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silly childish in laws

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sphinxster · 30/01/2016 13:24

I've posted about this previously: in laws "devastated" and ignoring us because dh and I gave ds my surname as well as his/theirs.
DS is now 4 months old and they're still giving us the silent treatment. DH messages them updates about ds and sends photos. They've recently decided they want to Skype once a week to see ds (we live overseas). So once a week we have these awful silent Skype sessions where they won't acknowledge dh ( I don't get involved).
Talking to dh today that I really didn't like it and how long was he going to allow it. He says he doesn't want to stop them seeing their grandchild and wants to be the bigger person. I think they're the ones that are stopping themselves from seeing their grandchild and they should only be allowed to see him if they are willing to show some respect to his parents/us.
I'm really pissed off about their behaviour and even though he's too young to know what's going on, I don't want him exposed to this ridiculous behaviour.
WWYD? AIBU?

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LittleBeautyBelle · 31/01/2016 21:43

Great visual Moomin, I would love to see the looks on the inlaws' faces!!

MoominPie22 · 31/01/2016 21:50

With Sphinxter streaking in the background....perfect collaboration by the family to acquire NC status don´t you think??

OK, it sounds like something off Friends circa 1996 but still.....Blush Grin

LittleBeautyBelle · 31/01/2016 23:39

haha, perfect!

Ohfourfoxache · 01/02/2016 00:04

Sphinxster tbh I think if you give them enough rope then, eventually, they'll hang themselves. DH will see them treating you badly and, if they do it enough, he may well snap.

I've recently had a thread on here that I NC for and one poster pointed out that DH and I are fiercely protective of each other. So if you take the moral high ground and dont rise to the bait you may find that they fuck up so completely that he'll explode.

sphinxster · 01/02/2016 07:31

Right, I've placed an order for a burlesque outfit for dh and a crotchless full body gimp suit for me. I'll still get the mournful violinist but might have him dress as a unicorn. And just act perfectly normally on Skype "oh hi! How's things? How's the weather".

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sphinxster · 01/02/2016 07:40

Fantastic you sound like my sister. That's exactly what she does to people who are rude - sits right next to them and asks loads of questions in a super friendly manner.

Littlebeauty & White he's the youngest of three brothers. It's not like they hold land and titles to pass on, just a very normal surname. And why does it matter so much? Statistically, surnames from one branch of a family will end if we all follow this naming tradition. And why does it matter so much to his mum? It's not even her birth name!

I remember a thread not so long back from a woman who regretted not giving her children her surname - that could have been me in a few years. I didn't 'pass on' my family's surname, I just wanted my child to have the same name as me.

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sphinxster · 01/02/2016 07:42

Or... We get a coat of arms designed with our new family surname and hang it in the background on every Skype call.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 01/02/2016 08:31

and play God Save the Queen. Just to add to the confusion.

Or satanist black metal.

DartmoorDoughnut · 01/02/2016 10:38

Loving the family coat of arms, maybe your motto could be "taking the moral high ground"?!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/02/2016 10:45

"And why does it matter so much to his mum? It's not even her birth name!"

It does not matter. Anything seemingly trivial like this matters hugely to disordered of thinking people like your ILs. Its precisely because they are disordered of thinking. Your DH in the meantime is mired in FOG because of them and their actions. You and your son in turn suffer because of them and your DHs inertia when it comes to his parents.

It may well be that your DH may not snap at his parents for a number of years to come yet even if he does so. He is far too enmeshed at present and would far rather upset you than them. He really does need to see a therapist re his parents but would probably see that action as a betrayal against them.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/02/2016 10:48

BTW what sort of a relationship do his brothers have with their parents these days?.

Your DH is still very much playing out the role his parents assigned to him in his dysfunctional family of origin.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/02/2016 10:54

sphinxster,

You made this comment earlier, "Can I ask if you children have enquired about their missing grandparents"

This excerpt may help you with that:-

"Now you're dealing with questions from your children, or you're anticipating questions. First of all, let us establish another fact. You are the parent. You get to make these decisions without apology or excessive justification. You can assure your child that you are making a wise and loving decision for them as well as yourself. I am not going to script what you should say because you are the only one who knows your children, but you must convey that this isn't up for negotiation. This is not a decision that the child gets to make. Yes, children usually love their grandparents. Children are often quite indiscriminate in their love which is why they need parents to guide them. Not every person is safe to have around and this is a good time to teach that important life lesson. The more matter-of-fact you are, the more matter-of-fact your children will be. When we act hysterical, they will usually reflect our hysteria. If you act anxious, they will act anxious. If you appear unsure, they will push. Model the reaction and attitude you want your children to adopt.

If you have another set of grandparents in the picture then focus on them. It is rare that both sets of grandparents are nasty. Emphasize to your children how much we enjoy being around grandma and grandpa so-and-so (the decent and loving grandparents). Cultivate your children's relationship with the decent, loving grandparents. Teach your children to be grateful for the decent, loving grandparents. Gratitude is a highly effective antidote to loss. Focus them on what they have, not what they don't have. Model that attitude of gratitude.

You will find that the children will eventually stop mentioning the loss of the narcissist grandparent if you are not bringing it up. If you are talking about your Nparent in the hearing of your children then you are inviting them to keep talking about it, too. I can not over-emphasize the need for your explanation to a younger child to be calm, pragmatic, measured and short. Long explanations make you look defensive which will tend to peak the interest of the child and prompt him to push the issue. You can gauge what is appropriate information depending on the age of the child. If the child is older and has experienced or witnessed the Ngrandparent's nastiness in action then you can say more.

Young children are not known for their long attention spans. This works in your favour. With younger children you have the advantage of distraction. It is easy enough to get the child's mind off onto another track. Every parent has done the distraction routine at one time or another. "Mommy, I want to see NastyGram today!" "Honey, we aren't going to see NastyGram today because we get to go to the park and eat ice cream." (Make up fun time on the spot if necessary for this distraction.) "Yay!!" sez the kid and off we go. Subject changed, kid distracted. In time, NastyGram will fade from memory. Any bonding that may have occurred will dissipate in the process of time.

Remember, you are the parent. You're older and therefore more experienced which is the point of being the parent. The child is dependent on your good sense and protective wisdom. You're smarter than your child; use that to your advantage (such as using the distraction method). You are the final authority. This is not a negotiable issue. Kidlet doesn't get to decide on this one because they lack the understanding, wisdom, experience and good sense that, hopefully, you have. So don't look like you're unsure or open to quibble. You'll undermine yourself if you look anything but firm and resolved on it. Use your advantages as parent to smooth the effects of the cut-off. Over time this will all quiet down. Kids tend to accept what is. It will happen more quickly if you follow the above advice.

Most of all, do not operate from a fearful mindset. Don't be afraid of your children's possible, or actual, reactions. Don't be afraid that you are depriving them of something important by cutting off a set of grandparents. You are only "depriving" them of bad things. Reassure yourself with that truth. Family is not everything. Blood is not binding. You are escaping the Mob Family. What should connect us is how we treat each other with love and respect. This is always a good lesson to teach our little ones. If any part of you is unsure of your decision then, for Pete's sake, don't show it. Your resoluteness will go a long way toward reassuring your children that you are acting in everyone's best interest. If your children know that you love them, they are going to feel reassured that this decision is also based in your love for them. They will find an added sense of security to know that you, as their parent, are willing to protect them even at the cost of your relationship with your own parent(s). Rather than being fearful, see the plentiful opportunities in this. You are protecting your children from someone whom you've experienced as being abusive; you are reassuring your children that you are in charge and are watchful for their best interests (creates deep sense of security); you can teach healthy family u; you can strengthen and reinforce the healthy relationships in your extended family. Kids are less likely to feel like there is a void in their life if you fill it with good things.

Cutting off from your narcissist parent is a good thing. No need to act otherwise. Your children will sense it is a good thing by how you behave. Model how you want them to respond and it is likely they will imitate. Don't be afraid of their questions. Kids are amazingly resilient and well-equipped to handle truth. Parents are supposed to protect their progeny. If your child doesn't agree with how you go about that don't worry. They will often disagree with your decisions for their best interests. Nothing new there. It is your job as parent to make the tough decisions. If you know it is the right decision then proceed with confidence. Showing confidence is a quality of leadership. As a parent you are supposed to be a leader. Lead...and they will likely follow".

sphinxster · 01/02/2016 11:03

Attila thank you very much, your advice is appreciated and that excerpt is stop on.

Re your question: eldest brother also lives overseas with wife and stepdaughter. Their relationship is volatile with lots of arguments and PILs criticising his wife. Middle brother lives in the same town and is very much controlled by their negative comments and mis-guidance.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 01/02/2016 12:14

Am sorry there has been no climb by PILS. I can see why DH thinks Skype featuring DS seems a way of maintaining contact without giving ground though I expect his parents phrased the suggestion more like a demand than a humble request. Stubbornly refusing to communicate normally, they're still adopting the hard-done by victim role. DH is in unknown territory, but he's not discussed dropping your surname nor is he trying to mend bridges. I don't know what your best tactic is but be on your guard against 'flying monkeys' aka siblings brokering peace on the parents ' terms.

They resent losing influence and this name business underlined how he is no longer jumping to do their bidding. As they themselves said, there are consequences to all choices. It seems unlikely they will visit this month. Every cloud...!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 01/02/2016 12:15

no climb down that first line should have said.

MoominPie22 · 01/02/2016 12:35

HaHa Spinx Grin.....Now you´re really taking me back to the movie Blue Velvet! All you need is a vertically challenged ¨extra¨ in the fore/background....LOL

Well doesn´t that speak volume about the relationship the other brothers and their partners have with the weirdos? It sounds like the other bro who lives abroad is challenging and not enmeshed like your husband and the one back in the UK, would you say? Esp if his wife is getting attacked by them! I wonder why he hasn´t gone NC...So surely him and his wife can sympathise with your current predicament?

It´s just further proof to me that they are atrociously inept and dysfunctional parents who are toxic beyond belief, really. But people need to stand up to them, man.

I know if I were in your shoes I´d be mightily hurt and pissed off if my husband didn´t have his priorities right and his loyalty with me as his wife. So I really hope, when you tackle him about this, he really listens to you, hears your concerns and attempts to let you guide him to change the fecked up dynamic and current scenario with the Skype on their terms! Sheez...Angry gets me riled just trying to empathise and imagine what I would do!!

So when are you gonna give him ¨The Talk¨? Hopefully before your next sesh is scheduled??

Some good ideas on here too, about not being available and even making a tiny fib Blush that your son maybe is poorly, having a nap just to test the waters to show them that, actually they are not in control from afar and will not be calling the shots, saying ¨jump!¨ and you both are like ¨How high??¨........

....or just say you´re IPad is bust/internet probs etc..who gives a shit?! It´d be good to just gauge their reaction when something they weren´t expecting happens! Smile

sphinxster · 01/02/2016 12:35

I truly hope they're not visiting. I keep getting images of the doorbell going late one night and them barging in demanding to see their grandchild. Highly unlikely but I'll be relieved when February is over!

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MoominPie22 · 01/02/2016 12:40

Confused How can they visit if they´re not speaking to you?? How would that even work?

sphinxster · 01/02/2016 12:43

They've spent years painting the older brother's wife as an evil villain and played the victim. He's quite a bit older and we've been hearing horror stories about her since we were teenagers. My parents and I have had a conversation recently about how all of these stories might have been twisted and maybe she just hasn't tolerated their crap.

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sphinxster · 01/02/2016 12:44

They likely won't visit, but how can you be sure with people like this. They're not rational.

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MoominPie22 · 01/02/2016 13:01

You mean you´ve not met her? Well if the info is coming from them then it´s bound to be total bullshit. They´ll be saying the same about you to all and sundry back home.

You can be sure they don´t visit ( which would be very unlikely unless they´re former pro Mime artistes! ) by flipping telling them they´re not welcome! And if they ever did turn up unannounced you turn them away like any other Psychos.

sphinx, not to be pushy but, it sounds like you need to take back some control in your relationship instead of being the passive bystander, complying with what your brainwashed, enmeshed husband says. Yes, they´re his parents but they´re effecting yours and your son´s life here! You need to protect your baby from their evil forces so he too doesn´t fall under their poisonous spell. Seriously, I bet they´re trying to send subliminal messages to him thru the ipad. There´s dark forces at work here, you know!

OK, trying not to drop another movie reference Blush

.....But it really does remind me of Rosemary´s Baby so you need to tell them to keep their malignant arses firmly in the UK and not contaminate your sofa and home!

Shit...couldn´t help it.Blush

Pooseyfrumpture · 01/02/2016 14:11

So theoretically this argument is all about your baby's name.

What does your DH think would happen if you announced that you'd reconsidered and were happy to change the name? Does he think his parents would love him again come round on friendly terms? Or does he think that you'd all be on tenterhooks until the next thing you did that they didn't like?

Ohfourfoxache · 01/02/2016 14:28

I love the coat of arms idea and "taking the moral high ground" Grin

WicksEnd · 01/02/2016 14:58

I'm more confused by your DH's behaviour than theirs. They're clearly quite mad, but I can't imagine anyone I know, friends, family, colleagues, facilitating this baby via Skype malarkey. It's ludicrous and quite worrying that he can't see that.
They must certainly have done their work on him over the years for him to think this is in any way normal.
He needs help and I would have put my foot down before it began. Poor fella.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/02/2016 15:25

Interesting. Does your DH have much of a relationship with his DB? Would you be in a position to speak to him and/or his wife and see if the iLs behaviour is or was similar to the way they treat you and DH? And if so, enlist their help in getting DH to see the FOG.

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