested in compromising the beautiful relationship I have with my son and so 5 years on we see each other weekends at either house, we go away together, he plays golf with my son and they get on well. What I would do in your situation is enjoy what you have and focus on your kids they are little for so short a time - in my experience most men dating a single parent want to get too involved too quickly. Just have fun have great times see what happens trust me keep your kids separate my bf didn't meant my son for 3 yes 3 years .

pictish · 20/07/2016 12:02

Also OP...the time you spend with him is charmed. It's all romance, sex and good times and none of the humdrum of real, actual daily life...no wonder you see him as some sort of glittering prize.

maddiesparks · 20/07/2016 12:06

Because you don't live with him, only see him every other week, don't have the mundane day in day out niggles of everyday cohabiting relationships and the fact that he is slightly all of and unobtainable is probably making you view him and your relationship with him with rose tinted glasses. This situation might actually be ideal for some people as a previous poster said. I think the problem here is you are still in the full throes of lust with him and so you are starting to resent your children for preventing you from having a more committed relationship with him. I think you are on dangerous territory here and need to take a step back. If it were me I'd be distancing myself for a while and revaluating it in a few months time. It doesn't sound like it's going anywhere really and I think you are the one that will get hurt here.

NickiFury · 20/07/2016 12:07

There's too much "hum drum" about life if you ask me! I see no harm in a bit of stepping out of the hum drum and as often as possible.

I am finding this thread interesting in that so many people on here really do seem invested in this idea that all relationships have to encompass the day to day and nitty gritty. I just don't agree with that at all, why can't life be compartmentalised with a relationship being a lovely treat away from the daily grind? Am not judging by the way, the different points of view interest me.

LineyReborn · 20/07/2016 12:07

If he is a career-minded army person, he WILL be posted to a place far, far away. Possibly quite soon.

Have you talked about that eventuality?

mouldycheesefan · 20/07/2016 12:09

I don't think you should split. Enjoy this relationship for what it is. But obviously accept that it will continue to be fun and romantic but you won't be moving in together. It sounds fine to me!

mouldycheesefan · 20/07/2016 12:10

I see no problem with a relationship that is free of hum drum nitty gritty. Enjoy it.

ArcheryAnnie · 20/07/2016 12:13

I have to say, I wouldn't mind a relationship like the OP's - being swept off my feet for two days every fortnight, without having to integrate them into my life completely. I wouldn't want another spouse, man or woman! If OP is looking to build a future and a family with this man, I agree she's on a hiding to nothing, but if she's happy for it to be a separate bubble from her regular life, it's doable.

Parsley1234 · 20/07/2016 12:13

Yes to Maddie re resenting children I hold my ashamed hand up and admit to this horrible fealing. I did feal like that for a brief period but I worked through those fealings and I'm glad I did. There is no glittering prize he's just a man and by the sounds of it very focused hard working determined and selfish - just have fun x

Goingtobeawesome · 20/07/2016 12:14

It's choice time. Kids and future grandchildren or him as they will sense how you wish you were free to be with him more.

Octopush114 · 20/07/2016 12:15

I see that it's very attractive to stay but I think you have to put the kids first. I was the unwanted stepchild. Neither my stepmother nor stepfather were that interested in my parent's kids. They weren't bad to us- just dis-interested. They would rather have had my mother/father all to themselves. It's produced a legacy of smart, attractive, high performing adults with confidence/self esteem problems which has manifested as alcohol/drug use, occasion self-harm and most of us have made poor relationship choices.
Also- surely in the same way that you see that his career is really important to him- cannot he not see that your kids are really important (essential!) to you? Sounds immature at best...and very damaging for you at worst.

tigermoll · 20/07/2016 12:16

why can't life be compartmentalised with a relationship being a lovely treat away from the daily grind?

For some people it can, But not the OP, who is posting precisely because she is finding herself unsatisfied which her relationship remaining 'a lovely treat'.

I don't think anyone has said that NO ONE could be happy with the situation the OP is in (in fact, some have said they envy it) but we are discussing the OP's question, not a more general 'how should a relationship be' discussion.

Parsley1234 · 20/07/2016 12:21

Hmmm op I would have posted what you posted five years ago I longed to be with my bf more but time moves on your kids get even better and you will either grow apart or together - no one can tell.

ohdearme1958 · 20/07/2016 12:30

that's what I'm worried about, too. But I have never been very maternal. I know that's the worst thing for a mother to say and part of me questions whether I should end the relationship so I can focus on the kids, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be the right solution for me either. I realise that's immensely selfish and sad for the kids; I'm just being honest. I still feel enormous guilt for even thinking it

Could your children go and live with their dad? Because without wishing to be rude - I feel sorry for them and I only hope they're not aware of your lack of feelings for them.

SandyY2K · 20/07/2016 12:31

Long term would he want a family of his own? Do you ever go on holidays together or discuss doing it in the future, just the two of you?

I can't help thinking he's chosen to have a relationship, knowing you have children, so that he only gets involved or comitted to a certain extent.

I'm not saying that to be mean, but it's like choosing to have a relationship where you don't anticipate it to be a lifetime partnership as such.

That doesn't mean he isn't a nice guy, he may not want kids and that's why he deliberately chooses women who do have kids, so it won't be an issue if it does result in a more serious relationship.

Enjoy it and live in the moment.

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