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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

424 replies

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
FantasticButtocks · 20/01/2016 16:33

he has absolutely treated me like shit over the years, but I do think he loves me. And I do think he wants to be with me. And I also know that I may never be able to trust him. Why is all this ok with you? Why do you think so little of yourself that you think this unsatisfactory man is good enough for you? Is this all you deserve?

If you are determined to let yourself stay on this painful path in life in order to be with him, then at least say to him he can be back in touch once he's single and not before. Meanwhile go for therapy and delve into why on earth you are so desperate for love that you'd settle for the prospect of a life blighted by the unhappiness you will suffer when he inevitably lets you down. Has he ever had a relationship where he hasn't cheated? Is this all you want for yourself?

Why not step off this roundabout for a few months?

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/01/2016 16:33

The man is a complete bawbag...get rid

diddl · 20/01/2016 16:34

"He has treated me like shit but I do think he loves me."

No.

If you love someone you just can't treat them badly.

Is it just the sex?

Funinthesun15 · 20/01/2016 16:35

Oh and you need to tell your stbx that you were having an affair with OM whlist married to him too.

Potatoface2 · 20/01/2016 16:35

this bloke doesnt love anyone but himself....he doesnt love any of the children he has left behind , he doesnt love any of the women hes had affairs with , he doesnt love you and he wont love your child....get away from him while you can before he destroys you totally....your child deserves better....hes a sad pathetic excuse for a man who must be heading for 50 by now....give it 10 years and he will be alone with nothing to offer anyone, dont let those next ten years be at your expense

VivaHate · 20/01/2016 16:35

"he has absolutely treated me like shit over the years, but I do think he loves me. And I do think he wants to be with me."

No he doesn't love you. I doubt he even cares for you.

If he treats you like shit he does not love you; it's merely a form of control to keep you begging/running back to him for more when he "allows" it. He doesn't want to be with you otherwise he would be with you.

It really is that straightforward unfortunately. Your idea of what "love" is, is inaccurate and unhealthy. I really think you should look into therapy/counselling.

pandaskitchen · 20/01/2016 16:36

Think long and hard - is this really truly going to make you happy? Are you running away from a problem or running to a problem? Reading between the lines I think you know the answer and this man is an excuse, distraction and excitement.

The track record isn't good his 4 failed relationships through cheating are indicating he is not in this for the long haul. I can accept a mistake but this is a pattern.

Why not list the pro's and con's, and think truly what will be different this time around, it clearly hasn't worked once and if you take a chance are you prepared for the pain and heartache for it not to work again. I tried again with an Ex a year after we split- and it started again great but only took weeks to slip into old ways prickly ways and then I finished it as soon as I recognized this.

It isn't just you to think about anymore what about your child's best interests?

Waltermittythesequel · 20/01/2016 16:37

I never understand these threads.

I'm not saying you shouldn't post, I just never get them.

You all think your story is so different, so unique. It never is. Ever. There may be some slight differences but ultimately it's one person who is an absolutely, full of shit, selfish cunt, and someone who has so little self-worth that they're willing to lap up the blatant bullshit for a crumb of false affection.

It would be tragic if it wasn't so self-involved and self-inflicted.

He's your lobster? I mean, really? You're a grown woman and some cheesy line from a decade old sitcom is part of your justification?

You're separated and he might soon be. If you're stupid enough to believe him There'll be nothing stopping you from being together.

But you won't be happy with him. And until you decide you're worth more and deserve more nobody here can help you.

SongBird16 · 20/01/2016 16:38

I'm trying not to judge you but what I will say is that love does not involve pain, weight loss, sleepless nights, shame, guilt and mistrust.

Love is easy and wonderful. Love is trusting the other person with your life, and knowing they'd rather die than hurt you.

This is not love. But I predict that you will convince yourself that it is, that he's changed and that you're meant to be together. In six months you will still be waiting for him to leave. In a year you will still be waiting for him to leave. At some point his wife will find out and he'll come to you, pretending it was his choice. You will then spend a long time agonising over his fidelity, before he eventually leaves you for someone else.

You will waste years of your life being on his hook, his dead cert girl for an extra-marital shag.

Personally I don't care, I think you deserve all of that misery and more for your own disgusting behaviour, but it is avoidable if only you had the common sense and wherewithal to avoid it.

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 20/01/2016 16:40

If this is true then it's a very sad state of affairs - literally.

You're 40 with a child - now grow up. All by yourself. Because he is not someone who will help you do that. He is a serial cheater. Leave him to it and don't think you're any different to all his other girlfriends - you're all equally disposable.

Ugh - your post has made me cross! Angry

CauliflowerBalti · 20/01/2016 16:44

Not going to judge. But this isn't your happily ever after. It doesn't matter how much you love him. You know - you have SEEN - that he is incapable of committing. He wants what he can't have. Your attraction is that you are forbidden. All of this will change when you are truly his.

He might say this isn't the case, and he might believe it. He might have the best intentions. But I promise, he will let you down again.

Forgetting him is easier said than done, I do know this. But try. Give yourself the space to find someone wonderful.

LoTeQuiero · 20/01/2016 16:45

I've been in a similar position ( only for 3 years) but I too met someone intoxicating, dynamic, absolutely gorgeous and fell head over heels for him. He was abusive to me in the extreme. We separated, he had another gf (blamed me, saying he had such a terrible time he needed to get over me ). I spent a long time unable to let go, loving this man to depths I wasn't aware existed. We had contact. I convinced myself that he was "the one", he would come back to me. Very soon after that, I saw that he had no intention of doing so. It was the hardest thing in the world (and I had s few false starts!) but I decided that I would simply walk away. No drama, no weeping and shouting - just walk away. I wasn't going to let myself be treated like that and I deserved more. I half wondered if he might put up a fight (we're both single) but of course he didn't. I loved him, I still love him. I think of him sometimes but not much. And I don't miss him. I don't miss the reality of him. And that happened far more quickly that I ever imagined once Id made a conscious decision to put him out of my life.
I can't imagine ever loving anyone again and certainly not in that way.

If you do go forward into this then do it because you want to, not because you need to. You have a choice here and there are safer decisions you can make. Will he make you happy?

hellsbellsmelons · 20/01/2016 16:46

You will never be happy with this hideous specimen.
You will never fully trust him. Just look at his track record.
You will be forever wondering where he is, who is he with.
You KNOW full well you deserve better than this cheating scumbag.

Contact Womens Aid and enrol on their Freedom Programme. Hopefully that will help you spot red flags and put boundaries in place and not make the same mistakes with future relationships.
Call them tonight! 0808 2000 247

Wristy · 20/01/2016 16:48

You're wasting your life here OP. Years and years you've given up for this shithead.

Actions speak louder and his actions are not those of someone who loves you. Shit, I probably love you more than he does and I don't even know you.

obsessedlex · 20/01/2016 16:48

I've been in a similar position BUT for us it turned out well and 4 years later (after a 4/5 year affair) we are still together, very happily living together with my dd and are trying for a child of our own. Sadly I had a miscarriage 7 weeks ago. But I just wanted to tell you OP that I know we are the minority but it has worked for us. He was and still is my lobster! Hugs to you xx

HumptyDumptyHadaHardTime · 20/01/2016 16:51

He's had affairs. You'very had an affair and not had the decency to tell your stbx even though you are under the same roof.

Maybe you deserve each other.

One things for sure though. He will cheat again

fuzzywuzzy · 20/01/2016 16:51

All the reasons your lobster left you the last time are still there.

You sound like you lurch from one disasterous relationship to another.

You're not going to find someone to fix you and make you happy, you're the only person who can do that.

I prefer lobsters in toasted brioche buns with mayonnaise personally.

Shutthatdoor · 20/01/2016 16:52

He's my lobster

Quite frankly, grow up.

Plus tell your DH the truth

Headagainstwall · 20/01/2016 16:52

Don't look at what they say, look at what they do.

He doesn't love you. Sorry. I think you need counselling.

JenEric · 20/01/2016 16:54

Right now you have two men in your life.

One man is reliable, dependable and very lovely but cannot give you sex and spice.

The other man is all sex and nothing else. He has proven himself a fickle cheat and liar.

What you NEED is some time on your own. Focus on yourself and your DD for a bit. You also need to think about how you ended up here. You sound like you are totally conflicted to me. I think you "love" this man but hate yourself.

You don't have to be this person. You don't have to stick with the cheating asshole as a penance for your wrong doing.

Learn to love yourself and THEN look for a man who will love you to. One who can give you and your DD love laughs stability support and loyalty. Also make sure he adores you and the physical side is there as well.

Treat this as a new beginning. Good luck.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 20/01/2016 16:55

I wont flame you, never kick a woman when she is down

however, this is what I say and I mean this

If he truly loved you, he would leave his wife first and then come to you single

if he does not do this, I think he is stringing you. and you have a child that you don't to bring into this fucked-up-ness

as much as you love him, think about your child and put their need for stability first

PirateSmile · 20/01/2016 16:59

We only get one life. Why then are some people hellbent on fucking it up Confused

FantasticButtocks · 20/01/2016 17:00

Another thing to consider - you say his exw and DCs hate you. Are you intending to try to be a step-parent to these dcs? Or try to blend your dc with his? Because if anything will kill it, that certainly will.

Unless you are a masochist and enjoy pain, don't do this to yourself.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 17:01

So many things I want to address...

My child. DO NOT bring my child into this. I have no intention of introducing any man until I am 100% sure the relationship and the man is right for US. I'm talking years. We are a package, the end. I would die to protect that wee one and there's no man on earth that will muddy the waters in that respect. No way, no how. It's bad enough her parents won't be together, but I/we are doing everything we can to make it as right as we can. That's all I'll say on that.

I came on here, expecting and even courting some straight talking and sensible feedback. I have no-one to talk to IRL. I wouldn't have friends left if I told the truth. And yes, I deserve it. But, I am not all bad, I'm really not. I've made bad decisions, I've done bad things, but I'm really sorry and I just want to be fucking happy. Godammit, crying now... And that's not for sympathy, it's another sad fucking fact in my sad fucking life.

He treated me like shit years ago, not now. He was a messed up individual who was in no place to be in any relationship, he knows all of this. He has tried to make amends and tried to win me back over the years. I never gave him the chance. But here we are. I was at rock bottom in my marriage, starved for some sort of affection and I have a dumbass eureka moment - "I'll just hook up with an old flame for some NSA sex". WTF was I thinking? He was never going to be a NSA anything for me. Nor me for him, despite what you think. If only it were that simple.

He has encouraged me to take time out, to think hard about whether I want to stay married or want him. He will give me as much time as I need. WE have decided to cut the cord for 6 months and then see where we are. We both have shit to sort in this time. That means staying away from eachother.

The question is, do I give him the chance? Do I just keep on walking? You don't know me, you don't know him, but trust me when I say, I KNOW he will leave his GF. I just know it. If he doesn't, well it would nearly make all of this easier as there'd be no decision to be made. I'd just have to suck it up, accept that I've been a fool once again and come on here for some virtual tea, sympathy and told-you-sos. I suspect the latter will be VERY forthcoming!

But lets assume he does follow through and he is free to pursue something with me after the 6 month time frame has lapsed. Can people change? Is it worth risking my heart for? That's the question really. Can people change?

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springydaffs · 20/01/2016 17:05

This is such a car crash waiting to happen. It's totally obvious he is a cheat through and through. Like the poor pp whose skank of a teacher exploited her, he will dip his nob into someone else before too long. Surely you can see that. This is NOT loves dream.

He has scarred you, hurt you unbelievably, treated you like shit. This is who he is, he's not going to mellow or 'come to his senses' - these ARE his senses, this is who he is. He is fully living with his LTP. Honestly girl you are believing a pile of shite. Mouth moving, he's lying.

Get into therapy, find out what's going on that you are making extremely poor choices with men. How up together you are in other areas of your life is irrelevant: there is a flaw here and you need to address it. If you can't do it for you, do it for your child - I mean it, this is a disaster waiting to happen and it's not just you to think about now.

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