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DH doesn't know if he still wants to be with me.

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intheairthatnightfernando · 06/12/2015 22:45

In shock. Married 15 years, two kids 7 and 4. Shared friends. Always been very solid but have ups and downs, good phases and bad. So bicker. But always had each other's backs. Never doubted this was forever.

He has been off with me this last month. Snappy, irritated. Short with th children. Just not very nice. I have pulled him on it many times but he remains grumpy and disinterested.

Tonight I flipped and asked just what was going on. He says he doesn't know if he wants to be with me, he isn't happy. He says no-one else and I believe him. He can't explain why, he says he doesn't like who he is now, so intolerant and grumpy.

I don't know what to do. We have young children and I assumed everyone was a bit out of love at this stage. I have never ever envisaged parting. He says he doesn't know what he wants and is very sad about it. I can't bear to think our family could dissolve. But do not want to this lying down. Am sleeping in with our dd tonight, could not go to our bedroom after this. He is now looking bereft saying he does love me but is unhappy.

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blindsider · 07/12/2015 16:36

I am concerned this is not a good path to follow, this kind of sneaky behaviour is not me at all. It puts me in the wrong whereas so far I have done nothing wrong.

I think at this point you are entitled to be facing 'the problem' with a full set of facts checking his phone when he has already broken your trust is reasonable IMO

UtterlyClueless · 07/12/2015 16:36

Can I also point out location services only works if you leave the location service switched on, some people don't. I certainly don't.

Oneeyedbloke · 07/12/2015 16:36

AnyFucker
'yourself and all the other weak, needy and self-sabotaging individuals...'

That seems clear to me: you said I (and others) were weak, needy, etc. Not the behaviour.

AnyFucker · 07/12/2015 16:38

You make men sound infantile, OEB

I have more respect for them than that. I expect them to act in a grown up manner. If you no longer want to be married, do your family a favour and fuck off. Don't look for some OW to rescue you from the weight of responsibility on your shoulders. Don't mope around and encourage your wife to take the blame for your own inadequacies. And don't wait for her to tell you what you should do, like a 6yo waiting for a lollipop.

Pathetic behaviour.

LetGoOrBeDragged · 07/12/2015 16:44

I think you kind of have a point in that women tolerate a lot of shit and indulge childish men far too much. And many men have a massive sense if entitlement when it comes to expecting their own way all the time in life. I think women have a duty to disabuse them of this notion for our own benefit. A lot of men are lazy and selfish.

That said, many men are amazing husbands and fathers and dont need 'training'. Therefore it is a choice, not an innate character flaw in all men.

I think it suits some men to be considered a bit dozy emotionally and intellectually - it enables them to be lazy, selfish fuckwits and gets them off the hook when it comes to taking responsibility for their lives. The thing is, most men manage to be mature, functioning adults at work, which implies that failure to do so at home is a choice. They make that choice because they don't respect their partners enough or think that women's 'wants' are equal to theirs.

Lweji · 07/12/2015 17:01

So women who find themselves dealing with men of this type are faced with a choice: leave him and his inadequacies or, yes, try to fix them. For the sake of the relationship and/or children. Sorry, but somebody had to 'wise me up'.

I'm amazed that you didn't think at some point that your wife had exactly the same choices and problems regarding life with children as you did, and that she might prefer life without you than caring for another (adult) child.

It seems more to me that you were, and still are, prepared to dump responsibility at her feet.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 17:16

OEB my DH certainly taught our sons to be respectful, mature men. My DiL certainly didn't have to 'fix' my son when they married. There's always a bit of 'getting used to each other' in a relationship, but that's not 'fixing a man', that's just learning to live with another person. Certainly my DH had to adjust to married life (as did I) and perhaps his adjustment was a bit larger than mine, but he adjusted just fine without my 'fixing him', thank you very much! To say a woman needs to 'fix' or 'teach' a man is simply making an excuse for bad behaviour.

Perhaps if more women, when confronted with infantile men, instead of trying to 'wise them up' just stepped away from them and expected them to 'fix themselves', men would quit making the excuses for themselves that you appear to be making.

But I think we're derailing OP's thread. This thread is for her support and I don't want her to feel we've taken over it.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 17:56

OEB my DH certainly taught our sons to be respectful, mature men. My DiL certainly didn't have to 'fix' my son when they married. There's always a bit of 'getting used to each other' in a relationship, but that's not 'fixing a man', that's just learning to live with another person. Certainly my DH had to adjust to married life (as did I) and perhaps his adjustment was a bit larger than mine, but he adjusted just fine without my 'fixing him', thank you very much! To say a woman needs to 'fix' or 'teach' a man is simply making an excuse for bad behaviour.

Perhaps if more women, when confronted with infantile men, instead of trying to 'wise them up' just stepped away from them and expected them to 'fix themselves', men would quit making the excuses for themselves that you appear to be making.

But I think we're derailing OP's thread. This thread is for her support and I don't want her to feel we've taken over it.

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 07/12/2015 18:11

Oops!! Double post. Either that or I really want to make my point! 😤

Oneeyedbloke · 07/12/2015 18:50

Agree re derailing, Christmas. But I remain amazed by the number of times I read on MN that women simply expect men to be adults, shoulder their responsibilities, etc. (again, I'm not saying that they shouldn't) regardless of what kind of life experiences those men have had. It's great that your DH is teaching your sons to be respectful & mature etc. I hope I'm doing the same with mine - but some men get shit upbringings from abusive or absent fathers, is that such a surprise? Lots of men do. And they enter adult life without the gifts and insights your kids will have. I'm just suggesting that the OP might want to consider, does that fit her DH's behaviour, before she decides he's simply a selfish arse and bins him and the whole family relationship.

Lweji you don't know me, I don't know you, so why the personal comments?

LetGo 'many men are amazing husbands and fathers and don't need 'training' therefore it is a choice' [to be lazy and selfish}? That doesn't follow at all. You might as well say, some people grow up perfectly healthy, therefore it is a choice to be ill. Do you not accept the idea that, sometimes, the way people are - especially emotionally and behaviourally - is at least partly a result of the circumstances of their upbringing?

AnyFucker · 07/12/2015 19:06

It's not women's job to complete the social, moral and emotional maturation of their male partners

If more women fucked them off at the first sign of such tomfoolery, they would have to get their arses into gear or never have a relationship and a family at all

Which might be best in some cases

Helmetbymidnight · 07/12/2015 19:10

Fancy expecting men to be adults!?!

Er...

Lweji · 07/12/2015 19:19

why the personal comments?

Maybe because you posted about yourself?

Lweji · 07/12/2015 19:20

I remain amazed by the number of times I read on MN that women simply expect men to be adults

Well, any reader can only laugh at that, male or female.

LetGoOrBeDragged · 07/12/2015 19:23

One, I agree that the way someone is raised is important, up to a point. But there comes a time when you havs to stop blaming your parents for everything that is wrong with you and get on with the business of being an adult.

My dad had a really awful childhood but he is one of the men I am thinking of when I said that some men are amazing husbands and fathers without needing to be trained by their wives.

startrek90 · 07/12/2015 19:29

Op I hope that you are still reading. You sound amazingly clued up and strong. Confide in someone and kick dh into gear. If you want to stay together then let him know but insist that he makes an effort. Good luck. Supporting you all the way.

oneeyedbloke yes I expect my dh to be a grown up just as he expects me to be a adult. I had a difficult upbringing and abusive father and step father but I still behave like a mature adult. But then I guess I am not in possession of a mighty penis so I had to uh? You sound so entitled it's unreal.

TooSassy · 07/12/2015 20:02

I don't know whether to laugh or cry (or both) at oneeyed original post this morning

Please tell me that was a bad joke. What godawful advice. If you stand by that posting then I'll take it one step further and suggest that the male dominated upper rafts of management teams/ politics etc etc step down pronto and let real adults (I.e women) take over. Now.

Fuck me, they've had the monopoly (and largely still continue to do so) on running countries and companies and that is sad excuse is wheeled out. What utter bullshit. If I was a bloke I would be so offended. Most men (like most women) absolutely know what they are doing. And have full emotional capacity to make decisions and face consequences.

Oneeyedbloke · 07/12/2015 20:16

TooSassy I suppose you also tell depressed people to pull themselves together.

But WTF am I DOING here?! I'm taking my mighty penis down the pub for a pint & a wank, like a PROPER MAN.

Sorry, OP. Not my intention to hijack. Hope you & DH manage to work it out.

Helmetbymidnight · 07/12/2015 20:20

You think expecting men to be adults is the same as telling a depressed person to cheer up?!?!

OEB, that is seriously fucked up.

Lweji · 07/12/2015 20:22

Unless being a man is a mental health problem.

BloodontheTracks · 07/12/2015 20:28

Hi inthe,

Okay, so here's some things. Well done you for being strong and pro-active. I love how you say you are not going to be anyone's fool.
The things I'm about to say right now do NOT necessarily apply to you. I'm going to speak from a place of personal experience, statistics and experience of these boards.

It is extremely rare for a partner, particularly a man, to come to a relationship with an 'I'm not happy / I love you but am not in love with you' without an explanation and that be the whole truth. Adults have explanations for things. However, if there has been a lengthy period of mutual relationship dissatisfaction that has been discussed, then it is pretty common and often instigates a break up. If this is not the case it is almost always about some form of infidelity.

It is also very unusual for anyone who has framed the situation in this way to admit to infidelity. Most cheaters deny and all minimise.

I think it is extremely likely that your partner has been unfaithful in some way. I'm sorry. Even infatuations tend to be kept quiet about, to get him to say he is unhappy means the OW is likely to have expressed an interest too. So whether it is an emotional or physical infidelity, it is likely something is going on. your instinct as to who it is is probably right, though not definitive. Sometimes cheaters confide in someone of the opposite sex they are close to.

What is cowardly and sad about your husband's behaviour is that he is now putting all the onus on you to act. This is common for cheaters. They want to test the waters in the primary relationship to see if their partner will fight for them and do the 'pick me' dance, or leave them to be free to see the lover. but they don't want their hands to be seen as dirty while they test this. What follows is almost always a worse midway - a long, painful period of hedging and uncertainty and far far more pain than is necessary. The reason many advise to snoop at the point is because the truth needs to be brought out into the open and your husband's denials are just self-protective flailing. The fact he says he doesn't like himself at the moment is a symptom of guilt.

Unfortunately, and through no fault of your own, you are now in a terrible position and it will put a strain on your mental health as your husband likely gaslights you through the next little while. The best case scenario is that he, destabilised by your response, drops contact with the OW (or crush) completely and focuses on repairing the damage he has done to your trust. This is possible but unlikely.

If you cannot find proof, your choices are now, contact the OW you suspect (most people don't want to do this because of their pride and belief that she would lie anyway).
Tell him to leave the house if he is uncertain about your marriage and to only return when he is absolutely sure and with the whole truth, when you will decide what you want.
Or go into counselling in the hope that the truth will be forced out of him there.

Most people who act go for 3 which may be a good bet in your case. Since you pushed the confession of unhappiness out of him, there's a slim chance he might just be a bit depressed and disappointed in life. Most people do not choose option 2 because of the upheaval and the risk of losing their partner. This is totallly understandable. I can only say that almost every betrayed partner I know wishes they HAD done that at the point of the 'i'm not happy' speech.

What's upsetting is this could be anything from a long term full blown affair to a kiss at a christmas party, to a mild flirtation. Without knowing your husband, who knows. Also it is worth saying that you believe him when he says there isn't anyone else. Instincts are good. What worries me is that your descriptions of your husband are a bit damning. his 'wobble' at 30 does not speak well of him. Neither does your description of slightly drifting through the next ten years. He seems quite passive and this is exactly the kind of person who lies about infidelity and then wants someone else to make their mind up about what comes next.

I am sorry you are going through this. I am aware people will think I'm being hasty and presumptuous. To them I can only say I am glad you think that. That speaks well of you and your relationship.

NameChange30 · 07/12/2015 20:30

Oneeyed I see you've apologised for derailing/hijacking the thread, thanks. If you want to avoid derailing in future, I suggest you don't post about yourself or make sweeping statements about "all men" - instead, please focus on the OP and her problem. Thanks Smile

TooSassy · 07/12/2015 20:31

To answer your question oneeyed I would never say anything along those lines to a depressed person.

Are you in fact now trying to tell me that all men who act this way are also now suffering from mental health issues? Fascinating.

I work amongst men. Have done so for 15 years. I can categorically tell you that when some of them are bragging about the hot piece of ass they bedded the night before, they are far from depressed. Unless having your cake and eating it now falls under the radar of mental health issues?

TooSassy · 07/12/2015 20:32

Sorry. Totally ignoring the hijack from here on in. Back to the thread.

OP how are you doing?

intheairthatnightfernando · 07/12/2015 20:32

Don't fight on my thread! This was meant to be my haven.

Typed big long update but it's didappsred. It wasn't a happy update. Not eaten since breakfast so going to have tea then will type again.

Please stop fighting...

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