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Meeting Ex Casual Bf years later. Sh-tting myself. 2 questions.

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stopmenow · 16/12/2015 00:14

Not quite years but near enough. Was head over heels in love with him and this was a one way street.

Am scared I'll feel the same and also scared I'll feel nothing.

We stopped seeing each other because he hurt me badly (not cheating just inconsiderate treatment).

  1. Should I raise the reasons for our break up to clear the air? (I would kinda like an apology but guess that is worthless after all these years. Is it pointless to explain why he hurt me? Would it be better to be just "that's in the past forget about it and move on" without mentioning it.


  1. Has anyone done this and any tips or advice? How was it? Does this kind of thing ever work out?
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pocketsaviour · 21/12/2015 09:50

LOL @ Duck

OP why is it negative that you shagged him? Surely the whole idea of meeting was to shag him? If you enjoyed it then that was the positive. The negative was him giving you a load of old crap about "let's get back together" and you not calling him on his bullshit.

Why not seek out a reliable FWB with whom you have no emotional history to worry about? Or if you do actually want a relationship, start dating - don't start seeing a man who you know damn well isn't available except for sex.

That goes to SoThat as well.

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 11:03

This thread prompted me to do some Facebook digging.

I feel like shit now. I discovered my one is still with the one he dropped me for in may. I can see from Facebook there would seem to be some overlap ....there always is, these guys hedge their bets. He is also in touch in that way with another of his exes abroad. So he's always got more than one.

I feel like utter shit now. Why am i never good enough to be the gf?

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hownottofuckup · 21/12/2015 11:11

why am I never good enough to be a girl friend

What makes you say that? You've just established the guy is a cheating ballbag, I wouldn't judge anything based on his actions!

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Helmetbymidnight · 21/12/2015 11:17

You're lucky that you're not his gf. He sounds horrible. Why would you want to be with someone who treats you so badly?

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 11:18

This thread prompted me to do some Facebook digging.

I feel like shit now. I discovered my one is still with the one he dropped me for in may. I can see from Facebook there would seem to be some overlap ....there always is, these guys hedge their bets. He is also in touch in that way with another of his exes abroad. So he's always got more than one.

I feel like utter shit now. Why am i never good enough to be the gf?

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 11:20

Not sure why that posted twice!

He can make someone else his gf ...but for how long I guess.

To be honest if I had discovered he was single that would have been worse. Would have meant he was alone but didn't think enough to come back and contact me.

Ive had a rough year self esteem in the toilet.

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Helmetbymidnight · 21/12/2015 11:32

Linking self-esteem to men is guaranteed to fuck you up.

You need to be doing stuff for yourself. Studying? Dancing? Singing? Writing?

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RedMapleLeaf · 21/12/2015 12:09

Being anyone's girlfriend should never be the goal. I'm not convinced being a specific someone's girlfriend should ever be the goal either.

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Bogeyface · 21/12/2015 12:36

sothat he has a GF sure, but he is playing games with her too by the sound of it. I feel sorry for her, and so should you.

Look at it this way, you are ahead of the game here. You know what a flaky using scumbag he is, she has no clue as yet. You are further along the road of getting over being treated like crap by him, she has all that to come.

And is she really his GF? Or is she just a longer term victim?

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 13:41

You are all correct in what you say. I know that he is not a nice person. I .not deluded. I can see it.

He has cheated in all major relationships, he sleeps around when single, he strung me along for ages to get sex.

he also has horrible moods. Really bad. A long tiring day at work is enough to set it off. When you catch him in the act at something and challenge him he sulks and makes himself look the victim.

Is he now a model boyfriend? Maybe. The first few months it's easy to be nice.

I can see it all. But i wonder why i haven't been made his gf. He didn't even think that much of me.

Like the op I dont know what it is about him. If he contacted me tomorrow Id go.

I cant explain why that is.

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CheersMedea · 21/12/2015 13:52

Sothat did you used to have username Brokenhearted?!? I think you should try to move on from this guy - but I guess you know that.

OP - glad you have a nice evening. I agree with ohyes on this: -

But if you don't hear from him before he goes away for holidays, OP, then bad news.

I hope that you hear from him and you don't spent Christmas all pinning and miserable.

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DougalTheCheshireCat · 21/12/2015 14:49

Both OP and SoThatHappened

It's not them, it's you. But not in the way that you think.

SoThatHappened: they never make you the girlfriend because you are choosing emotionally unavailable men that never make anybody the girlfriend, despite what you think you have seen on facebook / heard.

It's you because you keep on choosing people like this. Because as well as being dysfunctional duchebags they are often good looking, charming etc. But they fire your radar for other reasons. And the cycle they set up is addictive (for you) and interesting / exciting (for them).

What you are feeling isn't love, it's addiction. Like caffine or nicotine or alcohol (to excess) you feel awful without them, and brilliant with them. But not because they are being brilliant for you, but because the relief and brief respite from being without them or alone feels great.

I spent my 20s in a serious of 'relationships' like this. The sex was invariably great but otherwise it was crappy, and it took its toll on me until I couldn't do it any more.

Read this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence and this www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/about/ and then get yourself some therapy. Figure out why you choose these duche bags, and then do the pick me dance (personally, it was because my father was the original Mr Unavailable. It's the most usual explanation. But not always. But it's usually something like that. Childhood, family dynamic etc. are highly likely to be part of the reason)

I did NLP, both one on one and then the practitioner course. I loved it as it helped me not just see the origins and pattern, but gave me a framework for changing not just my choices and behaviour but also how I felt.

I took some time off all romantic relationships. Then went back with a new approach and some clear bottom lines from me.

First one was a douche, but this time, I'd not slept with him before he fessed up that he was 'actually seeing someone who lived outside the UK' and although it was on its way out, things were a bit complicated so could we 'be friends' for now?

I said, sure, if your definition of friendship meets mine, which is regular communication, returning messages, no trying it on. And 'no thanks' if he meant 'Can I call you when I feel like it, ignore your messages when i dont, try it on when I want, sleep with you if you're willing, all with the 'but we're just friends' get out card already on the table which meant I couldn't complain about it'.

He laughed, said that was a bit intense, but he took the point, said he'd call me Monday. Unsurprisingly I never heard from him again.

And number 2? He squeezed in our first date before he went on holiday. After that (no sex) date, he'd arranged our second before he got on the plane to go. On the third, he forgot his wallet. He made an excuse and ran back to the office to get it rather than let me pay for dinner. He alwasy called before i had the chance to wonder if he would. He's my husband, we have 1 DC and another on the way. I'm very happy.

If I'd met him at any point in my twenties I wouldn't have given him the time of day, or even noticed him, as I would have been looking over his shoulder to his charismatic f*ck up of a friend / colleague / guy on the next table. And I have to take responsibility for a decade of bad choices.

You will be the girlfriend. To a man that you choose to be your boyfriend. But to get there you MUST sort out your issues rather than reliving your destructive traits and hoping the person least likely will save you. he won't. Believe me, he's too busy avoiding his own problems.

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 15:05

No Medea. I've never been a member before.

I guess it happens to lots of people: the Op's story sounded identical to mine.

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 15:21

Cheshire cat, he has had girlfriends before though for quite sometime. But then he cheats. So maybe even the girlfriends ultimately dont get much in the end. I dont know.

I never thought about it being an addiction instead. I will have a look at baggage reclaim.

I know from my work that NLP was discredited a very long time ago. Its not something I would recommend spending money on. Sorry :(

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stopmenow · 21/12/2015 23:15

So (as some people have already said) I'm becoming less "meh!" about not having heard from him. It's now 3 days.

On the one hand I'm thinking I haven't seen him for years, this was like a first date, I knew he'd be away over Christmas so I have no real rights or expectations that he would suddenly start calling me. We aren't actually together and I think it was an unspoken thing that we wouldn't see each other til New Year.

On the other hand, I'm thinking I'm really sad he hasn't made any effort to pick up the phone or drop me an email. (But then to say what really? It's just a bit box ticking for the sake of it to give me a bit of reassurance - which makes no sense really).

I don't know what to do. Part of me thinks - just leave it. If he's going to get in touch, whether now or in the new year, he'll do it when he's ready. Another part of me thinks, well maybe I should just call him or drop him a line - whether to say what a nice evening I had or actually just that it would have meant a lot to me if he'd called me or got in touch and I'm a little bit sad that he hasn't. If he is serious about getting back together (which I accept he may not be) I don't want him not calling me after we've slept together but then I am a bit anxiously attached generally as a personality type. He is the total opposite. I really have to work to not chase people to respond to me. I get really upset when anyone (friends even) don't reply to texts/calls/emails as I am an anxiously attached type.

But I don't have any rights to expect him to call me . He's not my bf but it's made me a little bit hurt. I expect now I probably won't hear from him until next year now - and this will get worse I guess.

bouquets to the "I told you so"-ers I did have a nice evening and this shouldn't actually make a difference. I mean I was very happy on Saturday morning and actually nothing has changed (in terms of hearing from him).

I'm really confused about how I feel and what I want.

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SoThatHappened · 21/12/2015 23:46

Just wish him a Happy Christmas?

If you want to say something.

How many years was it?

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Bogeyface · 21/12/2015 23:59

You have 2 options.

  1. Do nothing and still have that "the one that got away" feeling, even though you know that he just didnt give a toss.


  1. Text him "You used me, lied to me and led me to believe that there would be a future for us. Thanks for that. Dont contact me again"


Option 2 will have him replying saying that he is busy but he will definitely contact you in the NY.

Go for Option 1.
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ohYestoYestyn · 22/12/2015 00:29

hmm, Bogey, I think option two will elicit 'are you insane? it's only been three days' response or no response at all.

Best to stick to option one, OP. It's so hard. I'm the same, I really feel bad when anyone (but esp someone I really like) doesn't respond to a text, email etc. You are obv incompatible in the attachment style and you face the life of misery if you become his GF. You'll descend into more and more anxiety.

For this to ever work he needs to REALLY be in love, and to want a relationship at this stage in his life, so that he WANTS to adapt to you and change his style to something more considerate and less selfish. So far he is extremely selfish, i.e. doesn't think or care how YOU feel. If someone loves you they'd think 'how is she feeling now' about my actions, and how can I make her happy/content - a simple text or call in this case. It shows that he is either not in love or so genuinely commitment-phobic that it's no better anyway.

No way chasing him would work in either of these scenarios. I'm so like you - I prefer to act rather then sit and wait, but now I just avoid this kind of men altogether, would rather be single. I make a few attempts and then just force myself to stop as it's just pointless and leaads to self esteem issues. I think he MAY still manage to fight his phobia in his head (if he does care) and contact you to wish you Happy NY or before. Maybe he wants to see if you aer the same and chase him - great time to show him you aer stronger this time.
If so, once you meet him, please just tell him calmly that you can't accept this in future. Negotiate as if it's a business deal - either he meets your very reasonable needs, or you are not interested. Sit on your hands before that! If no contact, well very sad, but then never see him again. He had his last chance. Start dating others.

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TheWindowDonkey · 22/12/2015 00:45

Don't contact him in any way. Dont expect him to call you either. He pulled out all the stops to see if he could get you to sleep with him again, he pulled the line and there you were dangling on the end.
If he wanted to be with you he'd have made sure he floolwed up on that night and hehasnt. In this day and age there is no way he hasnt had a few seconds to send you a text. He hasn't sent it because he's not bithered...he knows he can get you any time he wants.
Seriously. Do yourself a favour and walk away and dont ever look back. Block his number, chalk it down to experience and go and get on with the rest of your life. Give yourself the chance to meet someone who respects you.

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Goingtobeawesome · 22/12/2015 03:23

Let him come back to you. If he doesn't, then it wasn't meant to be. If he does then you know he wants too. Only you know if it is more than a guaranteed shag.

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RedMapleLeaf · 22/12/2015 07:21

God this is one frustrating thread. It's like watching someone self harm.

OP for the love of god, be compassionate towards yourself and just let this go.

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Whocansay · 22/12/2015 07:30

What RedMapleLeaf said.

He got what he wanted. He has no need to contact you again until he wants another shag.

Do not contact him. Try and find some self respect from somewhere.

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Helmetbymidnight · 22/12/2015 08:13

Op- why not read your own thread?

You always liked him more than he liked you.
He treated you badly.

What on earth makes you think anything has changed?

The idea that he has some 'phobia' in his head about contacting you? What? You're now trying to explain that getting in touch with the woman you've just slept with after a long while would be just a 'box ticking' exercise. And telling yourself that you are an anxious needy type? Wtaf?

Can you genuinely not see what's happening?

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lurkingfromhome · 22/12/2015 09:03

For the love of God, woman, wise up. He wanted a shag. He got a shag. End of story as far as he is concerned. Stop with all the pointless analysis and get a bit of self-respect.

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Twinklestein · 22/12/2015 09:21

Telephoning a woman you've just had sex with is not 'box ticking' it's basic courtesy.

I don't think you are confused about what you want - you want a relationship with him it's just that doesn't want one with you.

You're confused as to why he's behaving this way - but the truth is - he was always like this. You split up over his 'inconsiderate' behaviour and this is more of the same.

If you are an anxious, attached type person then this guy is the very worse type to be fixated on.

So - don't contact him full stop. Detach yourself. If he phones for another booty call then you have to decide if you want this treatment to continue.

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