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Men who think they are only worth what they can earn

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Lovetruelove · 25/02/2016 19:51

Just add your thoughts on this one!

In the last 3 years I have had 2 men ( creative types) who are very talented but don't earn a lot of money saying ( heard through other people) I don't think she would be interested in me as I don't have this and that ect.

I am not materlistic at all so can not see where this is from - is this a common theme with men - 'women only want us for our money?

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Lovetruelove · 26/02/2016 08:16

The retirement bit made me laugh (sorry) I know you should take retirement seriously but I just can't - I will just keep on earning on any job I can do until I can. I like to work and if I didn't work I would volunteer.

I like to live for today and not for tomorrow-

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absolutelynotfabulous · 26/02/2016 08:21

Well, I take my ability to earn money very seriously indeed. Maybe that makes me shallow, or grabby, but I'm not myself when I'm not earning much like for the past ten years or so.

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 08:22

" it is important that a man knows he should try to provide security for his partner in all its forms"
Why? Why should a man 'provide'?
Imo parents should provide for their families.

Twasthecatthatdidit · 26/02/2016 08:23

Definitely, in general on the dating scene women will value a man with money more than a man without. I remember there was a thread here where people were quite shameless about it. I married a man who earned less than me and has very poor financial management, not sure I would be in a rush to do so again.

TheNaze73 · 26/02/2016 08:24

I agree with that Stealth Polar, it seemed a bit 1940's!

Twasthecatthatdidit · 26/02/2016 08:24

In general, men are happier to support a woman than the other way round.

annandale · 26/02/2016 08:28

I think society including many women give men exactly this message all the time. Feminism should mean women taking responsibility for funding their own lives but there is no doubt that it takes a mental shift to fund someone else's as well.

In a not very pleasant way I rather prefer being the breadwinner and I have to wonder whether my repeated assurances to dh not to worry about earning are because I like having financial power? Not how I should think but I do, sometimes. He's considering starting as a cleaner and I do wonder if I would have married him if he were a cleaner when we met - apart from anything else he would have struggled to afford the restaurant where we met.

Male liberation should be all about exactly this - men's worth separate from financial resources.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 26/02/2016 08:35

Mephistopheles I can honestly say that for me it's about education and intelligence over money. I would date a man with a PhD on £20k over an uneducated, twat on £80k every time.

And paws is spot on about the distinction. I would love to meet a man as she describes - frugal, self sufficient, who reads and meditates. Give me that over a suit with his bonuses and company car any day. Seriously.

VoyageOfDad · 26/02/2016 08:38

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ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 26/02/2016 08:38

TheNaze "you girls" really..?

TheNaze73 · 26/02/2016 08:52

ThisIsStillFolkGirl Apologies. Meant in the right spirit, sorry if it came across as broad brush.

purplewhale · 26/02/2016 08:53

When I was OLD I was interested in someone who has disposable income. I spent 3.5 years with someone who never got it together, loved in my house rent free as he couldn't afford to contribute. I had to bail him out a few times. I just lost all respect for him and ended the relationship, the resentment meant I stopped loving him.
I don't need someone else's money, I just need them not to need mine.
When I met DH it was important to me that he had a similar lifestyle to me and could afford to fund it. It meant we could have a great life together. It was also important that he wasn't miserly, I'm on maternity leave now and he does pay more than I do but I'm at home looking after our baby. I'll be contributing the same as him when I go back to work

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 26/02/2016 08:58

Naze Grin

CheersMedea · 26/02/2016 08:58

2 men ( creative types) who are very talented but don't earn a lot of money saying ( heard through other people) I don't think she would be interested in me as I don't have this and that ect.

Well in my case this is bang on the money. Sorry to be blunt but I do think one of the benefits of a board like this is the ability to speak freely behind the cloak of semi anonymity.

My position was as follows:

  1. I earn a pretty decent amount.
  2. I did not want to have a DH or long term partner who saw me as a "cash cow" OR who I felt was living off me. I knew that long term I would have no respect for them and I would resent them.
  3. I know ALOT of women in these kind of relationships - woman is a high earner, man has some "artistic" type job that he loves, pays nothing and is never likely to (his fantasy of being the next Hockney/Olivier/Bowie/Lloyd-Webber/Simon Cowell etc is now realistically long dead; he is an aging failure but having fun and deluding himself that success is imminent) which the woman supports. The women (a) get resentful (b) secretly fear that he is only with her because of her money. In many cases, this is with justification because she has basically "bought a husband" and he stays because he has a settled financially comfortable lifestyle doing his layabout fun job, living in a house where he couldn't even afford to pay for the front door.
  4. If I have children, I wanted to be sure that IF I chose to give up work, that would be an option for me financially and maintain the fairly affluent lifestyle I had as a single woman. This would need a man who earned as least as much as me.
  5. I am very attracted to drive and ambition because I am like that too.

For all these reasons, before I got married, I would never have been interested in someone who earned nothing and had no prospects in their artsy-fartsy job. I wouldn't have found that personality type attractive. I can conceive maybe then of dating someone who was career early stages and looked like they were "going somewhere" and had drive and ambition.

But as it turns out, since I started dating, I have never dated or had a seriously long term relationship with a man who earned less than me . My DH earns more than I do and is very ambitious and successful.

My attitude was: I expect my partner to have to offer me the equivalent of what I can offer in everything - including earning capacity.

[The most irritating types are the "my job is fun and I will do it come what may because I am a self-entitled arse who thinks my personal job satisifaction even if my children and wife have to starve because I am pretty shit at it and will never have success" types - very often actors, artists, musicians, writers, playwrights and so on. I know quite a lot of these actually and they are all married to women who keep them.]

EBearhug · 26/02/2016 08:58

The difference in interest between when I was an 'Administrator' and 'Coordinator' is remarkable

What sort of difference? They're both fairly bland terms, and could mean anything from a basic office job to a top civil servant. Unless there's other information, it doesn't really tell you anything.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 26/02/2016 09:03

I don't need someone else's money, I just need them not to need mine

Absolutely. I can't afford to support someone else. Bur neither am I looking for someone to support me.

Katenka · 26/02/2016 09:07

I am not materialistic. But I wouldn't date someone who wasn't financially stable.

Done it in the past and it ends up causing resentment. I am more than happy to pay my way. But I object to paying for everything just so we can do something fun together.

Luckily me and dh have a similar attitude to this. I can't imagine (if we were to divorce) dating someone who had the 'live for today attitude'. It just doesn't suit me.

FedUpWithJudgementalPeople · 26/02/2016 09:10

My bf earns a lot less than me, however he brings other qualities to the table if that makes sense. That's why I'm with him, not because of what he can buy me. As I see it because I earn a decent wage I have the freedom to choose a partner based on characteristics other than cash! Cash is nice of course, but situations can change. What happens if you high earning partner loses his job for example? I want to be with someone for more than money. It needs to be more than that.

As it happens he is very careful with money so does have disposable income to spend on our life together. Also I am not someone who wants to hang out at flashy places anyway. We religiously split the bills (mostly), and this suits both of us. It makes me happy that he's not with me for cash and him feel happy he is paying his own way.

I think there is a real expectation from a lot of woman that a bloke should earn more and pay more while dating. Eg a 26 year old at my work was wined and dined at all the best places for the first 6 months of dating a new boyfriend. She let her bf pay for everything even though they earned around the same and actually her bfs workplace was making redundancies. No wonder men feel like money matters if that is the attitude even in young women.

Lovetruelove · 26/02/2016 09:14

For the ones talking about 'user'men I agree know of them and can't stand it - I'm talking about ones who have their sh*t together (sorry) and my opinion there priorities right but don't earn massive amounts of cash because they have chosen living life over money. I.e found out what's important in life. ( I do have degree but seem unable to type on a phone😀)

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Lovetruelove · 26/02/2016 09:15

I agree with everything folk girl says

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Lovetruelove · 26/02/2016 09:19

Fedup u are spot on with choosing a partner other than for money - yes what if they couldn't earn anymore - are they no good now😬

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Katenka · 26/02/2016 09:20

I don't need someone else's money, I just need them not to need mine

I love this. Sums up how I feel.

CheersMedea · 26/02/2016 09:22

What happens if you high earning partner loses his job for example? I want to be with someone for more than money. It needs to be more than that

Yes of course. As well as money, I chose my DH based on his personal qualities. If he lost his job, I'd be fine because of that.

That's not the point. I was looking for compatible character + money.

It makes me happy that he's not with me for cash

You can never know this for sure and even if it's true now, it may not be in 5/10 years time. Relationships rarely start purely for financial reasons (usually the initial driver is lust and attraction). But as I said, I know plenty of women in this situation where it is clear that the man remains for her money. And many of the women are utterly deluded about it - unsurprisingly - it is a brutal think to have to face up to the fact that you have bought yourself a bf!

Lovetruelove · 26/02/2016 09:22

Cheersmedea I know what your saying but what would the world be without creative types - concrete, barbed wire and Alsatians? Think about it.

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CheersMedea · 26/02/2016 09:23

*a brutal thing!