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Thread for those who have left marriages that weren't AWFUL, just unsatisfying (pt. II)

999 replies

All0vertheplace · 22/06/2016 09:11

The last thread reached 1,000 posts (!) so here's where we can keep the discussion going. Cake and flowers to all.

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Shodan · 16/07/2016 08:24

That is good news welsh. I'm glad to hear things are moving along for you.

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misswhattodo · 16/07/2016 09:29

Argghhh!! So after the big relief of him 'allowing' us to split... he flipped it round last night trying to tall AGAIN. ended up getting to sleep around 1am. He got up with kids this morning and within 10 minutes of me getting up he has started again with emotional stuff about three kids. So stressed again now as though we had moved forward

apintofharpandapacketofdates · 16/07/2016 16:16

Miss... That will likely keep happening. You need to strengthen your resolve and know in your heart that he's lashing out verbally, and it's to be expected. (not easy I know)

I remember when I was sure I wanted to separate, I was sharing a bed with him, hanging off the side so as not to touch him... He smelled awful to me. His natural scent was jarring with me so much. Can't really explain it but I sure as hell still dislike it and am can smell him if he's even in the same room Confused

welshrarebitontheside · 16/07/2016 22:44

Misswhat -same. I think its all part of wrapping head around it here. Although i remain perplexed that this was such a surprise. All of suddenI am.getting the 11th hour promises to be the family man, proactive, interested, less resentful.
ODFOD! You had 10 years to sort that shit out.

welshrarebitontheside · 17/07/2016 20:21

Where has everyone gone?

My stbxdp has just left for the start of the 'trial'. Feel all over the place. Feel exhausted broken guilty sad full of doubt.

IronNeonClasp · 17/07/2016 20:40

Back intact. Awful. It's me. I'm stressy and vile. Kids driving me crazy and him. Plus my Mother who LOVES him it turns out. Gah! I give up!!!!

orangeisthenewblack · 17/07/2016 21:08

just told my DH tonight I want a divorce, he's acting as though it's totally out of the blue, but I've been trying to get him to listen and see how miserable I am for a good 18 months now. He says he cam't understand how I'd rather live on my own that with him even if I am unhapy. Told him I've tried to talk to him but we can't talk about anything and again he says it's just the way he is - he doesn't really talk to anyone. He used to talk to me.
I feel so shitty, I don't know what to say to him. I;ve been careful not to be critical of him, insead being critical of us and the relationship. How the hell can you keep it amicable?
I've run away to the spare room, he's sitting in the garden with bottle of wine. He's at work early tomorrow, we'll boh get some breathing room.

orangeisthenewblack · 17/07/2016 21:11

welsh Flowers
I know it's easier said than done, but see if you can relax now.
Don't feel guilty, stay strong and enjoy the calm.
It's going to be stange, and you'll be feeling up and down for a long time, how many years have you been together? You can;t come out of a long term relationship and not feel emotionally drained. Have you got someone in R/L to talk to now?

orangeisthenewblack · 17/07/2016 21:15

iron
sounds like a rubbish weekend, have some Wine and lock yourself in the bathroom

welshrarebitontheside · 17/07/2016 22:35

Thank you orange.

It's really hard to be non critical. I've been banging on.about branches of a tree going in separate directions. We shared some positu e times and nothing will change that but things gave become irreperable.

Iron stay strong. This is possible. Although ive been tearful tonight relief has been palpable. I know in my heart a better future lies ahead. I've also been doing 'intact' intermittently for 2 years whikst I built up strength and recovered from dc 2's birth iyswim.

welshrarebitontheside · 17/07/2016 22:36

Yes am on messenger to a few good friends. Both parents who are v supportive. Going to sleep.now -busy week at work. Kids will ve none the wiser as yet -dp v much an absent parent. X

welshrarebitontheside · 17/07/2016 22:42

10 years :/

Shodan · 18/07/2016 08:19

orange my H was similar- behaved as though this came totally out of the blue, which had the unexpected (for him)result of me getting really annoyed. It just confirmed what I suspected- if it wasn't work or golf, he really didn't listen or even care very much. I also think that there was an element of 'Oh she'd never divorce me; I can behave how I like', iyswim?

I also tried not to be critical of him directly; unfortunately it didn't seem to work because he kept batting away what I was saying. In the end I'm afraid I cracked and there were quite a few stinging words said- brought about, I'm positive, by my frustration over many years' worth of not being listened to...

Iron- hang in there. It's hard work staying strong enough to do this, very draining, but the end result will be worth it.

welsh- I used H's determination to suddenly be Husband and Father of the Year to my advantage, by saying to him that I was really happy he'd recognised the need to step up as it would help him in his future life. I did the broken record thing- that it was too late for us, but was pleased that his relationship with ds2 would benefit from his new attitude.

I also have the feelings of guilt, sadness etc. Not helped by H's assumption that I don't feel anything and am really hard-hearted. He moved out most of his clothes etc last week, leaving his chest of drawers empty and free to be used. I opened up one drawer and found he'd left two birthday cards I'd given him years ago. Must admit I got a bit tearful.

But then yesterday I started filling the drawers with my stuff Blush and felt really happy that I didn't have to cram all my clothes into too small a space. Smile

So up and down, to be expected. I had a good night out on Saturday with close friends who have been with me every step of the way and were determined to see I relaxed and had fun. It helped enormously.

DeepGreen76 · 19/07/2016 22:02

Hello all - have been lurking on this thread for sometime and have NC for posting. So many feelings and experiences resonate so strongly with my situation and it's been a source of confidence and support to know there are others out there going through the same thing (although obviously I wish none of us were actually going through this shit).
I find it so tough that I seem to be unhappy with a relationship which on paper looks great. Nice guy, good dad, comfortable lifestyle - BUT we have grown apart over years. Just feel the closeness isn't there. No intimacy, pretty separate lives, interests have diverged over time, bickering and negativity - it has been tough with 3 small DCs but it is more than that and hard to explain to others who think that things will get better as pressures ease.... I actually think there are plenty of potentially equally tough times ahead as kids go through teenage years and then we head into retirement - the thought of how differently we might view spending that time together (or not).
Anyway we've had chats over the past few months - culminating with things getting really close to separation over past couple of months. I feel like unless I'm talking about it/looking obviously upset or unhappy - things go back to normal. Then it's like starting all over again - explaining that I'm not happy, don't think we can go on etc - it's so draining for me and upsetting for him. Can't break out of that cycle at the moment though. Don't feel I've got the courage or certainty to do anything decisive - but the thought of letting things just carry on as they are and going on and on for a few more months or years is also terrifying. Also feel like a horrible person for being cold and aloof but feel this is the only way to continue to signal that things are not OK. Annoyed with myself for being weak and passive and unable to be more decisive.

IronNeonClasp · 20/07/2016 12:41

DeepGreen I resonate with you! My (separated) parents were so unhelpful and I carry my unhappiness alone. I wish that I had never stopped and analysed my situation as I can never return to where I was in December and I cannot 'switch' back on. It's heartbreaking.

DeepGreen76 · 20/07/2016 13:59

Iron - that is tough if you've tried to share the load and found support lacking. It's a lonely old experience really - for both sides I think.
I find it really hard to share this with friends/family. Partly seeing friends and being 'normal', talking about day to day stuff etc is an escape from this - which occupies so much of my thinking time when I'm alone or OH is around. Also it's hard for friends where say they or their partner or both know my OH - don't want them to feel uncomfortable or like they have to take sides. Some friends with great relationships I think find it hard to get - others with not so good ones are kind of ploughing along in their own way and I find their advice is pretty influenced by that. A couple of good old friends have been fab - but I dont speak to them that often.
Haven't told my parents. Looking at their relationship is kind of partly why I am where I am now - I don't want to end up like them! As long as I can remember my mum has complained about my dad to me. My dad is difficult for sure - v dominant/contolling and can be aggressive (not physically) but despite her unhappiness she's always stayed and is now a mass of resentment really. At least it has taught me that I never ever want to complain about my OH to my DCs - it's just awful to have that thrust on you.
I don't think my and OH's relationship is that comparable to my parents - but I can see first hand how sticking with something that you're really not happy with can end up - and I don't want to go there.
I know what you mean about wanting to switch it off too. I don't think I can now either. I have done before when we've been through lows - but it's gone so much further this time.

DeepGreen76 · 20/07/2016 22:05

Sorry - back again, don't know where else to vent at the moment.

Just had a couple of references this evening from OH to things that we might be doing next year together - think weekends away with friends/holiday type things. I am just thinking does he not get this?!!!!

Just feel like I'm constantly going back to square one. Things are awful, we're hardly communicating, we're in separate bedrooms, we discuss separating, but the minute I'm vaguely friendly it's like everything is back on track! I just want to be able to behave in a grown up civil way and to have the things I've said taken seriously. Instead every time I'm not being immensely frosty he thinks all good?!

Reading in other posts about people feeling they need permission to leave. Maybe I'm also stuck in that trap and am looking for consensus I'm never going to get. God it is so frustrating though. We're meant to be going on holiday in a few weeks. Have no idea how we're going to get through that.

LegoStarWars · 21/07/2016 07:41

Sympathies :-( My husband can be like that. We're not at the Talk stage yet, but every six months or so for the last few years I've tried to talk about the fact that I'm really unhappy in our marriage. But the moment I'm not actually crying all evening he assumes all is okay again.

DeepGreen76 · 21/07/2016 11:32

It's utterly draining isn't it Lego. I really feel for you, and I hope you make progress soon.

I'm starting to understand that behaviour I once thought of as passive is actually quite controlling.

SecretlySecret · 21/07/2016 12:19

Does anyone else just feel really trapped?

DH is such a nice person. It honestly feels like I am about to kick a newborn puppy. I haven't even hinted at the subject yet. I need to list everything out here because I can't write it elsewhere.

Everything is so normal at the moment
We have just got a puppy
We are planning to buy a house
We live in a sexless marriage
We are in a position where I cannot work and he seems really reluctant for me to anyway - if we split I would be able to work and afford childcare (which makes ZERO sense, but there you go).
I am scared that I will miss out on certain things if we do split, financially and socially
I am worried he will try to take the kids away out of spite
I am finding myself being off with him and less affectionate, in the hope that HE will make the first move
He is perfect and so many other women would kill for a marriage like mine

But i'm not happy. And I don't want to make him unhappy.

Hotwaterbottle1 · 24/07/2016 10:08

Deep green - my life could be yours. He just won't accept it. I finally told my parents and then told him I'd told them and he still asked was I sure. Took all my strength not to scream. He is away this weekend at his friends and will hopefully call in & tell his mum & sister but I don't know if he will and if he does how will I know as he does not communicate. It's awful as everytime I bring it up I feel like I'm hurting him all over again.

apintofharpandapacketofdates · 24/07/2016 18:47

How is everyone doing? I'm a little further down the line but am still practising/getting used to, our new normal.

My lack of interest in influencing his thought process or how he perceives my PoV has helped so so much.

My life is still a stinking heap of cowshit but somehow I know I'll make it. I'll get a job, pay my debts, find somewhere affordable to live, come off the anti-depressants, lose 6 stone and maybe, just maybe, fall in love with someone good enough for me.

IronNeonClasp · 24/07/2016 19:18

Awful. Just awful. Dead inside. Completely numb. Picked up on everything today when I got home. I'm thinking of moving out.

DeepGreen76 · 24/07/2016 22:04

Iron you sound at rock bottom - sending big hugs. It is awful isnt it how it just absolutely destroys you inside. Hope you see some movement forward soon.
apintof - I am starting to see your approach as the way to go. To stop trying to get the consensus and agreement and just act on what I think is the right thing to do.
I think we've agreed to physically separate at the end of the summer (I say I think as next time I see him - he may have 'forgotten' about this conversation)
I have now told my parents (felt like a massive step!) - who are supportive. That has made me feel better. I will also start acting like it is actually going to happen by telling a couple of other close friends so I have got more back up/support and it seems more real to me and I can move forward with plans. Slightly conflicted about telling people when the DCs don't know yet. How have those further down the line handled this??
Now everything I do is wrong. I am definitely the bad guy. Secretly - I am really resonating with the whole kicking a newborn puppy analogy. Full on 'I am hurt' face and sighing the whole time. If the effort that is going into making me feel bad now could have been spent on improving other things earlier in our relationship that would have been good.