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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

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AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

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MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 20/01/2016 17:29

What is a 'lobster'?

Or should I not ask?

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:30

I am not leaving my marriage because of him. I'm leaving my marriage for me. And for my DD. Because this marriage is not the example I want her to have.

The 6 months timeline is for both of us. I'm not saying it's going to take him 6 months to leave. But we agreed to take 6 months to sort our shit out and meet when we are free and able to pursue something. I don't know if I've explained right.

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CheersMedea · 20/01/2016 17:32

lets assume he does follow through and he is free to pursue something with me after the 6 month time frame has lapsed. Can people change? Is it worth risking my heart for? That's the question really. Can people change?

That's a mighty unfounded assumption, but OK then.

Those are the wrong questions.
Can people change?

The question is not "can people change?" ( answer: yes); the question is "Will THIS MAN change?". Answer: No. You are crazy if you think otherwise - you've got a huge pile of evidence that he a man who is not faithful. There are some people like this. It's part of their character. It's who they are. No, he won't change.

You have to agree to sign up to a relationship with someone who will always be sleeping with other women and trying to sleep with other women and who you will be obsessing about the fact he is sleeping with other women or might be or might be trying to. Do you want that?

Is it worth risking my heart for?

Again the wrong question. A risk is where there is a potential for loss, a chance. It is a certainty that you will get hurt here; he does not really care about you; he does not care about his gf; he does not sound a nice person.

So the real question is "is having great sex with him now worth future emotional pain of an uncertain amount?"

The pain could be utterly destroying, it may break you and cause you to have a breakdown (re-read your description of how you felt before); on the other hand it could be a few months of crying and feeling like shit. But there will be emotional pain.

Is the now fun worth the certain future pain? Only you can answer that. I doubt it. Everyone here posting doubts it. But it may be worth it for you because you want to do it. Don't delude yourself there is a "risk" though - there really is no risk. It's a dead cert.

BlondeOnATreadmill · 20/01/2016 17:32

And IMO, a man who values Sex so highly, that he will risk his current relationship to have it with others, is in NO WAY going to go without sex for the next 6 months. He will be sleeping with his GF, for absolute sure.

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 17:33

I'm leaving my marriage for me. And for my DD. Because this marriage is not the example I want her to have.

Whilst having an affair with a OM when married to her DF, not yelling him the truth and getting together with a serial cheater is a brilliant example to set Hmm

PirateSmile · 20/01/2016 17:33

Why don't you change OP and stop persuading hopeless relationships, rather than pinning your hopes on a horrible man becoming a nice man?

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 17:34

*telling

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:34

Thank you CheersMedea. That is useful. I have a lot of thinking to do, I know that.

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ouryve · 20/01/2016 17:35

He's already demonstrated that he will shag as many women, in the same period of time, as he possibly can. He's proved that he is is utterly incapable of being faithful to one woman. Or even two. How, in all honestly, can you envisage the two of you having a happy forever after, if you do leave your husband for him?

You know, he might, just might, dump his current partner for you, but how many other women will he keep on the go, in the future?

JenEric · 20/01/2016 17:35

Personally I think it's too much to come back from. I think you would spend too much time looking back to this time when you were a person you seem to hate. He would always remind you of that and I doubt you would ever be able to trust him.

Therapy is definitely a good idea even if you just read some books. Go hunt around some reviews of self help books. If nothing else they will help you think and focus.

Also try and read your posts as if someone else had written then. What would you tell her?

I think you need a totally new start. Become someone you love, a good example and a good mother. Don't compromise yourself for anyone. Be the role model you want your kid to have. You've got this.

Twinklestein · 20/01/2016 17:35

If you want to repeat getting dumped from a great height that's up to you.
Although technically in this instance you're not going to get dumped because he's not going to leave his partner for you. (They're not sleeping in separate bedrooms btw).

Why should posters spend their energy trying to stop you doing something stupid that you're going to do anyway?

Why not come back in 6 months to a year when you realise that you ended your marriage for nothing.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:37

You're right HumptyDumpty, it's a terrible example. But rightly or wrongly, I have no intention of telling my now husband or anyone else about any of this. Lets say I do go ahead assuming of course OM leaves his GF and we have our shot in 6 months, as far as the world would be concerned, this would be the start of our relationship. Open fire.

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CheersMedea · 20/01/2016 17:38

MagicalMrsMistoffelees

What is a 'lobster'?

Lobsters mate for life allegedly. It's another term for soul mates and originates from the sit com "Friends"

Two characters Ross & Rachel kept splitting up and getting back together. Phoebe (another character) had a theory they were meant to be together because "he's her lobster". Watch the clip here:

NanaNina · 20/01/2016 17:39

I have never heard of so many judgemental posts on a thread. Dear god I'm surprised they're not talking of putting you in the village stocks and pelting you with whatever they used, slight better than stoning you to death! Or ducking you in the village pond.

OK you cheated and so did he - it's not the end of the world. There are hundreds of people cheating all over the country (maybe the DH/DPs) of some of these posters. The divorce rate is about 40% and rising and I'm sure a lot of people in those marriages are cheating.

My worry is that I don't think the love of your life is going to leave his wife - I might be wrong but I thought you said "he will leave in about 6 months" and now you seem to be saying that you have both decided to stay apart for 6 months? And your ex H? what of him - is he ok? I know you are co-parenting, but are there loose ends still to tie up. Are you still living together?

Time will tell whether it will work out IF he leaves his wife.

But here's one woman who doesn't think you are the lowest of the low!!

Anyway

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:40

JenEric, thank you. I will be doing some research on books later tonight. There are so many of you that have said lots of things that are striking cords with me, really, you have no idea. I just can't mention you all, but it's very appreciated.

So, lets get down to the nittygritty here. Not one of you think that this man has it in him to be faithful to me?

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NanaNina · 20/01/2016 17:41

Oh dear yougottakeepthem what a truly unpleasant post. Yuk!

AsleepOnTheHay · 20/01/2016 17:41

Your judgement is impaired by good sex. Simple. In a few years he probably won't be able to manage it either. Ask yourself what else there is between you. Your judgement is probably also impaired by the thrill of it all. When you're picking up his dirty underwear off the floor he won't seem half as attractive.

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Funinthesun15 · 20/01/2016 17:44

OK you cheated and so did he - it's not the end of the world.

Are you going to come on say that on the next thread on MN where an OP says their world is falling apart as their partner is having an affair? No thought not.

Andthentherewasmum · 20/01/2016 17:45

What a sad waste of your best years. You could have been in fulfilling and nurturing relationships instead you are like a sad washed out drama junkie.

I'm assuming you love your child very much. Why would you want to expose them to this mental health roller coaster? Being a good parent involves making difficult conscious choices of what influences to bring into their lives. You are knowingly exposing your child to a turbulent future that could damage their emotional stability.

You can therefore add your child to list of collateral damage in your 'passion' for this man. Well done you.

I suspect we are all wasting our time and you'll be played like a fiddle by this man. You won't listen because if you are honest you are enjoying the thrill too much. So why bother posting?

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 17:45

Its not about deciding whether he could be faithful, no one can tell you that. The question is why do you keep putting yourself in these situations?

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:46

NanaNina, thanks to you too. Ah, tis ok, I knew what I was doing when I wrote this today.

Again, I don't think I explained the 6 months thing very well. We decided to drop physical and drastically reduce written/verbal contact for 6 months. That period of time was for us to separate from our partners and have some time to get our heads straight. So it's both really.

My stbxh is actually really, really fine. He knows as well as me that our marriage was never right. His priority is our DD. Unfortunately properties in our area are scarce so we are waiting until the right one comes available before he moves our. Things are friendly between us thankfully. But no, he doesn't know about OM. OM was a symptom, not a cause for our breakdown - an exit affair I think they call it? I will not be telling him. It is pointless.

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