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Am I mad to have him back?

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decomm18 · 27/02/2016 22:43

Posted on someone else's thread last week, but now starting my own. Long story, but been married to DH for 28 years, both of us awkward buggers, driven, irritable, high-achievers. I've worked the whole of our marriage, and earned more than him the entire time, which he's hated although never admitted to hating. He's very bright, 1st from Oxford but not in 'useful' subject, I'm academically much weaker but in useful subject so now have gone much further than him. Three kids, all done fine at school, now left and at / headed for uni; two older (sons) are model wonderful boys, but (youngest) daughter just like her dad and very hard to handle / they argued continuously ever since she was about ten, and it caused huge rift between us re management of her.

He's had two affairs over past eight years, both of which I've been semi-aware of but never brought up with him. I wasn't happy about it, but didn't want to upset children by facing up to truth. We've got on OK, with just about the only arguments being about how to manage DD, and a gradually-increasing distance between us. No sex for the past four years, which I've missed. Last July he left us all to move in with OW - who he'd been having affair with for three years, and who (advisedly) is his 'soulmate'. Har har. This coincided with massive building project to allow my mother, 94 and with dementia, to move in with us. We'd been going to rent flat for kids to move into, but with DH moved out, we didn't bother and muddled through. But from the first he kept saying he'd come home at the end of the build, and he valued his relationship with his children, and although OW was his soulmate (har har) he still loved me and valued our relationship enough to try to rekindle it. I'm still stupidly in love with him (in most ways he's still the lovely boy I fell in love with at 23), so went along with this. His was my first boyfriend, I'm now 53 and a fattish greyish uglyish introverted person with zero charisma and very boring with it. I'm not wanting a lonely old age, and have little hope of ever meeting anyone else should DH not return.

The build finished early December, and he didn't come back. It was then going to be after Christmas, then it was going to be the end of january, then the end of February. It's still the end of February, i/e Monday. I'm still saying I want him home, but he's clearly getting cold feet, and is now suggesting this is a 'trial return' (presumably the evil twin of a trial separation).

I'm wanting him home - so do the children, although my DD has this difficult relationship with him, and (apparently) knew about his affairs but didn't feel able to tell me - but am beginning to think I've lost my marbles to even consider it. No matter how many people tell me to tell him to poke off, I can't do it. His lying and faithlessness seem not to bother me nearly so much as picturing a future without him. I behaved very badly indeed in the first ten years we spent together, and he stuck with me. I owe him, big-time, for that. This feels like my chance to stop feeling guilty about what I did and didn't do that first decade of our relationship; and I think I can be happy again with him, if he can only be happy again with me. It does happen sometimes, doesn't it? Views?

OP posts:
Katenka · 28/02/2016 17:36

Your kids will say what they think you want them to say.

Do not put this on them.

decomm18 · 28/02/2016 17:52

Ok, not going to ask their views directly, was going to try to be frank about my own now-massive concern that having him back is completely wrong. The way I'm feeling, I've pretty much decided it's over, just want to try to assess their reactions. I think they'll be relieved tbh. Thinking back over the months, they've been quite strange with me, and perhaps I've been guilty of projecting my own feelings onto them about DH' s return. But God I'm so gutted that it's over, just hope I can be brave in front of them. Weak, passive, me? Yes, probably. Something else to beat myself up about. Luckily, I'm good at accepting my limitations. Nobody's perfect, and my strengths are pretty damn superpower-strength to counteract my lamentable weaknesses. Not to boast or anything... Again, thanks to all Grin

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Breadandwine · 28/02/2016 18:04

As Winky said, upthread:

It’s a very exciting time for you. It's scary but you're on the brink of something marvellous.

When our kids were at home - and now with the GC - like many parents, I suppose, we tried to make every setback or problem into an adventure - an opportunity, if you like.

And that’s what you’ve arrived at here, decomm! An opportunity. Which you can turn into an adventure.

But only by thinking of yourself first, rather than your tosspot of a husband.

You’ve made the first step, by posting on here. Now, if you take the unanimous advice freely offered on this thread, you can have a wonderful future.

Apply all the grit and determination that you must exhibit in your high-achieving career and go forward as a strong, independent woman.

Flowers BunnyTyler!

bringbacksideburns · 28/02/2016 18:14

Maybe you should go for counselling to boost your confidence and make you believe you are worth something more than this?
You are fortunate to be in a good position financially if you split.
Your constant excuses for his selfishness and mental beating up of yourself - you're too successful compared to him, you're too boring etc serve no purpose.
You don't have to be in a relationship to be happy - you've just not tried it since you were in your early twenties.
You know deep down you should not allow him to treat you like this. You can bet every penny if you allow him to come back then within a few years he'll find another 'soul mate.'
He treats you like this because you have allowed him to. YOU make the decisions now. Your kids don't need to talk to you about it. Not one person has told you that he is worth it. You have asked and that is the opinion of all of us. Don't settle for being second best. You have no idea what he really is thinking cause he is a proven liar and cheat who you cannot ever trust.

Katenka · 28/02/2016 18:32

Be gutted that it's over. That's fine and totally normal.

But try and keep a little bit of an eye on the future. You have a great future and so many possibilities in front of you.

You are financially stable and have older kids. Do something you want to do. Just for you.

Grieve for the relationship, but don't let the grief stop you having the great future you deserve.

BunnyTyler · 28/02/2016 18:41

Thanks Bread Blush

Brightside65 · 28/02/2016 18:59

I think you are making the right decision, I agree you need to give yourself time to grieve the relationship.

Also focus on YOU! This will
Also help
Build your self esteem. You are more than worth it x

mimishimmi · 29/02/2016 18:14

Your children have possibly been a bit strange with you because they are wondering why you haven't dumped him yet.

kidsneedfathers · 29/02/2016 20:36

Dear Decom
1- Can you find/hire help with your mum and not take all the burden of her care alone?
2- Can you cut down on the hours you are working?
Yes the two questions can sum up to: can you have some free time for yourself?
I think that it is what you need first and foremost. No-one can think right when working long hours and caring for an old mum.
Now if you manage to organise some help for your mum and cut on your working load then you might have time for yourself and start taking care of your physical and mental self. Even without shepherds you can enjoy the sheep and the nature around. Get some dogs. Your daughter might thank you. Go for long walks with the dog and with your kids. For fun. For fresh air. And you can arrange to regularly visit a good hairdresser/manicurist etc on your way to or back from work. Go to libraries and get nice books, go to see movies etc
There is so much to do. Without forgetting that you are a mum and you got your kids to care for. IMHO looking OK (not striking but not neglected either) and enjoying life (little things: restos/coffees/friends/books/movies/walks ..)is part of my duty as a mum.
Believe me when you cut on the hours you are working you do realise how much the stress distort our view of people and of life.
When you have time and restored some healthy personal and healthy life then and only then can you start thinking about whether you can rebuild any life with him. Good Luck. You are taking too much on yourself. You deserve some Metime and your kids deserve a healthy dynamic happy mum.

AnyFucker · 29/02/2016 20:47

I have the perfect solution for you, op

Move both him and the OW back into your home. I'm sure it'll be fine with your kids.

You certainly seem to be enough of a doormat and a manpleaser to go for that kind of option. And it would make your poor husband soooo happy.

FantasticButtocks · 29/02/2016 20:55
Shock
NameChange30 · 29/02/2016 20:57

Great idea, kick a woman when she's down Hmm

BunnyTyler · 29/02/2016 21:00
Shock No need.
AnyFucker · 29/02/2016 21:00

Shock tactics are still a tactic. If I was OP I would be glad that someone cared enough about my situation to give me a short, sharp dose of reality.

The words may look harsh, but they describe just how far down the road of self-loathing you have travelled, op, that you would even consider that taking him back is a viable option.

decomm18 · 29/02/2016 21:03

Jeez, that's a new option not considered. Yes, I am 'manpleaser', a rampant one. I'm surrounded by men at work all gagging for my superior intellect, and I pleasure them on a several-times-a-day basis Grin. Will update tomorrow. Strategy gone horribly wrong

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AnyFucker · 29/02/2016 21:09

Somebody else picked up on the sexist vibe in your family. You smooth over how wonderful and "easy" your sons are. Your daughter gets a much rougher ride. You judge your own self (who has done nothing wrong) more harshly that your self-centred and unfaithful husband. You actually praise him for doing what is the bare minimum expected of a home owner, partner and a father to small children.

Everything you say about taking him back excuses him and benefits only him. It does not benefit you or your children to take him back under these circumstances.

FantasticButtocks · 29/02/2016 21:12

Glad you've explained the meaning and positive motive behind your post AF because i actually gasped out loud when I read it and wondered if you were drunk! (sorry)

This is where the OP was in her last post, which was only yesterday.

my own now-massive concern that having him back is completely wrong.

The way I'm feeling, I've pretty much decided it's over And OP also said this, only yesterday. Which I thought indicated a change in her thinking...

So, it just seemed like a bit of an anger (frustration) outburst from you AF, which I thought was uncharacteristic, so I had to read back to see if I'd missed something which might have provoked it…but I couldn't find anything.

Weak, passive, me? Yes, probably. Something else to beat myself up about. Luckily, I'm good at accepting my limitations. Nobody's perfect, and my strengths are pretty damn superpower-strength to counteract my lamentable weaknesses. Not to boast or anything Showing some fine spirit there OP! Thanks

tippytap · 29/02/2016 21:12

Oh dear, OP.

I guess by your latest update, he's moved back in?

Why would you allow this????

goddessofsmallthings · 29/02/2016 21:13

What strategy would that be? And does it really warrant those who've taken time to respond to your OP being left wondering if he's commenced his 'trial return', or if you've binned him, when you could have enlightened them in less words than you've used for your latest update?

AnyFucker · 29/02/2016 21:19

It also has to be said that my scathing assessment of the situation that seems to have shocked people to their very core would measure as absolutely mild compared to the level of contempt he could only have for op if she did take him back under these circumstances. Nobody should ever put themselves in that situation (not if you want to sleep easy at night, that is).

Booting this sexually incontinent fucker right out of your life would be a massively better way to boost your self esteem (and far more likely to guarantee a settled night in the wee small hours)

iminshock · 29/02/2016 21:26

OP if you want to try again, go for it.

decomm18 · 29/02/2016 21:32

No, he's not back, and Deffo will not be welcome back ever after his behaviour over last 24 hours. However, there's collateral damage involving him using kids as leverage, especially DS2. I'm coping with this, and not sure how to act for best. Getting advice from friend who knows us all very well. But no, he's not coming back

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NameChange30 · 29/02/2016 21:35

Well I'm sorry it happened but not really sorry, since it seems to have strengthened your resolve. Glad you have support from a friend. Hope you and the kids are doing ok in the circumstances.

When the dust has settled, get a shit hot solicitor and divorce the fucker.

Footle · 29/02/2016 21:38

The man sounds like a car crash so it's no surprise he's wreaking havoc on his way out. Well done, and it's not your fault.

goddessofsmallthings · 29/02/2016 21:39

Are you recommending that the OP should 'go for' living with a man who hasn't extended his sexual favours to her for some years and whose mind is set on his 'soulmate', iminshock? Hmm