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Am I mad to have him back?

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decomm18 · 27/02/2016 22:43

Posted on someone else's thread last week, but now starting my own. Long story, but been married to DH for 28 years, both of us awkward buggers, driven, irritable, high-achievers. I've worked the whole of our marriage, and earned more than him the entire time, which he's hated although never admitted to hating. He's very bright, 1st from Oxford but not in 'useful' subject, I'm academically much weaker but in useful subject so now have gone much further than him. Three kids, all done fine at school, now left and at / headed for uni; two older (sons) are model wonderful boys, but (youngest) daughter just like her dad and very hard to handle / they argued continuously ever since she was about ten, and it caused huge rift between us re management of her.

He's had two affairs over past eight years, both of which I've been semi-aware of but never brought up with him. I wasn't happy about it, but didn't want to upset children by facing up to truth. We've got on OK, with just about the only arguments being about how to manage DD, and a gradually-increasing distance between us. No sex for the past four years, which I've missed. Last July he left us all to move in with OW - who he'd been having affair with for three years, and who (advisedly) is his 'soulmate'. Har har. This coincided with massive building project to allow my mother, 94 and with dementia, to move in with us. We'd been going to rent flat for kids to move into, but with DH moved out, we didn't bother and muddled through. But from the first he kept saying he'd come home at the end of the build, and he valued his relationship with his children, and although OW was his soulmate (har har) he still loved me and valued our relationship enough to try to rekindle it. I'm still stupidly in love with him (in most ways he's still the lovely boy I fell in love with at 23), so went along with this. His was my first boyfriend, I'm now 53 and a fattish greyish uglyish introverted person with zero charisma and very boring with it. I'm not wanting a lonely old age, and have little hope of ever meeting anyone else should DH not return.

The build finished early December, and he didn't come back. It was then going to be after Christmas, then it was going to be the end of january, then the end of February. It's still the end of February, i/e Monday. I'm still saying I want him home, but he's clearly getting cold feet, and is now suggesting this is a 'trial return' (presumably the evil twin of a trial separation).

I'm wanting him home - so do the children, although my DD has this difficult relationship with him, and (apparently) knew about his affairs but didn't feel able to tell me - but am beginning to think I've lost my marbles to even consider it. No matter how many people tell me to tell him to poke off, I can't do it. His lying and faithlessness seem not to bother me nearly so much as picturing a future without him. I behaved very badly indeed in the first ten years we spent together, and he stuck with me. I owe him, big-time, for that. This feels like my chance to stop feeling guilty about what I did and didn't do that first decade of our relationship; and I think I can be happy again with him, if he can only be happy again with me. It does happen sometimes, doesn't it? Views?

OP posts:
Katenka · 01/03/2016 14:32

I am glad to see this update.

I think is emotional state is down to the fact that he has lost control. He is desperately trying to get back that control.

I honestly doubt he had his stuff packed up and that the OW was quite happy with him going back to the marital home for one last shot at making it work. Bet she doesn't even know he said he was coming back.

But you beat him to it and he is panicking. It's hit his self esteem that was built on two women wanting him.

NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 14:42

I'm not interested in what he's thinking and feeling, and why, tbh. I understand the temptation to analyse/discuss it, but he doesn't really matter any more. I think it's better for the OP and us to focus on her (and her kids) now. She's already been focused on him for too long!

SongBird16 · 01/03/2016 17:28

I think making the decision is the hardest part actually op, it's onwards and upwards for you now.

As people always say : the best revenge is a life well lived. And something tells me yours will pan out considerably better than his.

How dare he embark on a trial run with his ow whilst keeping you as his safety net?You're worth so much more than this contemptible bastard.

tribpot · 01/03/2016 17:29

I agree, AnotherEmma, although I think it is helpful for OP to see that there may be a large gap between what the ex says and what he actually thinks. I have no doubt that if he managed to manipulate her into allowing him back because he is (suddenly) devastated about the whole thing, it would be months at best before he was off shagging someone else. That's how they operate.

FantasticButtocks · 01/03/2016 17:50

Well done Thanks

NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 17:54

Good point tripbot.

Katenka · 01/03/2016 17:58

The only reason I think it's helpful to put another side of his reaction is to help the OP.

Not because anyone should care or she should worry about it. But Because I think he is being very manipulative and I worry the OP will get sucked in to the 'I am devestated, I can't live with out you' when it's not true.

FluffyPersian · 01/03/2016 18:51

It sounds as if he was happy to have his cake and eat it... Nah, don't want to come home yet... Nah.. still having fun... Nah, maybe after Crimbo... Little Wifey at home, waiting all expectedly for him.

And then.. Wham.. Little Wifey gets massive backbone, decides that having 2 affairs and treating her like shit is NOT acceptable and therefore his entire reality comes crumbling down.... What do you mean there are actual consequences to his shitty behaviour? Why can't he just shag other women and come back when he feels like it?

I imagine he'll pull out all stops to try and get you back under the thumb, so I hope your resolve stays strong and you don't engage - His behaviour has demonstrated that he doesn't respect you and would you treat someone you love like that?

It sounds like your kids are OK with him not coming home.. and I hope you are OK with it too. He sounds like a total cock.

decomm18 · 01/03/2016 19:03

In colleague's car on way back from seminar. DH has kept texting today, last one telling me he just wants to see me 'to explain'. Dunno what he's thinking of explaining. But he's apparently arranged to come home to see DS2 this evening, which is awkward, but DS2 is really worried about him so I can't very well forbid it (and I'm not a 'forbidding' kind of person anyway). I'll go out while he's there, not in any way up to seeing him. DS1 says he'll stay in with DS2, happily DD is away overnight visiting her first-choice uni. I can see this is going to be really hard and awkward to manage all of these relationship things, feel utterly ill-equipped. Almost terrified. Where's the manual on how to do this stuff for chrissake?!

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 19:21

Go out. Simply absent yourself. Like he absented himself from your life when it suited him. It's not like you need to be there.

GoblinLittleOwl · 01/03/2016 19:24

Dear decomm,

It was bound to be a happy marriage because they both loved him so much.
Wrong.
He has a first from Oxbridge so thinks the world owes him a living; still skipping boyishly through the groves of academe, leaving a trail of disaster behind: a spoilt marriage, two ex- mistresses and the present one.

Now he has started on your children.

He is an unmitigated bastard and very dangerous, not the lovable little boy you have painted. Good fathers don't behave like this, ever.

You must find the strength to deal with him.

AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 19:27

OP has the strength to deal with him. She just doesn't think she can utilise it. But she can.

Katenka · 01/03/2016 19:29

Agree with op. Go out. If he won't leave until you come home walk in and go upstairs. Don't engage with him.

BunnyTyler · 01/03/2016 19:36

Agree with AF - you don't need to be there.

Keep your distance initially so you don't get sucked back in.

What does he have to 'explain'?
You made a decision about your life and that's it - he is not required to explain anything, and you're not particularly interested in anything he has to say anyway - he threw that privilege away when he made a mug of you time and again.

You will be fine, it's like ripping loads of plasters off when you're ticking off these little waypoints - some hurt more than others, but every one is a step closer to your new self & life.

decomm18 · 01/03/2016 19:43

Shit, forgot I can't go out, no-one to look after DM because carer will leave as soon as I get in (she's had to stay late anyway, and needs home). DM worships DH (did I say this?) and I haven't told her that he's left. He's been visiting enough that she sees him and when he's not been there and she's asked, I've fobbed her off with 'he's working away' (which has been partly true). Don't see how I can tell her it's over (and she'd not remember anyway). That's just another thing for me to worry about. Can't leave DSs to look after her for more than short time, she's very confused in evenings at best of times, and there are toilet issues. ALL TOO DIFFICULT. Home in ten mins, will see if can think of alternative, although having imagination failure at the moment.

OP posts:
Brightside65 · 01/03/2016 19:47

OP well done you for taking control!

AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 20:12

Make tonight the night you tell your mum your marriage is over.

NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 20:26

Can't your STBXH (see what I did there Wink) take DS out somewhere? Going forward it's really not appropriate for him to be coming "home" - it's too confusing for all of you. And tbh it's not even appropriate tonight. If he absolutely must come over (and only because it's too late to rearrange) I suggest you have as little interaction as possible. Let him and DS be in one room and busy yourself in another. Take a book and sit with your mum if necessary!

decomm18 · 01/03/2016 21:25

At risk of sounding ridiculous, will describe situation. Am sitting in car on edge of windswept moor, half mile from home, laptop balanced on steering wheel. Got home, hustled DM into bed, her complaining all the while (she likes to wander around getting lost and bothering everyone in the evenings) and instructed DS1 to call me if DM got difficult and neither he or his brother or DH could manage her. DH is actually very good with her, so there's some poetic justice if he ends up having to take her to the toilet while he's visiting. Huge wind turbine is above me, and I feel like in some bizarre film. Just want to go back home and have my old life back. Also hungry, and only food in car is various opened (and ancient) packets of crisps and some polos. Am I being cowardly not being able to face up to DH? I feel that if I saw him, my resolve would crumble away, despite how angry I still feel. Fucking freezing too, and don't want to keep engine running because low on petrol and nearest station over 10 miles away. Just unbelievable what can upturn an ordinary, quite nice life. I know many of you have been here before me, but this is just shattering.

OP posts:
NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 21:27

You're not being a coward, I think absenting yourself was a good call. But next time, let him take DS out somewhere, yes?! Wink

If you're hungry could you drive to the nearest coffee shop or (dare I say it) fast food place for a hot drink and a naughty snack?!

tribpot · 01/03/2016 21:28

No, keeping away from him is the right thing to do. When is he leaving?

AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 21:31

Next time he takes DS out. No ifs or buts. He doesn't live there. You shouldn't have to leave your home while he plays King Of The Fucking Castle. (although you have done the right thing on this occasion). Drive to a pub and have a soft drink in the warm. Ask DS to text you when he is gone.

decomm18 · 01/03/2016 21:46

I love living in the midst of the countryside normally, and now DSs can drive and have their own wheels, it's even better - but tonight I'd need to drive seven miles on moorland roads to the nearest bar (not pub, think seedy hard-drinking joint with dead-eyed locals looking like they had sheep in genes a few generations back. I even work with some of them ;-)). Town is ten miles away, and I don't want to go too far in case of problems with DM. THIS WILL NOT BE HAPPENING AGAIN. EVER. Can't feel my toes, but happily have fingerless gloves, so I will survive (channels Gloria Gaynor, which never seemed more appropriate than tonight).

Can I stop DH from coming home? He owns half the house, and it would be hard for him to meet up with the DCs otherwise, just because of distance etc. I'd like to stop him, but just can't without feeling bad for the DCs. However, I can tell him to arrange in advance, and I can get carer in for my DM and go to friend's house. That would be fine.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 21:50

Do that then. Whatever works.

NameChange30 · 01/03/2016 22:41

Well, you can stop him. It depends if you would prefer to be assertive or to continue bending over backwards to accommodate him.

He's the one that created this situation, remember. He's the one who has to find a solution to seeing his kids.