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Will he ever propose to me???

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Chareen92 · 22/12/2015 17:39

This might be a little long so bare with me.
I've been with my oh for over 6 years. We have 2 children together and have lived together for more than 5 years. Anyway the issue is him proposing to me. We've talked about it a lot and has said he wants to. He was the first to take me ring shopping 4 years ago and again 2 years ago. I just feel why take me if your not planning on getting me one I think it's cruel. I would t be fussed if he had never took me. There always seems to be some excuse. Money is not the issue so I don't know what is stopping him? We've had all sorts of upset over the matter and he knows how import marriage is to me. His big dream is to buy a house and I want this too so I am commuting just as much into saving for a deposit. My dream is to be engaged and married but he don't seem to be compromising. All he ever says is he will do it when the time is right. We have a very loving relationship but I'm now starting to resent him because I'm helping him towards his dreams but he isn't mine. What would other mums do in this situation . I've set myself a deadline In my head and I'm sticking by it if he hasn't done so by our next anniversary in a. Year then I won't be here any longer. I know people have different opinions on this I just feel like if he really wanted to do it he would of done it by now. He isn't aware of this deadline but I am not waiting forever for it never to happen. Hope I could get some advice o help. Thanks in advance X

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Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 20:23

Thanks ladies think I might go on the conversation of the buying a house and say how much do u earn yearly so we can sort finances and see how much deposit we need down etc etc see if he tells me or not. I don't think he will. But worth a try and then if he makes an exceptional amount suggest he helps a little more with bills and if he can't do that that I allrwady have my answer in life with him and our future. It won't be going any further than New Years

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 23/12/2015 20:31

I think it is a good idea.

Agree with the PP who said tell him you have "set a date for May 3rd, all he needs to do is turn up. You'll have your answer from his reaction."

Good luck

Mince314 · 23/12/2015 20:39

Bring that date forward a bit - why waste more time than necessary.
What about the first week in February?
Also he'll come up with some great ways to manipulate you and get aroudn you and weaken your defences if the date is too many months in to the future.

On the other hand, it seems to me that you're in the middle of an epiphany. I woudln't necessarily share that with him just yet. Think about things. Research rents, availability of flats, talk to revenue, talk to your boss. Read up on self-esteem. Look in to the very serious business of raisinng your self esteem.

Think of a woman you know who has it all sewn up, somebody you'd envy if she weren't so nice. Can you think of one? Would she marry your partner? Mindset is so pivotal to your decisions and your desires right now, and you're in the middle of this epiphany. The ground beneath you is shifting a bit. Do you want to risk tethering yourself to a man you might soon clearly see isn't good enoough for you?

Sallyingforth · 23/12/2015 21:02

I am so desperately sorry for you OP.
You still think you can change this man. I really wish you could, but it isn't going to happen. The posters above who have been in the same position as you have found that abusive partners don't change. I fear that in a few years you will be joining them in advising yet another victim. It's so sad.

Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:20

Well I have my answer. Bear with the long post.

First mentioned a house and about his salary he didn't want to disclose this said it was his business and his money. I mentioned the fact we should share These things he disagrees and said when we buy a house he would pay more. Anyway I didn't want to but I mentioned about if he wanted to get married he said yes I told him I want to be married before we buy for security, he said a house is way more important than marriage but I mentioned I didn't want a big wedding or a ring now just to be married would be good enough. He still wants to save up for a house. Well he earns 28 1/2 a year so nearly double my wage. He said so basically I want all his money. And this isn't happening. And said if we split he would quit his job so he didn't have to give me all his money and can't understand as to why he would have to fork out all maintenance when we would get Child tax etc. And then the word came. All women are gold diggers always want all ur money. Again still saying marriage is not important to him. I mentioned if he passed me and th kids would be left with nothing and he said we wouldn't get anything if we wasn't on his will anyway, don't know if this is true or not. But yes o finally have my answer he's a spiteful utter prick who will do anything to not pay childcare. His words again why would I give I all my money to spend it on urself. Is he formal it would go towards bills and elec for the kids too. He just said he would buy them what they needed end off I wouldn't be getting any

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Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:25

Did say we could get married before we brought but tbh I don't think I want too now. As he's proven his selfishness

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Want2bSupermum · 23/12/2015 21:25

Well now you know exactly where you stand. Start making plans minus him. It's Christmas in 2 days and there is no reason for him to be around past Boxing Day.

toopeoply · 23/12/2015 21:25

Oh dear Chareen , sorry to hear that. I guess you have your answer. He sounds horrendous. What's yr thoughts now?

Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:26

And he will not be giving me more money until we buy a house as he will be putting more deposit down.

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Lweji · 23/12/2015 21:30

Did you tell him that if you were working full time you'd be earning almost the same as him?

Who's after whose money?

Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:30

I'm upset, I thought I would get the answers I was looking for but no. Utter heartache I've only finally just understood with the help from I ladies if I'd of never found this page I would have never understood and would be in the same situation and moneyless. Thankyou ladies. I didn't think he could be like this to him a house is obviously more important so let him live his dreams in his big house all by his lonely self. Atleast I'll be the better one. A family is not as important as his money and success he's made hat clear that it was me who wanted the children, but he does not regret it so basically I should deal with it. What a shameful bloke. And to think this is the man I love and have been with for over 6 yrs

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Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:32

Oh pet. HOw awful.

Well for what little it's worth, we know you're not ''a gold digger''. He wants you to have nothing. To work hard at work, come home, work hard at home and to have no spare income and no security.

You are working hard too and you deserve to have the security that he has.

As horrible as it is to FACE this, I hope you can understand that this isn't love. His biggest fear isn't losing you. His biggest fear is losing half his salary.

He doesn't acknowledge you're contribution even though everybody reading this thread can see it. You're not a charity. You work, you raise children, no doubt you do more than 50% of the "wife work".

I am going to to ask you to trust me here. Leaving my x was the hardest thing I ever did. He had ground my confidence down to zero. He had made me feel that I needed to prove to him that all women weren't gold diggers (clever huh?!) and he made me feel I owed it to him to see the tiny tiny tiny bit of good of him when it was far outweighed by misogyny, meanness and entitlement.

I just want to be the voice of your future and remind you that you are a competent employee with a job, your children are going to get older, you will be entitled to tax credits, please, please VALUE yourself. I'm much much older than you! I only recently felt brave enough to go out on internet dates and it's been ok so far! no horror stories. I'm not suggesting you do that now but I'm telling you not to fear being single and to know that there's plenty of time. Please remember that you're not a charity.

I'm glad you feel some anger. How dare he plunder you like a resource? How dare he expect you to sacrifice all of your potential and all of your opportunities for his convenience! How dare he expect you to be the one who bears all of the financial sacrifice of parenthood. That is not love. It's entitlement, selfishness, greed, disregard..................

xx

Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:35

If it's any consolation, I wasted seven years with my selfish x!

This is not your life sweetheart. This is the rough patch that is going to make you stronger. This is going to make you appreciate eveything that you get so much more.

MissApple · 23/12/2015 21:36

And he will not be giving me more money until we buy a house as he will be putting more deposit down.

Surely you are not buying a house with him now?????

Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:37

Don't let him get his greasy paws on your deposit.

Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:39

I just really wanted my kids to grow up in a happy family and knowing their mother and farther are still together. I've tried my hardest at thr and I've failed to make it last. It's all I wanted in life was a happy marriage healthy living children were the parents stay together but it's become impossible and I feel most worst at that because of me never having my farther around and me seeing loads of different males around when I was younger I wanted a stable lovingg fanily to where my kids would be proud and when they go to school be able to say they live with their mum and dad which is something I could of never said as a teenager and it was hurting at he time seeing all other families with their mum and dad all together and happy 😔

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Want2bSupermum · 23/12/2015 21:39

You are worth more than this. He has zero respect for you and it suits him for you to be PT so he can be the 'man'. Well you don't need someone who is not working with you. It's going to be really hard but in the long run your life will be harder with someone like him around your neck.

If you were working FT your salary would be very close to his to the point where I would call it equal. Odious man isn't worthy.

Lweji · 23/12/2015 21:40

And he's not giving you any money anyway, is he?

I'd give him notice on Boxing Day to be out by the first week of January and start on the Child Maintenance claim and tax benefits.

Learningtoletgo · 23/12/2015 21:45

I'm sorry to read that you got such a shitty response from him OP.

On the plus side you've already got the best part of him in your kids, you don't need anything else. He can go now don't let the door hit your the arse on the way out

He is very naive about child maintenance. Good luck funding the big house he's dreaming of when he quits his job.

So if he's admitted to £28.5k then I bet it's a lot more.

Is he self employed?

Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:49

No he's not self enployes but he's working to be so that will be hard on the maintenance but Yh good luck with the house lol the job he's in will take him years to build income because he has to find clients first

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Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:51

I know pet. But that sense of disappointment at not being a family, it doesn't hang over you for ever. It's a process, an adjustment.

I genuinely feel proud now, of how I've coped, my strength, my empathy, how I run my household, how happy my kids are! We are a family.

expatinscotland · 23/12/2015 21:53

You're in a good place if you're renting from family. Time to tell him he needs to get out.

Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:54

Yes, as soon as Christmas is behind you download those forms. I'm Irish, I'm in Ireland, but somebody in the uk can help you and post a link to the right forms. It's all the same here. I've been through this shit. Believe me. Different country, same shit, but you will recover from this. Brew

Mince314withIcecream · 23/12/2015 21:55

oh you're renting form your family?

Estupendo

Wine
Chareen92 · 23/12/2015 21:55

I know it will be hard because I still love him, how did u lady's cope with a break up because I know my daughter will Ashland specially if u still love he guy? X

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