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is my husband being unreasonable?

236 replies

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 09:28

hi. i'd be really interested in people's opinions on this. i want to relocate out of london to the south coast as we have a baby on the way. that was always the plan - we have been together 10 years. we said we'd do it once a baby was on the way. now that that's happened, my husband is back tracking, saying he needs to be in london for work (he doesn't) and i can relocate and he may spent 4 nights a week away.
i understandably feel very vulnerable and worried and want him to just agree to a move out. he says i can move but he will leave his options open and he 'may' feel differently once the baby is here. but i want a definite plan. all i want is a nice family home near my family (who are also on the south coast). he wants to make more money in london but i am so over that! am i, or he, being unreasonable?

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LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:13

yes currently i don't have any compromises. i realise that. i don't expect him to commute that far. i just wanted us to be together. but i understand that cant really happen. although lots of my friends seem to manage it, it just doesn't seem to be able to happen for us. we have equity in london and can both get decent jobs which is a much better situ than lots of people i know who don't own their own homes and still manage families in the south west. if you really want something to happen you can make it happen, I believe.

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LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:14

lightbulbon: fair point.

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PaperPlaneDown · 29/01/2016 12:22

Have you considered staying in London? I live in London and when we had DS we had no local family support, but joined an NCT group and made "mum" friends that way, and now through school. We love having lots of things to do on our doorstep, and have been lucky to be able to work part time.

It's different from your situation in that neither DH or I had any wish to return to our (small) home towns, but I'm just trying to say that it's not all bad, and is worth looking into.

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:24

we cant really afford to move to anywhere bigger in london - we have one bed - so will outgrow it very quickly. relocation means swapping expensive flat for cheaper house. so is much more financially viable for us, especially with career changes imminent.

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firesidechat · 29/01/2016 12:24

if you really want something to happen you can make it happen, I believe.

A tiny bit of me finds this admirable, the larger part thinks that you are being hopelessly naive and a bit head in the sand. Time for some honesty and a serious talk has arrived.

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:26

we have talked. and talked and talked and talked. the friends i see out of london are skint but happy! naive maybe but they are smiling hard as opposed to the people i used to commute with on the tube.

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Shakey15000 · 29/01/2016 12:27

*LIVINGTHEDREAM

No, he didn't do it for me, he did it for us. Just that the transition wasn't as easy as expected for him. Understandable, given that he'd moved away from all his family and friends. So it would be natural to assume that it would even more difficult for someone who doesn't seem like he wants to move in the first place.

Sorry that you've been disappointed. What will you do?

PitPatKitKat · 29/01/2016 12:27

Maybe he doesn't know what he wants yet. If he is changing careers, then maybe he doesn't know the lie of the land well enough yet to know what he wants. In which case, keeping his options open is fairly sensible. So maybe he is drained by talking because he doesn't have answers yet (it would be different if he was in a job he was secure in, he'd know the boundaries).

I also think you wanting to be close to parents when you have a child is fairly sensible. and a commute from e.g. Brighton is one thing, Exeter is another.

Could you do something like set reasonable time frames for decision making (not ultimatums). So something like "How long do you think it will take for you to get reasonably well established in a new career?".

The best example I can think of is DH said to me when had been ill for about 3 months that "I sense I have a chance to really push myself forward in the next year or so, it'll be long hours can you just trust me to get on with it". I was like ok , but we have to look at it again at the end of the year.

To be fair to him, he got himself promoted twice and added about 50% to his salary ( a lot of more senior people were retiring and he could see how he could jump a few rungs quickly). He said he wanted to get us to a position where if I was never able to work again (it wasn't certain) it would be ok. And he did it. He worked a hell of a lot that year, at a time when I was struggling a lot with my health and it wasn't easy. But he did do his best at home too, so did I, we just let a few things slide for a bit as well.

By the end of it I was just about breaking. But we did reassess again at the end of the year and then his travel/working hours dropped back massively and it got easier again. And now I have the security of knowing that if I do get ill again it will be ok.

AgathaF · 29/01/2016 12:29

The fact that you are in a one bed will force his hand with a move within a year or two anyway. Perhaps just go with staying in London for now, see how your relationship is going, and revisit this issue when you actually do need to move, which will be when your baby needs his/her own bedroom.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 29/01/2016 12:30

friends i see out of london are skint but happy! naive maybe but they are smiling hard as opposed to the people i used to commute with on the tube.

That is naive to the extreme. Not everyone out of London is skint and happy, just like everyone in London has money and is miserable.

You really do seem to have a rose-tinted, fairytale view of live. Reality is not like that.

paxillin · 29/01/2016 12:31

The only couples I know with one partner following the other one reluctantly out of a big city ended up splitting. After the 50:50 asset split life no longer is all that affordable for the countryside based partner either and the city based one tends to have an easier way to work their way back up to a good standard of living on account of the better opportunities. Child maintenance is really quite low in the UK and doesn't help much.

ovenchips · 29/01/2016 12:31

One final question: could I ask how many weeks pregnant you are and how long have you both known? You said your DH hasn't said I love you since learning of the baby, so am wondering how long that is.

firesidechat · 29/01/2016 12:31

You've talked and talked, but have you listened to each other.

If you've picked up that he finds this subject difficult, why have you not stopped mid conversation and asked him if he has any interest in moving to Devon/Cornwall now? It might be difficult to hear, but it is pointless to pretend it's not happening.

Also your friends might be happy to be skint, but it's not for everyone, including your husband it seems.

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:33

ah, pitpatkitkat that's a really lovely story and most helpful. i really hope all your health problems are behind you now?
yes, this sounds sensible. I'm just not sure i have the trust you had...
he definitely doesn't know how the land lies re: new career., you're right. hindsight (wonderful thing) means this was always going to be a problem but we glossed over it. sigh. looks like I'm either going to be single, lonely or in london...

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firesidechat · 29/01/2016 12:33

Can you compromise on where you live together? There are places within an easy commute of London that might be acceptable to both of you.

It doesn't have to be London or Cornwall.

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:35

16 weeks, oven chips...

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ADishBestEatenCold · 29/01/2016 12:35

"i thought once we had a baby i would get the life i craved and thought most men made that happen....."

"i thought most husbands went with what their wives wanted at the end of the day?"

"loads of my friends' husbands do what their wives want!"

Was stunned to hear you are nearly 40. ^ When I started reading the thread I though you were very young, very immature and very naive.

"he is drained by me and my incessant talking about it and the future and what he wants. i am a bit intense to be fair."

I'm not really surprised that he is drained by you. You're like a steam road roller. I'm feeling a bit drained by you and I've only been reading this for five minutes.

"yes i see it as a compromise but also getting to live with your best mate for half the week while your wife is 250 miles away with a screaming baby?"

Wow. Just wow. ^ So not only is he trying to compromise (while you admit you have no compromises to offer) but that compromise, as you tell it, would involve you taking ALL the equity, that you have both built up, for your nice mortgage free life down South, while your DH dosses at a mate's ... yet you still describe that as him having all the advantage! v v v

"getting to live with your best mate" ... "your wife is 250 miles away with a screaming baby"

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:38

thanks for your most helpful comments ADishBestEatenCold.

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paxillin · 29/01/2016 12:43

Don't forget to factor in that if you will be single you won't have all of the money from the London house to play with, but half. If the relationship is dead, of course there is no other way, but you need to be honest with yourself about finances and you might have to go to back work earlier and for longer hours than planned, child maintenance really does not amount to much unless your dh is loaded. 15% of an income does not normally feed a child, cheap town or not.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 29/01/2016 12:46

Having a new baby is a BIG thing. Especially if it's the first one.

Moving area is a BIG thing.

He's possibly scared shitless of either, let alone both together. They are huge life changing events. And he's changing jobs too? Another life changer.

If I were you, I think I'd either have the baby first, and let that dust settle for a while before approaching moving out again, he may see the benefit for the whole family once he's besotted with pfb. Or if you think it's just that the south coast is a step too far, compromise and move that way but still close enough to London.

AlwaysHopeful1 · 29/01/2016 12:49

It sounds as though you have only one place in mind not living anywhere else but your hometown. You also have this rosy idea of a simple life, painted by what your friends do and what men should be doing for their wives. How are you compromising in any way.?

He will be the one doing the commute, staying away from his family, not in his own home. You get all the benefit. As he will be the sole provider don't you think he gets a say as well?

Sorry but I think you have a very simplistic and naive view of the future. You even say you will be skint. Why would you not want more than that?

PitPatKitKat · 29/01/2016 12:51

It wasn't just trust though. It was huge leap of faith. It nearly drove me mental at times. It took a lot of effort and involved a lot of lonely or difficult times. it did also involve me accepting that I wasn't going to get exactly what I wanted.

He never missed a medical appointment with me which helped. We once drove together straight from a hospital consultation to a week long business trip 250 miles away though.

(My health is a lot better now thank you, but it won't ever be back to "normal").

I do think that it is essential that to realise that maybe you want things that aren't in his gift just now and cut him some slack for it. Marriage is sometimes about you both facing what life throws at you together.. Everything gets easier when you start facing this side by side.

LIVINGTHEDREAM1 · 29/01/2016 12:52

AlwaysHopeful1, because we have worked hard for the last 20 years and built up equity in london and commuted 2 hours each way each day and struggled with ill health and not seeing my parents and missing out on my niece growing up and seeing my sister and i wanted a change? because money isn't the be all and end all? if we have a nice house surely thats the most important thing? anyway, we would be skint in london. we were skint when we earn a combined salary of £80K.

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iloveberries · 29/01/2016 12:53

You'll move, you'll be with baby.
He'll be working in London trying to provide for you being a SAHM in a pricy south coast town.
You'll complain that he's never home and when he is home he's tired.
He will decide coming home to a hard time every night isn't fun.
You will resent eachother.
It won't work.

Cut this guy some slack now and consider what he wants as equally as important as what you want...

Bubblesinthesummer · 29/01/2016 12:55

i wanted a change?

I again Hmm

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