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Finally got the answer about lack of sex and sobbing

185 replies

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 04/02/2016 21:52

I will first say our sex life isn't normal it mostly bondage and submission.

We have been together 11 years and married 5.

Finally after a lot of text exchange I have my answer. He is no longer into being a dominant.

I can't see how our relationship is going to work as from the start this has been the foundation.

OP posts:
TeaT1me · 05/02/2016 11:37

The op hasn't come back. I dont think we can tell with what she's said.

ssd · 05/02/2016 11:37

so its wrong to have compassion for the guy, wizard?

RomiiRoo · 05/02/2016 11:57

Grin I haven't read 50 shades, honestly! I thought it sounded like a novel about abuse, tbh.

Pseudo341 · 05/02/2016 12:09

50 shades is a novel about a nasty manipulative man coercing a vulnerable young woman into an abusive relationship. The whole whips and chains things is completely irrelevant to the fact that it's an abusive relationship. (disclaimer: only read it because I got into a debate with someone who was convinced it was a lovely romance so kind of had to back up what I was saying)

OP might just be at work.

If you're still reading OP, maybe now he's finally come out and said what's wrong he might be willing to talk. The refusing to talk came before this revelation didn't it? Also, surely if he didn't give a crap about saving the relationship he wouldn't be in tears over it.

LazyDaysAndTuesdays · 05/02/2016 12:11

You don't have to understand it (I don't), but have a bit of compassion or don't post.

Nothing wrong with having compassion for the OP and her DH. No one should be coerced or forced into doing sone thing they no longer want to do.

RomiiRoo · 05/02/2016 12:23

Ah, pseudo, that I do have experience of.

But that is by the by. I think the overwhelming consensus for the OP is that the basis of a healthy relationship is communication - both talking and listening. I think there are only two people who can do that hereFlowers

Offred · 05/02/2016 13:09

Preface; I do love BDSM and am dominant.

IMO BDSM that is not founded absolutely on consent and includes a high level of intimacy and honesty is at the very least potentially abusive.

It's not about what you do for me it's about the intimacy for me.

I think it's easier for someone who isn't into dominating to pretend they are but I think really it is likely to be noticeable in some ways.

I think it would be very tough to find out that a partner in a BDSM relationship isn't actually into it and therefore has been faking because of the intimacy but actually what's more worrying is why they felt the need to fake and how it ended up happening.

It's awful to feel someone has lied to you but it's worse to have felt pressured into sex acts.

Offred · 05/02/2016 13:11

And yes 50 shades is about abuse not BDSM.

Offred · 05/02/2016 13:15

It's not all that different to regular sex tbh - the aim being to share a mutually pleasurable experience.

Just the stakes are higher when physical pain/humiliation/control/danger etc are involved. The increased intimacy in both people finding extreme acts pleasurable is what's nice.

As is, for me, not always having to have sex at all, sometimes doing 'boring missionary' with the lights off...

GetThemToTheChopper · 05/02/2016 13:21

Bloody hell, for better or worse eh. In sickness and in health. But if our little game has to change, well that's it, toss it all out the window

Sorry to hang my post into yours Daryan, as there have been a few like it, but I feel like this is minimising the situation somewhat.

I try not to label my relationship and I'm uncomfortable with some of the issues I see in the BDSM community so I don't really interact with it anymore. However, if you forced me to label myself I would have to call myself submissive.

Anyway, being an actual sub or an actual dominant isn't (generally) a bit of a kink. There are plenty of people who play with those roles (and the traditional accessories that go along with them) but actually being sub is more like a sexuality I think.

In our sex life my DP and I use very few toys and those that we do are things that loads of couples use. We also have a lot of 'normal' sex that involves no toys at all. However, what all our sex (and to some extent our day to day life) involves is a power exchange between him and me. I give him the 'power', particularly in the intimate part of our relationship. The reasons for this are many and complex. I'm not comfortable with all of them (mostly from a feminist perspective) but I couldn't/wouldn't have an intimate relationship with someone who was unwilling to take part in that power exchange as it just wouldn't be a relationship I felt right in.

I'm not arguing the right or wrong of that BTW - I'm ambivalent a lot of the time about whether this is healthy, but my DP is a good person so I get away with it.

It's not a kink though, it's a dynamic and it's fundamental to our relationship. We also have kinks or stuff we enjoy doing but if we could never do them again (and actually for a while due to an injury he had we couldn't do a lot of kinky stuff) the dymanic between us wouldn't alter. Even if we couldn't have sex at all our relationship dymanic wouldn't change.

If my DP (who I love the very bones of) came and told me that his dominance was a role he had played and he could no longer sustain it, that would have a serious effect on our relationship. I'm not playing a role, my behaviour in our relationship is consistent and part of who I am. If I discovered his was a bit of a 'fun sex game' then that would be a fundamental shift. I don't honestly know how that would work out, but I wouldn't be able to just get over myself.

Also, my sexuality is a massive part of my life and my relationship as is my partner's. There's loads of other brilliant stuff too, but it is a fundamental building block. I lived through a marriage that had no sex in it for 10 years and I don't think I could do that again (health reasons aside).

I know many people on this thread can't understand the difference between kink and lifestyle and I get it, I really do. It's weird and I'd quite often rather be more normal. It doesn't make it not real though.

OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 05/02/2016 13:26

piper you've had a hard time here. I hope things work out for you.

BlimeyCrikey · 05/02/2016 13:28

Oh gosh, well some replies are downright rude but I get it. Your entire relationship is driven around the set roles, it must be hard to have that thrown into question. Also the D/s lifestyle, the way I see it is that those deeply involved as the submissive, would lean entirely on the dominant to lead the way. So losing this would be pulling the rug from under the feet.

Maybe, it's necessary to simply respect his choice and wishes, think deeply about why you love 'him' and not his dominant persona and take it from there. I'm quite sure there must be other forums too which specialise in BDSM relationships and where you may find helpful advice?

Offred · 05/02/2016 13:30

My BF would certainly agree with you there about being sexually submissive get.

It's his sexuality.

Being sexually dominant is a part of my sexuality. I would be frightened of myself if it was my sexuality. IMO it's mainly the dominant one who has to be actively conscious of consent.

BlimeyCrikey · 05/02/2016 13:32

Get I've never heard it described as a sexuality, I like that and it makes sense.

TeaT1me · 05/02/2016 13:38

Blimey - I'd be interested if there are. When I've foraged onto fet or briefly the local bdsm scene it was mainly polyamory and very little monogamous D/s. Funnily enough it's mainly on here I've seen much discussion of it!!

flanjabelle · 05/02/2016 14:21

Piper hide the thread, please don't read it. I don't know what is happening lately but there is so much vitriol and bullying bullshit going on at the minute.

Those of you who have mocked a woman who is distressed, be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Whether you understand or not, you are belittling and laughing at someone who is upset. Does it make you feel big? Do you feel nice and clever now you have had your little laugh? Fuck off. The op is upset, if you have no support to offer, just fuck off.

ssd · 05/02/2016 15:24

fuck off yourself, I'll say what I like here

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 05/02/2016 15:26

I'm sorry for not coming back but it been difficult to read the replies.

I do love Dh with every fibre on my heart.

Bdsm is a lot more than sex.

This is going to change our relationship forever.

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3WiseWomen · 05/02/2016 15:30

Is it the whole BDSM that he is rejecting or is there a possibility to find a middle ground? (eg restrict that aspect to only the bedroom or whatever)

Why is he chamging his mind? Something must have happened.

3WiseWomen · 05/02/2016 15:32

Btw to all the people that think it's OK to judge someone else sexual practice. Would you do the same if it was about gay sex for example?

No one is expecting you to follow the same practice. Nor are you expected to understand nor to judge when you have no idea of what BDSM is about.

First inform yourself.

3WiseWomen · 05/02/2016 15:34

YY about trying and find forums who are more about BDSM. You will find more meaningful answers there.

TeaT1me · 05/02/2016 15:34

Op there's quite a few of us who "get" it. Do you want to say what's happened? What does he want? Why? Is there room for movement?

Offred · 05/02/2016 15:40

TBH I understand why people judge BDSM, it's sometimes difficult to hear when you have an issue and want support but I don't expect other people to just freely understand power/control and things which are on the face of it harmful to others in the context of a sexual relationship.

I think it's possibly more healthy to be turned off by that and to not understand it.

It's in no way comparable to being homophobic IMO.

Nottodaythankyouorever · 05/02/2016 15:44

Fuck off. The op is upset, if you have no support to offer, just fuck off.

Delightful Shock

ssd · 05/02/2016 15:46

I don't judge BDSM, in fact I dont even know what it stands for, but I think the guy is getting a hard time here for changing his mind and saying he doesnt want to do something anymore and the op is seeing it as a deal breaker, which I dont understand, as they have been together ages and must have a good relationship outside the bedroom