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I love my wife, but her ex-boyfriend also loves my wife too

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mark5690 · 03/03/2016 11:29

My wife separated from her ex-boyfriend about 15 years ago, but he still loves her. He has had two significant girlfriends since then, but he seems unable to marry and move on with his life. He makes it clear to my wife that she is the one for him.
My wife tells me she does not love him but has deep "caring" feelings for him. She meets him every 6 months or so to make sure he’s ok and happy. Recently she made a dinner for him at his home.
I've let my wife know I feel uncomfortable with the situation, but I don’t try to prevent them contacting each other because i believe it won’t work. At least now my wife tells me what’s happening and it’s all above board. Often I feel insecure that they will eventually end up together.
Anybody know what I should do? He’s got a new girlfriend now who wants kids with him. Imagine how she's going to feel when she finds out he prefers my wife!
I have 3 young kids with my wife.
Ta M

OP posts:
2ManySweets · 14/03/2016 04:22

To continue the theme of andthebandplayedon I wonder if you would get as much attention if you became an ex? Hm.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 14/03/2016 17:18

Oh Mark, your wife knows how much the situation hurts you but would prefer to hurt you than end her non-platonic relationship with another man.

Unless you are happy to have an open marriage, that has to be terminal surely?

Yes, it's it true that many people have ex's and, to some extent, you do take on "baggage" when you marry someone. That doesn't mean that it's reasonable to keep on revisiting that old relationship. Not when you're in a new one.

My H had an emotional affair with a work colleague, not someone he'd known for 17 years admittedly, but cutting all contact with the OW was the very minimum I expected in order for me to even think about trying to rebuild our marriage. Even now, I've no idea if I can forgive him and move on. Had he point blank refused to cut contact, as your wife has, I would have had no decision to make. Sorry Sad.

MatrixReloaded · 14/03/2016 19:09

There's something really off about this , and not in the usual way. The conversations about him , the romantic idealism , the fake smile, the vague acknowledgement that someone could enjoy the control. It's all very manipulative and egotistical. As I said previously there's not any evidence at all that he is in love with your wife or hasn't moved on. Your wife's insinuation that he loves her more than his partner is childish and fantasy based.

Despite the fact she appears to be gushing about him the way she portrays him really isn't very flattering. She suggests that he's a sad lonely sap who she meets up with every so often to check he's ok. She uses him as an emotional crutch and it seems he's happy to listen to your wife's marital woes. She doesn't respect him and effectively emasculates him.

People aren't usually attracted to saps regardless of gender. Most of what I'm hearing is about the emotional support he offers her and how sorry she seems to feel for him. This is not the language of a sexual affair. If they were having either an intense emotional affair or physical affair they would be in almost daily contact. They would , or would attempt to have regular contact so they can fuck. They would spend hours on the phone sexting or skyping.

It's clear they're in contact and that they have some sort of relationship. But I don't think he's in love with her. Your wife sounds immature and similar to an insecure teenager who desperately wants their parents to set some boundrys.

Does your wife work outside the home ? Does she have friends and her own interests ?

OTheHugeManatee · 14/03/2016 19:38

Yes because it would be awful if someone was human and actually had feelings for someone else other than one person In the whole world, as that never happens does it, it might mean we are human which would be terrible of course as it doesn't tick society's little boxes?

This isn't about someone being censured by finger-wagging parochials for daring to think outside the box. This is about someone unilaterally moving the goalposts in a long-term relationship, without their partner's consent, and then showing zero flexibility or even compassion when the partner reacts with distress. That's not daring and rebellious, that's just vaguely sociopathic.

OP, what a tough situation to be in. But I think you need to find your anger. Yes, you love her - but how much of what you love is real? If she's been parking half of her emotional life with another man for the past 15 years is she really 95% yours? And are you really willing to put up with crumbs from her table? I think she's treating you with a disgraceful high-handedness and contempt for your feelings and if you accept it that decision will bode very ill for your long-term happiness.

Organon8 · 01/04/2016 13:12

How are you getting on Mark?

mark5690 · 02/04/2016 14:29

Hi Organon8

Well a lot & a little !

A little because my wife has had no new contact with the ex boyfriend - but that's expected because it was always a once every 6 month thing anyway. So little to update here.

A lot has been happening on my side. Matrix has been a great help and pointed me in the direction where most of the developments have been.

I've spoken to a New York based marriage relationship advisor/psychologist. He asked about our childhood. When my wife was a baby her mum walked out and the dad brought her up. He believes that it's highly unlikely this "abandonment" would not have an ever lasting effect on my wife. I'm still waiting the report but it sounds like she needs the ex boyfriend as some sort of "reserve" in case our relationship breaks up. The problem is that seeing him puts pressure on our marriage, which in turn means she needs to see the ex more. I'm working on how to deal with this.

I know now the title of this thread is inaccurate. It's not the ex boyfriend needing my wife - it's my wife needing the ex.

It also appears that she is a "high stimulation" individual. I don't know much about this yet but it's going to be in the report.

My wife appears to get herself into situations. She has been kidnapped twice! Once by a bus driver & once in India for the sex trade market. On another occasion a guy simply picked her up at a party put her on his shoulder carried her away from the party and raped her. And on another occasion she kept flirting with a guy while we were on holidays and I almost got killed over the situation. Anybody can have bad luck but there is a pattern here. She's pushing boundaries and sometimes things go wrong.

So the upshot is, she's got a fear of abandonment & she needs high stimulation. It looks like I need to be aware of this and learn some new skills to deal with it.

I know my wife sounds like a nightmare based on what I've written, but there loads of great things about her too.

Right know I'm figuring out our personalities, learning new skills to deal with situations, and if I'm lucky change the bad aspects into good ones.

OP posts:
StealthPolarBear · 02/04/2016 14:34

I've only read your last post but you're blaming your wife for big raped and kidnapped Hmm

StealthPolarBear · 02/04/2016 14:40

And she is not 95% 'yours'. She's not a possession

StealthPolarBear · 02/04/2016 14:56

Just skimmed through the thread and this all sounds like a bit of a car crash

huskylover · 02/04/2016 15:22

Would it be sensible to walk away from a marriage to a person you really love, but say she's 95% yours. Everything else is perfect and you have 3 wonderful kids

The question you should be asking is:

"Would it be sensible to walk away from a marriage to a person who doesn't love you, doesn't respect you and cheats on you, even though you have 3 wonderful kids"

Yes. Yes, it would be sensible.

alvinp · 03/04/2016 10:03

Hi OP,

I’ve been an occasional lurker but your thread made me sign up so I can talk to you. Apologies in advance, this is a long post.

Reading everything you have written, I was in exactly your shoes around 12 years ago. My ex wife had a long term “friend”. I was deeply uncomfortable about it but she would not give him up and I felt unreasonable asking. So somehow I believed her complicated stories and reasonable excuses, then over a good many years the inconsistencies started to add up. In the end I found out she really had been having an affair for our entire marriage, starting before we were married and active throughout. He even came to our wedding FFS.

Regarding your recent update about the childhood issues and the past, my ex wife also had a series of incredible stories about her past and her tendency to put herself in danger (sorry but unless you were there at the time, that Indian kidnapping story is a classic fantasy). My ex could have come up with the same stuff.

At a guess your wife is highly intelligent and can be incredibly charming. I suspect you feel lucky to have her and you are more than a little crazy about her. I bet also you go through a regular rollercoaster of emotions because you never quite know if she’ll be sweetness and light or if something will set off the dark side that makes you and everyone around her incredibly unhappy.

When you raise things that aren’t right, does it escalate into a crisis? Do you find yourself wishing you hadn’t raised it and thinking you are being unreasonable and unfair to her? Do you doubt your sanity and judgement?

I did all this and the rest. I have never seen any pattern so similar as what you describe.

So… what can I tell you, based on my experience and where I am now (happily married with well adjusted and loving kids). The good news is, you can fix this, and it will get better. The bad news is, you will have to leave her. You can’t fix her, she has a lifelong pattern of deceit and your relationship, I am sorry, is fundamentally a tissue of lies, probably right from day 1. I’m sorry but this is the truth (Matrix has pretty much told you this also I know).

I see you are hoping you can change the bits of her you don’t like, or at least understand them. I’m sorry Mark but after 15 years that is never going to happen. I tried this too but it’s a delusion. I know you want to make it work, I really do. But you can’t. What is more you need to isolate your children from the long term damage of witnessing a relationship that is completely dysfunctional. It will be hard, devastatingly hard but you have to do it. This is a very manipulative and clever woman. I suspect she is also quite damaged and that is not her fault, but sadly there is nothing you can do about that – she has to sort that out herself and it may take decades. Look up Borderline Personality Disorder when you get a chance.

One other thing, I bet if you tell her you want to leave, she will beg you to stay. She will try everything and tear at your heart strings. She may even threaten suicide (my ex did, very plausibly, multiple times). This is most likely a threat she won’t follow through but if she’s like I think she is she’ll push it to the brink, hoping you’ll back down. Please, stick to your guns not only for your sake but for your kids. This will be the hardest thing in your life to do but you have to.

You’ve already seen the outright denials of bare facts. What you will also get is minimisation of what happened, as a drip feed. You’ll be told it’s over now. You’ll be told that what happened was an occasional “mistake”, and it wasn’t much anyway. You’ll probably also be told it wasn’t as good with him as with you.

Stick to your guns. You’re clearly a decent person trying very hard in circumstances so bizarre that few people will fully understand it. Even counsellors will struggle. A turning point for me was speaking to a counsellor and I said to her “does it have to be this hard to make a relationship work?” and she said simply “no, it doesn’t”.

Good luck.

RiceCrispieTreats · 03/04/2016 14:07

Yes, your wife needs her ex's attention, in a very dysfunctional way.

But you also need her, in a similarly dysfunctional way: you want to save her.

But you can't save or change her. It's not your job and it's not in your power: only she can do that.

I hope that you find the strength to walk away. There's nothing else you can do here.

Good luck.

brandystrumpet · 03/04/2016 17:07

She is being hugely disrespectful to you, as is he. They need to draw a line under it for YOU, her,him and the new girlfriend.

It's one thing being kind to someone you used to care for and maintaining a certain degree of friendship BUT regularly receiving affirmations of unrequited love and then cooking meals etc is a whole other ball game. It needs to stop if you ask me.

Rubbishpseudonym · 03/04/2016 17:26

The rejection and abandonment stuff does echo BPD.

mark5690 · 04/04/2016 19:39

Hi Alvinp/RiceCrispie/Brandy,
You've all said something very deep. I will reply properly tomorrow when Ive got more time. I keep thinging the thread has run its course and then more info comes in !

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mark5690 · 05/04/2016 14:59

Hi RiceCrispieTreats,

You said - But you also need her, in a dysfunctional way: you want to save her-
I agree with you - but is that not normal? For example a nightmare for me would to be in prison and therefore, unable to protect or help her. I'm not sure, but I think its unique to this particular girl because she gets into trouble, but perhaps there is indeed something in my character here which I need to watch.

Alvin,
You're post comes with a chilling degree of accuracy.
I looked up BPD online and there were 9 questions. My wife would score 8 out of 9- and you need only 6 to be considered to have BPD. The only thing she does not do is threaten suicide -having said that the guy in New York agrees with you. I'm going to look into this in much more detail.

Did you get your ex to have a formal diagnosis for BPD ? I'm wondering if I could get my wife to take a test?

Alvin, I know you recommend leaving the relationship, but I'm somehow hoping this time is different.

My wife has done yoga for 8 years with some breaks during the pregnancies. I went to my first session with her yesterday - more to be spending time with her rather than the yoga itself. She was one of the best in the class and I was so proud of her. I kept thinking how much I fancied her! It's just so hard to walk out on her.

Brandy, I would love if she came to me and said she is not going to see him again- however she will not agree to that. I've told her that I want to come along next time & I'm hoping that will be a deterrent. I'm hoping that her fear of abandonment is somehow satisfied by her having the option to see him & that the meeting intervals increase and somehow they naturally grow apart. Im somehow hoping for an "infinite interval" instead of unachievable "never"- I am aware however that if I get it then it's a hollow victory because the reality is they want to meet- which is where the hurt really lies. Alvin I'm guessing this why you refer to it as "having to work so hard" because it's so emotionally draining.

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alvinp · 23/04/2016 19:10

Mark,
Sorry I was away for a bit hence the belated response.

To answer your question, no, not formally, although the theory was advanced independently by two qualified professionals and from what i subsequently observed and read it all fits. BPD is difficult to get a diagnosis on. I doubt your wife is going to welcome any effort from you to seek a formal diagnosis. And unless she accepted such a diagnosis (typically unlikely) treatment is not really feasible. What you can do however is use this theory to understand better what you are dealing with. I could be wrong but to me the pattern fits, based on my own experiences.

If you push it, at a guess she will probably convince you she hasn't got a problem and in fact its you with a problem.

I understand you don't want to leave and as someone else has suggested, you probably do like being the knight in shining armour to rescue her. I was that too, it's a great feeling but it doesn't last unfortunately.

In the end it's your life and your call. I think your eyes have been opened via this discussion and you've had some sound advice.

To try and give you some hope, what I can say is that for me, now, I am happily remarried, our DD is a well adjusted and happy teenager, and I actually get on reasonably well with my ex, although we don't see each other very often, only at school events.

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Mymymble · 14/05/2016 12:12

Hey Mark, are you still in difficulties? If so I would like to contribute. If not, hope all ended Okay.

Brokenman4 · 23/01/2018 00:11

Hello everybody
I just Jones this forum, searching for stories like mine and i like it here so i get enough ciurage to tell my story
My wife and i married for 4 years together for 5, when i meet her she was still with her ex i didn't notice that she was not single or else i wouldn't talk to her, she said to me that she was planning to break up anyways .
We become together and had great time but also she kept a stronh friendship with her ex, i told her that i don't feel comfortable with it but she forced me to accept it , first year we had it together then i went back to my country and stay there for 3 years she comes to visit me once a year, then i come back to her country the begining was happy untill we had a little problem and she had to get help from him she asked if it is ok ,we were having a happy time much love so o accepted ecen through not feeling confortble, from that day she start to show it straight how big is their relation i didn't react to that because j wanted to who they are for each other and what kind of friendship is this and also wanted to meet him face to face to see what i mean for him.
What i found was a shock for me, none of them has a secret to hide from the other they know everything about each other they even plan and discuss each others lives together, the past few weeks i realise that she don't care for me any more things she used to do for me she just ignore it no jokes things happen in her life she tell him and not me and what's worse i meet him and from the first second i saw how much angriness and maybe even hate he has toward me .
I ask her if she eant to separate she say no i ask her if she loves him she say no
I'm tired ihate my life and just want to die i think of suicide

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Emmageddon · 25/01/2018 18:54

@Brokenman4 it might have been better if you had started a new thread instead of bumping this one from March 2016.

However, from what you have written, your wife is still in a relationship with her ex, despite what she says. It's time you had a proper conversation with her about the situation and decide whether or not your marriage is salvageable, or perhaps it would be better for you to walk away and leave them to it.

If you are truly thinking of suicide, contact the Samaritans. Flowers

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