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Thread for those who have left marriages that weren't AWFUL, just unsatisfying (pt. II)

999 replies

All0vertheplace · 22/06/2016 09:11

The last thread reached 1,000 posts (!) so here's where we can keep the discussion going. Cake and flowers to all.

OP posts:
IronNeonClasp · 04/01/2017 17:34

Hi all.

Seems he is in complete denial now. I just have no idea what I am doing.

Ratbagcatbag · 04/01/2017 18:47

Oh no Iron. Can you force it?

We're moving fairly quickly here. Lots of equity (£60k), he's buying me out, I can get another mortgage comfortably so am starting to look at houses next week. It's still all sad and he's genuinely gutted, but wants me to be happy so is being helpful about anything he can do in my next house, sorting dd and sorting how we split costs for dd. I guess as we both are in good jobs and it's amicable it all helps. Still a tough time though. :(

IronNeonClasp · 04/01/2017 18:57

Good for you Ratbag. All seems to be going to plan.

Nah; texted what I wanted for dinner. Was unloading dryer when I got home from work and went upstairs to put all the clothes away.

Superdad is back. I just can't fucking cope. NOTHING has been mentioned since we discussed separation. Just feels fraudulent Sad

Ratbagcatbag · 04/01/2017 19:32

:( is there anyway you can make him leave? Start the ball rolling with solicitors etc?

Adory · 04/01/2017 20:19

Iron typical 'head in the sand' situation you have there by the sound of it. That's exactly how the time ticks by and before you know it, 10 years have drifted. Dare I ask what his reasons were for calling you a 'butch lesbian'???? Had you been ok before that in your opinion? Sorry if you've already said in previous posts but I happened upon this thread when it was huge!

shandybass · 04/01/2017 22:56

Hi Adory hi Mum great to read your posts and Iron sorry it's so tough. Head in the sand and dhs on this thread seem all too common.
Ratbag what I would do for yours who seems so sensible.
Adory I am in the stage now when I know I am going but not many people do in my rl and I find myself distancing away from those who don't including my dm. I am feeling like a fraud and feel a liar. The strain is awful. Soon soon.

Mittensonastring · 05/01/2017 08:26

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shandybass · 06/01/2017 00:00

Mitten are you ok?
Handhold here if you need it.

IronNeonClasp · 06/01/2017 09:09

Hi Mitten. I saw your post. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Much the same and need a hug at the bare minimum. Hope you're ok and Welcome Flowers

QueSera · 06/01/2017 16:48

Hey Mittens how are you? I saw your post. It's such a confusing time isnt it. Nothing's clear anymore. Hope youre ok, sending hugs x

Hurleygirl123 · 08/01/2017 09:32

Hi all, total denial here too Iron...i brought it up last Tues, he was angry and still thinking it would 'blow over ' and I feel like nothing is going to change unless I do it. I feel like I'm trapped in marriage here, am wavering thinking is he that bad or is it me?! Then I look at my list of reasons.. The refusal to share responsibility of household, children, childcare, no communication, little (but loads) of deceitful incidents, and think stuff this for game of soldiers... If need be I'll bloody move..we got loads of equity.. I'll get an estate agent round. Hope you are all coping Flowers

Hurleygirl123 · 08/01/2017 10:12

Just read a good few pages back, makes me feel so much better..it can get better from this and his behaviour is very normal.. Denial. Chokehold, your posts are so helpful! It's like seeing light at end of tunnel.. Smile

dm86 · 08/01/2017 20:58

Posting again after posting a few weeks back. Sorry to hear a few dh are in denial about the situation and I do hope things get better for you.

I haven't told my dh yet but I know I'm going to suffer the same denial. He knows though as when I have my doubts about our relationship and if I can carry on which I have had for the last 6 years on and off, he suddenly steps up to the mark. Being really nice and considerate, let me have a lie in yesterday, got up with the kids and cleaned up downstairs.Just being a nicer person in general. Didn't go to the haulage yard where he is normally everyday of the week and is never home. It just makes me question everything and whether what I want is the right decision. Whether I can upset my 3 dc life just for the sake of my happiness. Whether I can put up with the constant nit picking and feeling like I am always defending myself. Whether I can put up with (very very occasional) outbursts and name calling. Whether I can let go of the not being there for me when I had severe PND and not continue being resentful, if I can let go of the fact my career and what I wanted to do with my life is put on a back burner because he wanted a haulage business and I am expected to do all the admin/payroll/accounts because it's what he wanted. Never mind what I wanted. If I can forgive the fact I've had to be made bankrupt at the age of 30 because the last business he wanted I didn't keep up to date with tax and Vat returns due to being depressed and getting absolute zero help. But I was just told to get over it and shouted at if I tried to suggest I needed help. If I can forget the jealousy and the constant snide remarks that I get. I can't be 100% honest with him the way I can with other people friends etc.

He tried it on this morning at 2am before he went to work but I still felt physically sick at the thought and just pretended. That's not normal is it?

My head is so fucked up with it right now I don't know if I'm doing right wanting to leave or if I should stay?! Sad sorry for the long post just in a bad place right now.

Hurleygirl123 · 08/01/2017 22:07

Dm86 I feel for you...all that resentment grows and grows. It's actually worse that he pulls his act together wen he gets a fright... Then let's it slide wen he feels you have 'given in'..back to square one, groundhog day. Sounds like he is totally spoilt and selfish, running his business means not passing the buck of admin..whatever happened to teamwork? I have to say teamwork has never figured here either..
I totally believe that any damage to kids caused by breaking up is done in the months or years we spend miserable together, all treading on eggshells and arguing/ in tense silence.. It's a relief wen parents are separate but more relaxed surely..
You sound like you are being bullied by him..hope you got support in rl? Flowers

shandybass · 08/01/2017 22:14

Dm86 I feel for you. What you describe is awful and yet why is it so hard??
I'm on my 4th night of failing to have a final arrangements discussion with dh. I'm having mock panic attacks and tight chest it's awful. I've dons it countless times having the chat and had one pre Xmas setting out that I was moving out after Xmas but that I didn't want to tell dc or family before Christmas as to be honest I didn't trust them with all the family gatherings planned not to say something to the kids or so they could hear.
But here we are please give me a pep talk. I need to tackle when and how we are telling family and more pressing how we are splitting the house contents so o can plan what I'll need and start preparing in earnest. The wait and deceit of it all is killing me. He's never acknowledged my decision to leave and every time I bring it up is surprised and sad that I'm still in about it and haven't changed my mind despite us barely talking, occasional verbal fights and being in separate rooms for the last six months. But every time I look at my dcs, family, house it feels like I can't do it now, but I know I have to do it soon.
Tonight is no good. Tomorrow after school? I have to or it will make me ill. Any mn motivation out there?

IronNeonClasp · 09/01/2017 09:27

DM - keep posting. This is a fab community.

Shandy - I am sorry I am out of motivation I am afraid.Sad I think tonight could be a good time. I was just thinking how we would split stuff up. Not difficult as I have bought everything in the house! Confused

Hurleygirl123 · 09/01/2017 11:26

Shandy, there's no right time...it's going to be a horrible discussion but try to think about the relief you will feel once it's done? You will make yourself ill with stress otherwise.. Get it started today and hopefully you will feel better.. He sounds like he is in extreme denial.. Good luck 🍀

Mittensonastring · 09/01/2017 19:31

Thanks for messages I over shared so asked for removal. DH is in total denial but admitted he fell out of love with me around 6 years ago when I knew I was failing out of love a few months ago I begged him to go to marriage guidance, talk etc. He just wouldnt. This has pissed me off beyond belief.

It explains a lot actually and I look at the photo of him and me at my friends wedding that I have on the side and think you utter shit you didn't love me then.

On a yuck side note a married male friend of mine on me telling himabout break up offered me comfort in a physical way. He backtracked when I called him on it and pretended it was a joke but he has complained about his wife to both myself and my husband a number of times.

shandybass · 10/01/2017 00:43

Yay. Ta guys for the responding to my ramblings. I almost didn't again as it was 10 before dh came in but then I raised a money issue, and it all came out. Dh didn't again manage to respond saying he couldn't think about it, but at least I've set out a rough plan and told him I will tell my family this week hopefully but he needs to tell his family. I've left it for him to think about house contents and split.
It doesn't sound like much was achieved but at least there was no, oh why are you bringing this up again.
Dm86 how are you? I've just read my post again and I meant why given how awful it clearly is why is it still so difficult clearly to leave? And this applies to us all here, I think, not just you. It is unbelievably hard.
Mittens keep posting. We're all here for you.
Iron don't give up hope, you are motivational. Hurley thanks. Hope you're ok.
For now some peace.

Samsbakery · 10/01/2017 08:19

Still plodding along here, miserable and unfulfilled, had another conversation with him saying I definitely want to separate in the summer, he went into another room were I found him lying on the couch curled up crying his eyes out. He begged me to try and give him another chance but I just can't imagine ever getting sexual feelings back for him, it just fills me with dread.
I also made a fool of myself last week at work, guy from Xmas do popped in for a chat and I basically ended up propositioning him by saying I want to get together with him again, just for sex. He was very nice but insisted it was s bad idea, he said what happened, happened but he didn't want to repeat as it would feel too deceitful to carry on and feelings would become involved (I don't think they would, just want to feel alive again)
What the hell is happening to me? I don't even recognise myself, I think if I carry on in my marriage I would end up cheating again and am disgusted with myself, my dh deserves more.

Mittensonastring · 10/01/2017 08:59

I get the wanting to feel alive again it's like some weird limbo state. I have had two very long term relationships in my life so have not a clue about dating these days. At the moment I can't think of anything more dangerous as I feel vulnerable but it would feel nice to have some TLC.

I have been playing the All Saints song Never ever have I felt so low. What songs are people playing? The words are perfect for how I feel.

barnburntdown · 10/01/2017 14:11

Hello lovely peeps. Special shout out to ironneonclasp amd lostlonely hotwaterbottle and shandybass simple because you were there when I began this journey.

I havent had a chance to read the thread but I want to give a beacon of hope update.

I am 6 months post conversation, dc 2 and 5 , One week afterwards he moved out.

I was numb for the first three months. Ambivalent. Scared. Then I had a meltdown i Nov. Signed offf work till now. Ex was harassing me/name calling/readimg my emails and you'll see from other posts behaving as if blindsided despite years of un happiness. That and the bereavement and I was surprised at how I still felt co flicted at timess although that IS part of the grieving process and seeing it as such and not a genuine desire was helpful.

The run up to xmas was hard, i was v tearful and sad thinking of past times and guilt. Christmas itself we did as co parents. For us all exceeded expectations. Better than previous xmases because there was a sense of relief....no more pretending!

Where we are at now...I do not for one second regret my decision. I enjoy my own company. I sometimes date (someone referred to feeling alive again. Yup!). Ideally someone further away/with kids as this reduces expectation on them! Ihave renovated the house. I have got my first tattoo. I have got my first vibrator (seriously my mojo has woken up!). I liftimg weights, playing guitar. I'm planning my first ski trip.

My kid's are infinitely more settled and happy. They have fallen into the routine (thiugh hard at first). I'm financially independent and we have been able to afford separate living.

I feel stronger, more organised, more extroverted, clearer in my thoughts. I look forward not back.

I hope this helps. It s not all plain sailing and itS hardr before its better but here I am 6 months on. Oh and I'm back at work. Xxx

barnburntdown · 10/01/2017 14:13

Should also give credit to supportive friends/family the psychologist and my friemd sertraline 100 ...

And you lovely lot. X

Hurleygirl123 · 10/01/2017 14:27

Omg that is so so good to read! Thank you for such positive story... It gives me hope! Missed out on 2 potential houses for him today...more out there tho. Onwards and upwards Flowers

Misty9 · 10/01/2017 14:55

I posted on here a few months back and sad to be doing so again... I'm one with a fantastic dh; he's an amazing dad and does more than his fair share. We co-parent and both work part time, we have a lovely home and are financially well off as he earns a lot more than me. But. No sex life to speak of and it's always been an issue. Married 7 years, DC aged nearly 3 and 5. We still hug and talk, but I'm having a really tough time with work stress and an accumulation of things lately, and his lack of empathy skills and general emotionality is becoming more evident - and more of a problem for me.

But I can't break up our lovely family and risk our lovely home just for that, can I? :(
We fell out this morning and I'm really ratty at the moment...it's my birthday tomorrow and bad timing as I just don't want anything from him at the moment as I already feel I don't contribute much at home. The only place I feel competent is at work. I've felt like this off and on for a long while.

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