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Feel weird about drunken incident with BF

181 replies

FrazzledRick · 10/06/2016 04:48

It's a bit of a weird one. Been with BF about 3 months. Its been lovely, no issues at all. We went away for a long weekend last weekend. On Saturday, we went out and got really drunk. Well, I was really drunk. He seemed less so, he doesn't really take alcohol very well and often gets sick so he doesn't drink much. I'm making it sound like I'm an alcoholic, I'm not, I was just very drunk this night.

After we had gone to bed and fallen asleep he got up to go to the bathroom in hotel room to be sick. I remember coming round and hearing him. I know I should have got up to see if he was OK but I must have still been pretty drunk and as soon as I registered what was going on, I fell back asleep again. I did this a couple of times.

I'm not sure how long it was until he came back to bed, but I woke up again to him lying behind me talking at me, he was repeating "I know you're awake" and calling me a "bitch" and a "cunt" for not getting up to look after him. I felt really weird and pretended to be still asleep.

The next morning was like nothing had happened. He told me he'd got up to be sick and said "you were still asleep though" and I said "yeah, sorry I didn't hear anything."

I can't stop feeling weird about it. What went on there. Was it just alcohol? I actually don't know why I didn't get up to help him. I feel disturbed about his reaction though.

OP posts:
GarlicSteak · 10/06/2016 08:02

You sound very clued up, Frazzled. It's not as easy to end an apparently wonderful romance as it is to type LTB! I really hope your friends don't give you grief over it - I agree it's a good idea to tell them what he said.

In case you need to shore yourself up - in three months there has been:
Insulting
Gaslighting
Belittling/dismissing
Previous form
Grand gesture surprise

It's not good. I bet there's a couple more of the classic tells, too, if we knew the details. He's attacking your boundaries very quickly and, as you know, it's very wise to knock it on the head.

CopperPot · 10/06/2016 08:04

My sister is with a guy like this. I posted recently.

He tested boundaries very quickly and she's wasted a year of her life with the loser. He ramped it up though but puts on the waterworks when she tries to end it so she always gives in.

SeasonalVag · 10/06/2016 08:05

No, I'm just moderately compassionate and have leapt out of bed to help my husband before. Christ, it's horrible chucking up, what's wrong with being caring?

Nonetheless, the guy gets dumped for being so vicious. If my husband called me a cunt, I'd go WILD.

GarlicSteak · 10/06/2016 08:06

it's not love, it's conquest

Yes!

Kr1stina · 10/06/2016 08:06

You don't have to call him on it. You don't have to justify yourself or give reasons that he thinks are good enough. You just have to tell him what goddess said up thread - it's been fun but it's not working for me, goodbye.

This guy has some serious anger and control issues, clearly he hates women being asleep when he requires them to be awake to attend to his needs .

Dodged a bullet there

GrimmauldPlace · 10/06/2016 08:09

The only time I have ever got out of bed to check on DH was when he was throwing up in the middle of the night from a stomach bug. He was actually unwell so I did see if he needed anything. There have been a few occasions over the years though where he's been on a night out and throws his guts up. I leave him to it on those occasions, self inflicted and all that. I might consider calling out an "are you alright?" as well but that's about it. This whole situation sounds really sinister. I think it would be less creepy if he'd actually woken you up and had a moan to your face (not that that would be OK either) but to speak to/about you in that way when he didn't know whether you were awake or not just makes me really uncomfortable. What else is he doing while you're "asleep"?

memyselfandaye · 10/06/2016 08:16

He sounds seriously fucking disturbed and like the poster above says, creepy.

Start running and don't look back.

VoleSnuffle · 10/06/2016 08:18

I too have got out of bed in the middle of the night for Dh when he had a stomach bug and was throwing up. But we were in a hotel and sharing the room with the children, it was 2 months ago.

I waited till he had finished being sick because no one wants company for that, took him a glass of water and a wet flannel asked him if he needed anything.

The reason? because this man has proven time and time again that he would walk through fire to get to me. We have been together 20 years and I wake up every day wondering what the fuck I did right to find this man, but he feels the same way about me. It is mutual. He would have brought me a glass of water too.

Not once has he ever called me a cunt. As has been said time and time again the hills are that way -->

newname99 · 10/06/2016 08:42

I think most young guys who are drunk sick would not expect a girlfriend to get up, especially if she was also drunk!

Good luck with ending this.,I think a non emotional statement is best, without inviting him to respond.I suspect if you say you heard him, you will be told you are making it up or he will justify the name calling.

He seems pretty scary, the response to I love you, was horrible.I truly can't imagine saying what he did to a partner even if I had been drinking.He seems to have deep feeling of hatred which bubble over when he feels he has been let down.Trouble is he's likely to feel 'let down' easily as I bet he's super sensitive to being upset by others.

Aramynta · 10/06/2016 08:46

Holy shit OP. You need to get out of this now, but be prepared. He may try every trick in the book to get you to stay. The signs he is showing are textbook, and only in a couple of months?

Get out while you still can but be prepared for him to fight!

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 10/06/2016 08:49

Id check on a partner if they were sick due to illness, but not alcohol, no fucking way. Just not interested. I suppose if they were so drunk they were at risk of choking I would make sure they didn't die but just to keep them company and hold their hair? Fuck that.
Op, when someone tells you who they are, listen

PaulDacreCuntyMcCuntFace · 10/06/2016 08:50

Funnily enough, I was reading the 'Anonymous letter' series in the Graun yesterday. Your post has made me think of it. I have c&p it below and added bold to the part which immediately struck a chord when I read this thread. Hope it helps.

^^^
On Valentine’s Day 2008, with a clarity that was long overdue, I left an abusive relationship. The hearts, the flowers, Barry White on the radio – they all brought things into sharp focus. For three years I’d been paralysed with doubt. That’s the insidiousness of it. By degrees, like a frog being boiled – before you know it, you’re soup.
When it’s good, he’s charming: holds your hand in public, and lets you share his sweets in the cinema. When it’s bad: the constant criticism, the sulks, the explosive rages, the intimidation, the isolation – it’s so relentless, lonely and bewildering, you start to doubt reality. “Maybe it is me?” you think. You say sorry. Try harder.

It took time to see how scared I was, to realise how my sense of self had disappeared. The shame was awful. I lost my high-flying job due to “stress”; and worse, I lost my confidence. I was financially dependent, utterly confused. “Couples therapy” turned into two against one. I’m not sure what was more traumatic: being shouted at by the therapist, or the huge rows that ensued when we got home.

“Why doesn’t she just leave?” is an ignorant question. There is a pattern to abuse: how it starts, escalates, and how it messes with your mind. My ex never hit me (threatened to, yes), but abuse is not just physical violence. According to Refuge, it is, “the repeated, random and habitual use of intimidation to control a partner ... If you are forced to alter your behaviour because you are frightened … you are being abused.”
In the UK, the police receive a domestic violence call every minute; every three days, a woman is murdered. Maybe you work with one of these women, or say hi at the school gate; maybe she’s your friend.

My friend’s worst beating was with her newborn baby in her arms. Thrown down the stairs, her head bounced off the patio doors, her nose exploded from the force of his boot. She now helps other survivors (she helped me more than she knows), and is happily engaged to a good man. Her ex still threatens her, using access to his son to harass her. She logs everything with a solicitor; she has taken her power back.

Here’s what I’ve learned since I left:
Constant anxiety is not because you are neurotic, it’s called FEAR – listen to it.
Telling yourself that “all men are bastards” will keep you with the bastard you’re with – “all” men are decidedly not bastards, most are decent, some are really special.
Minimising his outrageous behaviour with: “all relationships have their ups and downs” will keep you in the shitty relationship you are in.
Charm is integral, look out for red flags – coming on too strong; using words like “always” and “forever”; calling all the time; turning up unannounced; keeping you so busy with romantic surprises that you don’t see your friends; bombarding you with presents; buying you a new phone (to check where you are, or even to track the GPS); picking out your clothes. We’re conditioned to see this as romance, but it’s control.
There will be one significant, early red flag, so at odds with the nice man you thought you were dating, it won’t compute. Mine? He sent me a barrage of abusive texts late at night in fluent Spanish (I don’t speak Spanish). By the time I got up the next morning, his apology was already in my inbox. Anyone telling you to “detach with love” and “work on your boundaries” or to “stop playing the victim” is not your friend. You are being victimised. I’m all for boundaries, but they are futile against a bulldozer.
Many people, including professionals, will collude with his excuses. But he’s not doing it because he’s drunk, stressed, insecure, had a terrible cheating ex, is mentally ill, or because his mother dropped him on his head when he was a baby. He’s doing it because he feels he has a right to do it. This is because he has certain beliefs about women which are fully supported by our culture. He’s a misogynist – simple. Millions of men are stressed, heartbroken, insecure, bonkers, and addicted, some even have really awful girlfriends, and they don’t abuse people or hate women.

Your real friends won’t tell you until it’s really bad; they will listen to you endlessly complain, agonise, and cry. They will watch in dismay as you smooth it over, or worse, get engaged. If you are extremely lucky, one of them might eventually say, “you sound like a battered wife” (do I?) and blast you out of your paralysis.

All those fears you have that you’re unlovable, stupid, useless, ugly, fat, unemployable, and too sensitive are not true. They are the consequences of living with a woman-hating wazzock who will only resort to violence when his other tactics start to fail. Many men never use their fists; they don’t need to.

You are not alone. According to a poll, 33% of women go through this – it’s nothing to do with your background, your socioeconomic group, or your religion: it’s because you are a woman. Being a woman is not a crime, unlike domestic abuse. Remember that leaving is the most dangerous time; he’s likely to up the ante. Get support. Many men are extremely persuasive after you’ve gone; be prepared for promises and threats, for the friends he’s enlisted to tell you they’ve “never seen anyone so cut up, he really does love you”. You need a plan.
It’s called a “breakup” because it’s broken. The beautiful, liberating, wonderful day is coming when you’ll have him out of your system; you will wake up one morning and feel happy and free.

I still don’t know what love is, but I know it’s not warm and fuzzy feelings – it’s actions, it’s what you do. I still like men, I love male company, I have some great friends. I still want to love and be loved. There have been new relationships since I left, but men scare me a little. It’s going to be a special guy who takes my guard down – who will be patient as I flap about in the big blue yonder, and panic. I hope I meet him. But I’m not a half, looking for my whole. I don’t need looking after. But to lean in a little, we all need that. The way I see it, any man worth my time is already a feminist; he may not think of it that way, but he is. Decent men respect women, have got that whole macho v masculine thing figured out. I take heart from my favourite Maya Angelou quote: “I’ve been female for a long time now. I’d be stupid not to be on my own side.”
^^^

CocktailQueen · 10/06/2016 08:53

On Saturday, we went out and got really drunk. He seemed less so, he doesn't really take alcohol very well and often gets sick so he doesn't drink much.

You've only been with him 3 months and he regularly drinks enough that he is sick, yet he doesn't drink much?? How does that work? And he called you a cunt for not getting up to help him be sick?

Well, that's your honeymoon period over, isn't it?

Bin him. Ditch him. He's showing you what he is and what he thinks of you. Life's too short.

GarlicSteak · 10/06/2016 09:02

That's a brilliant letter, Cunty. It went round on my Facebook. I should share it again.

Bang on about the surprise early flag! I think you have to be very switched-on to see it for what it is - and walk. OP here deserves a bit of a Crown

ExtraHotLatteToGo · 10/06/2016 09:18

I was quite taken aback that you were posting from his. I felt worried for you & surprised you could relax enough to sleep, I'd have been concerned I'd be woken up by him hitting me with a pillow, or worse.

I'm glad you're leaving him.

Don't stress about 'how' though. Just text 'This isn't working for me, I won't be seeing you again & I'm not discussing it'

If he replies and is trying to push you into discussing it then I'd say 'I'm not a bitch, nor a cunt & won't be spoken to like that'. Then block him.

Tell all of your friends you have left him & why.

Baconyum · 10/06/2016 11:44

'If I'm totally honest, I probably didn't want to get with him really.'

I suspect your gut was warning you off.

You're still young (I know you don't think so but you are). I'm an old fart. I've seen both through my own experiences and others in a long life how this works. I've also learnt to trust my gut!

Glad you're leaving him, be sure to do so safely.

As for your friends, I hope your telling them why will teach them to not dismiss someone saying they're being abused because they're a cheat (and I'm no fan of cheats!).

Nobody deserves abuse.

TendonQueen · 10/06/2016 12:09

Yes, you knew deep down you didn't actually want this relationship but have been pressured into it. And it's annoying that women still get this pressure, as if you should feel obliged to go out with someone simply because they asked and you're somehow being ungrateful if you turn them down.

Be prepared - I'm sorry to say - for grief from your friendship group. He'll stoke them up to deliver that. But it will show you who are your true friends among that group. Stand firm.

StopShoutingAtYourBrother · 10/06/2016 12:16

He's done this to two woman now that you know of.

Move on. Quickly. His Behaviour will only escalate.

Selfsestructactive · 10/06/2016 13:13

Run.
My husband used to do this, I had to pretend to sleep through it or else there would be a verbal fight... Once he was asleep I'd go to the spare room... He never remembered in the morning but that makes no difference, he still did it.

RiceCrispieTreats · 10/06/2016 13:56

Your posts show a lot of self-doubt and self-deprecation, which he is most likely taking advantage of. For example, him dissing you when you told him you loved him is really shitty. It's a power play to put you down when you're vulnerable. Nasty and totally uncalled for -- unless you're a prick who's into put-downs and domination.

He's showing you who he is. This feels confusing because in your gut you know it is wrong: no-one who actually loved and respected you would behave like that. But then there are his great romantic gestures, so he must be a great guy who loves you, and the bad behaviour is just a blip, right? But Great Romantic Gestures are also a way to reel victims in. Nobody would willingly be abused, but people can and do easily fall prey to someone who's so romantic much of the time, that those times when he's incredibly disrespectful are excused as out of character. When in fact it is all part of the same power play.

You are not over-reacting to be feeling queazy about this. It's unsettling, because it's showing you that you're with someone who will both dazzle and bully you.

Open your eyes to the bullying, and don't be fooled by the dazzle. No man who truly had your best interests at heart would call you a bitch or a cunt.

RivieraKid · 10/06/2016 14:10

If he replies and is trying to push you into discussing it then I'd say 'I'm not a bitch, nor a cunt & won't be spoken to like that'.

Agreed. He sounds fucking deranged, OP. He's already dented your boundaries, you're going to have to be firm. Please stay safe.

ChocolateChangesEverything · 10/06/2016 17:52

He is giving me chills.

Wonkydonkey44 · 10/06/2016 18:24

I'd just tell him u heard what he was saying and that your ending it.
Be honest , he's a twat whose shown his true colours very early and lucky escape for u xx

WelshMoth · 10/06/2016 18:41

Pretty unanimous.

Hope you're OK, OP.

coco1810 · 10/06/2016 18:56

I have been with my DP 18 years, not once has the c word been used towards me. This is not acceptable behaviour at any time but after three months, hell no! Cut your losses and get out x

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