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It's long, I'm so in the wrong, but I'm in a mess and need a place to talk...

424 replies

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 15:34

... if you could see your way fit to let me and reach a hand into the flames that I suspect are about to engulf me. I'm ready.

Nobody knows any of this. Some people know some things, but nobody knows it all apart from me and him. I suppose I'm at the point now I need an outside, objective opinion from somebody who, yes, might judge, but will do so from a place of fairness and neutrality (I hope). I thank you in advance.

16 years ago, I embarked on an 2 year long affair. He was married, I was single. I was 24, he was 30. Yes, there were kids involved, I know it was wrong, but I did it. I have no excuses, unless love/infatuation/lust is one. There is no other. It was wrong, we were wrong, I knew it, he knew it, yet we did it. There is nothing I can do to change that now. Long story short, he left his then wife and we were together. About a year afterwards, he dumped me from a great height. Completely out of the blue and it devastated me. "Karma" I hear you cry? Maybe so, I don't believe in it particularly, but this was certainly payback. A couple of months later, he came to me to tell me that he had gotten another girl pregnant. The dates suggest that she was impregnated either very close to the end of our relationship or just before. I have never had the stomach to ask too many questions, we were over anyway and I was already in a very, very dark place and physically and mentally could not cope with any more at this point. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that I was in pieces. He wanted me back several times thereafter, but I couldn't and wouldn't. And, as it does, life moved on and so did I eventually. We stayed in touch throughout the years. The odd text, mail or (drunken) phone call. Ashamed to say there were a few nights together in there too. He would always tell me he made the biggest mistake of his life letting me go. I agreed with him. There is huge back story about his now ex wife and family and their (justified) hatred of me that also led to him dumping me, but the buck stopped with him and he just didn't love me enough, no matter what he says. I, however, sap that I am, always loved him, but the damage was so done and so was I. The whole thing really scarred me.

9 years ago I met a man. A lovely, kind, responsible man who I respected and had a deep fondness for. I knew I didn't love him passionately but I knew he would never let me down. Our sex life was never very good, but being in whatever dillusional frame of mind I was at that time, I thought I could live without it and that there was much more to life than sex. I was 31. We eventually married. We did not have sex on our honeymoon. In fact, we very rarely had sex at all. I would never tell anyone or disaparage my husband IRL, but he was unable to perform most of the times we tried. We eventually stopped even trying nearly 4 years ago. We haven't been intimate since. We both decided we'd like a child together, so as I had my own 'wimmins' problems, we used that as our excuse to go for IVF. We were very lucky and successful and we now have one child. It doesn't take a genius to work out the next bit...

Enter original MM. We got back in touch, we met, we slept together 4 months ago. We have now met 9 more times (it would be more but we live a distance apart) and have spoken/text/mailed eachother every day since. And here comes the cliche and I can hear myself, I know what I sound like, a fuckin' stupid idiot, but I love him. And I believe he loves me. We want to be together, properly and just do it right this time. Although, I accept it's been a very shitty start. Shortly after this first meeting, I finally sat with my husband and told him what I should have done months if not years previously, that the marriage was over. I did not tell him about the OM. We are now separated, although we continue to live together until we can find a suitable place for him to move into. We will co-parent our child and we are amicable right now. Probably due, in no small part to the fact that he doesn't know about OM. I know that we would have separated soon, regardless of the OM entering my life again. I was a fool to think otherwise.

OM is in a LTR, however, they are also in separate bedrooms, he tells me. I do believe him, as gullible as that makes me sound. He has told me he will leave in the next 6 months but he wants to make the break as 'gentle' as possible. They have no children together, but she has 2, one of which is a teenager and lives with them. He feels responsibility towards this child as well as wanting to spare his partner as much as possible. I do not agree with his strategy, but it is his plan so I will leave him to do it. We have agreed to have no more meetings and very reduced contact for the coming months until such time as we are free to pursue a legitmate relationship.

God, I do love him but I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully trust him and I'm so worried I'm going to be hurt again. Yet, yet, yet, I can't seem to stop it. What am I even asking for here? From you? I don't know really. A big bucket of wake up and smell the coffee maybe? I'm a fucking mess. Are we completely selfish bastards? Are we wrong for wanting to be together and have some sort of happiness for the rest of our days? Can anyone out there, any of you, see any hope or happiness coming out of this? I'm not a fool, really. I know we're not some modern day Romeo and Juliette, I know there is no such thing as 'soul mates' but if there were, he seems to be mine. He's my lobster... Has anyone had anything similar happen? Maybe you could tell me how it turned out? OK. I'm braced. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
MoreGilmoreGirls · 20/01/2016 16:12

Sorry for the typos

CheersMedea · 20/01/2016 16:12

Have you read that thread on here about "not being attracted to available men" - do you think this is an issue for you?

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 16:12

I need to leave this for a while, the realities of life with a kid beckon. But I will be back later. I have a lot to think about. And I know how horrible I am to a lot of you, but you're doing me a lot of good here, so thank you. Just let me say that he has absolutely treated me like shit over the years, but I do think he loves me. And I do think he wants to be with me. And I also know that I may never be able to trust him. The question is, do I take a chance or do I walk away again with what little dignity I have left (not much, truth be told).

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Kirkenes · 20/01/2016 16:12

It all sounds so complicated. I couldn't arsed with the drama personally. I'd start afresh. Maybe not dating for a while might help.

cailindana · 20/01/2016 16:13

I think you're fooling yourself with some sort of story about how you were meant for each other and things just went wrong because the stars were against you. The whole self-flagellation thing about how awful you are is utterly ridiculous - the person you're most awful to is yourself.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 20/01/2016 16:14

very reduced contact which will presumably involve sex? So he has his cake and eats it?

Do yourself a favour and start by refusing all contact with this man for 6 months. Take some time out for yourself and figure out why you would be signing up as the next "partner" in this mans life.

Be kind to your soon to be ex husband and think about how your behaviour NOW is going to impact your child.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 20/01/2016 16:14

very reduced contact which will presumably involve sex? So he has his cake and eats it?

Do yourself a favour and start by refusing all contact with this man for 6 months. Take some time out for yourself and figure out why you would be signing up as the next "partner" in this mans life.

Be kind to your soon to be ex husband and think about how your behaviour NOW is going to impact your child.

AnotherFineMess16 · 20/01/2016 16:17

Sorry, just a couple of things, I'll read properly later, but Cailindana, no I'm not enjoying this, I promise you that. I've lost a stone, I'm not sleeping, I'm a mess.

TreadSoftly, reduced contact, means reduced electronic contact. There will be no meeting and no sex. Of that much I'm sure.

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Gazelda · 20/01/2016 16:18

Cut all contact. Delete his numbers.
Find a way to build some self respect. Focus on bringing up your child.
He will never make you happy, you will never feel secure with him.
Don't entangle anyone else into this mess only to discard them, as you have done to your poor husband. I get the feeling you DH's sexual difficulties make your behaviour towards him more justifiable in your mind.

Owllady · 20/01/2016 16:19

It sounds like he's hopping from one family to another, leaving upset children all over the place.
I don't know how you even find that remotely attractive.
If you take the lust/infatuation away and concentrate on who he actually is, do you actually want him in yours and your child's life? I personally wouldn't

wotoodoo · 20/01/2016 16:20

You utterly selfish delusional B.

Put your knickers back on and THINK OF YOUR CHILD.

What have you created? What life do you expect your child to have with you?

It's about time you put your egotistical, sociopathic rocket propelling into nowheresville back on its launchpad, buy yourself a rabbit to quell THOSE urges and think about the beautiful, safe and stable life you can sort out for yourself and YOUR CHILD.

cailindana · 20/01/2016 16:22

Alcoholics vomit, get the shakes, wet themselves. They might not enjoy being an alcoholic per se but they do get something out of drinking, otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it to themselves.

You sound incredibly immature. I don't think you're ready to grow up. Maybe another bout of being treated like shit will do it, but it would be such a shame to waste more of your life.

LauraMipsum · 20/01/2016 16:24

I don't think anybody needs to be too harsh to the OP, she's obviously got some serious self-loathing going on right now. No need to persuade her she's doing wrong, she's doing a perfectly good job of that by herself.

I agree with a PP that it sounds like you have a self-destruct button OP.

From the way you speak about yourself it sounds like you have chronically low self-esteem and that makes you gullible / vulnerable to the promise of love.

You already know that going back to this man is a really bad idea. He's a serial cheat who prioritised his own sexual desire above his family and exploited a starry-eyed 24 year old to do it. He's cheated on his ex wife, cheated on you, he's cheating again, you know what will happen if you go there, he'll cheat.

Sixteen years is not a "shitty start" to an otherwise good relationship. It's a shitty beginning, middle and end. You've wasted enough of your life on him already.

You need to find a man you deserve. Unfortunately at the moment you don't seem to think you deserve any better than an irresponsible philanderer or an unsatisfying sex life. Maybe take some time to work on loving yourself and recognising that you DO deserve better.

Fizrim · 20/01/2016 16:24

Your poor child, dragged into this mess. Has the OM ever just had one woman at a time? I doubt it. Is this really how you want to live your life now you are 40?

Cleensheetsandbedding · 20/01/2016 16:25

Please do not inflict this man in your child.

He will see OM cheat on you - which he will and he will see his mum heartbroken.

Put your child before you both. Your child needs a good stable home. The OM can not offer this as he has a serious issue with shagging behind his partners back.

Men like this never ever change and don't fool yourself that you are the only one. Yes he maybe fond of you, but not enough to move out now. If he wanted you that badly he would be walking out on her now like he did to you many years ago.

I think you need to go get counciling on why you are attracted to such a man and why you have such low self esteem.

cailindana · 20/01/2016 16:26

The self-loathing is what she's getting a kick out of though I think Laura - she's positively inviting abuse on this thread and is thinking of letting a total shithead back into her life after he treated her worse than used toilet paper.

Cabrinha · 20/01/2016 16:27

He has treated me like shit but I do think he loves me.

Can you just take FIVE minutes to reflect on that?

That it isn't possible, people who love you don't treat you like shit. It really is that simple.

And please - think of your child, and how she feels when this new daddy fucks off out of her life Confused

Oh and her mother falls apart.

You have to grow up and be a parent now.

Cleensheetsandbedding · 20/01/2016 16:27

My husband loves me and doesn't treat me like shit.

I love my husband and I don't treat him like shit either.

He doesn't love you.

FellOutOfBedTwice · 20/01/2016 16:28

You are mad.

When I was 17 I got into an affair with my married 30 year old teacher. You could not have loved anyone more than I loved him. I loved him so much and when he eventually, after leaving his wife, slept with another girl of 18 when I was 22 we broke up. I was heartbroken. Had a nervous breakdown. I still loved him- I still loved him for years. But I wouldn't touch him with a fifty foot barge poll.

I'm, thank God, very happily married to someone I love with all my heart now but I too had a rebound relationship after my MM with someone else who I wasn't sexually interested in. And yet even then I would never have gone back to
MM- I loved him desperately and missed him like a physical pain but he was an unscrupulous, untrustworthy, morally bankrupt arsehole. So is yours. He is playing you like a fiddle. Again. Don't be played. You've wasted almost half your life on this prick one way or another. Get some therapy and cut ALL contact with this absolute bastard.

YouGottaKeepEmSeparated · 20/01/2016 16:29

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majorcrowdpleaser · 20/01/2016 16:29

Please think about the impact this will have on your child. This man sounds totally selfish and unreliable. It's time to face the fact he doesn't really give a toss about you and when it all comes crashing down again this time, when you are in a complete mess you wont be alone, you will have a child to look after. Don't be naive and think this won't impact on your child's life because I can tell you from experience - it does :(

StayWithMe · 20/01/2016 16:30

He will leave his ltr OP, when she finds out he's a cheating piece of crap and throws him out. I can guarantee you're not the first silly berk he has cheated on her with. He, of course, will tell you that HE left HER and because you enjoy all this subterfuge will choose to believe him.

Look forward to you posting on here in a year or two, telling us how he has, surprise surprise, cheated on you.

Funinthesun15 · 20/01/2016 16:31

So OM has had numerous affairs (2 with you)

You had an affair with him knowing he was married and in a LTR.

Although you are now separated you started your relationship with him whilst still married as well as lying to your DH about OM.

In answer to your question.

Yes you are both selfish bastards.

potoftea · 20/01/2016 16:32

You are in an addictive relationship and need professional help if you truely want to end it.
But I'm not sure you do yet.... You are making yourself into a victim and sometimes being a victim is easier than being a fighter.
What you did at 24 is if no conquence now, its over. But how the rest of your life will be is now up for decision. You love this man, but love is only one element of a relationship...trust, security, kindness, respect, are all important elements too. You can have the whole package, but only if you decide you want it badly enough to fight your addiction.

StayWithMe · 20/01/2016 16:32

with what little dignity I have left (not much, truth be told)

Do you seriously think you have ANY dignity left. Holy fuck! What would it take for you to lose you dignity OP? Honest question.