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I'm turning into one of THOSE posters...

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0verNow · 09/11/2015 06:26

...with multiple threads asking for advice about the same situation.

I'm trying to decide whether to end my marriage. I'm not looking for different advice from previous threads, but two of my other threads had to be deleted because DH found them, and the other is now quite long and things have moved on a bit - so I thought it might be better to start a new thread.

In summary, DH and I have been together for 10 years, married for 4 years and have 3 DCs.

There have been three issues in our marriage.

1. Right from the early days of our relationship, DH has been low-level EA. The kind of 'death by a thousand cuts' EA that sounds petty on paper but grinds your love to dust. This is the issue that brought us to counselling in the first place. DH is adamant that he wasn't deliberately abusive, just thoughtless and entitled and self-centred.

Since we started counselling, two more issues have emerged, each much more damaging (in my opinion) than the first.

2. Financial abuse. (I'm the poster whose DH spent £16k on counselling and lied to me about it.) I just didn't see it - in fact, DH had me convinced that I was crap with money. I'm still kicking myself that I was so blind.

3. DH's lies. He has lied about small things, and (at least) two enormous things (that I know of). I think lying is his default setting whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.

Of these, 2 is largely resolved going forward. I have separated my finances from his, and although I still don't have access to our historic savings DH has offered to add me to all of his accounts.

1 is tricky. DH has been treating me well for 3 months now. I'd be interested to hear whether people think this is a new, improved DH - or just the old one on best behaviour, in which case he's likely to revert to type when he starts to relax.

But 3 is the big one for me. I don't know that I can get passed it.

There is one event which I'm particularly struggling with. It happened in 2007, and DH has lied and lied and lied to me about it. He was even still lying about it after counselling started. He has now given me 4 different versions of what happened, each one painting him in steadily worse light. The last version, which only came out last week because our counsellor forced the position, involved him covering up behaviour at work which was gross misconduct at best, and possibly criminal.

DH says that it all happened more than 8 years ago, and that living through the consequences of his 2007 behaviour has fundamentally changed him as a person.

But from my perspective, it's not 8 years old, it's all new to me. And it's not just the event from 8 years ago, it's the lies he's been telling me ever since. And I'm not at all convinced that he has changed as a person - given the ongoing lies, big and small.

I don't trust him. I still don't know if I've got to the truth about what happened in 2007. I don't know if there are other things still to discover.

If I'd known the truth 8 years ago, I would have left him. I'm very clear about that. But we didn't have DCs 8 years ago, and now we do (DC1 was conceived in the immediate aftermath).

I'm also very clear that I would not be with him now were it not for the DCs.

Am I being unreasonable to end my marriage over something that happened 8 years ago? Will my DCs hate me for splitting up their home?

I just want to do what's for the best, primarily for the DCs but also for myself.

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0verNow · 14/03/2016 18:55

One day I'll be free - but the poor DCs won't Sad

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RandomMess · 14/03/2016 19:21

Hopefully once you are not there to be an audience it will stop, after all he may still be hoping that you will back down and not divorce him if the DC are going to be made to suffer.

Utter bastard Angry

0verNow · 14/03/2016 20:21

Then he's got another think coming. I can't bear to be in the same room as him. I've tried so hard not to hate him, but now I loathe everything he is and represents.

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0verNow · 14/03/2016 20:24

STBXH seriously doesn't think he's EA, BTW. He thinks that he loves his DCs and tells them so, and that if anyone's EA it's me for not working on our marriage hard enough.

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RandomMess · 14/03/2016 20:34

Well he is wrong, wrong, wrong and completely and utterly deluded isn't he. You do KNOW that don't you?

Dig deep Flowers

Can you arrange some weekends away with the DC so that they get some breathing space from him?

0verNow · 15/03/2016 06:07

Oh yes, I know that. He will never have any level of self-awareness, however.

I was supposed to have the DCs last weekend, although in practice he only left the house for 24 hours. But those 24 hours were really good (even though DC1 had a tantrum over homework - I was able to deal with him effectively and appropriately).

Next weekend, I'm away with my lovely friend, who is treating us to a spa break.

The following weekend, Easter, happens to include STBXH's birthday. He says he's taking the DCs for the weekend to see his parents. I'm not sure whether I'll get to take them to see my parents for one day - I'm going to ask and I don't think it's unreasonable to have one day out of four.

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0verNow · 01/05/2016 13:09

Just the briefest of updates - and it has to be brief because little has moved on over the past 2 months.

The one area of progress is mediation. We had our first session at the very end of March, and I was very impressed by our mediator (recommended by STBXH's solicitor, but nevertheless he seemed very even-handed and smart). He refused to let STBXH dwell (STBXH tried the whole "I'm too upset to think about practical matters right now" line a couple of times but the mediator was very good at pressing him gently for his views). It would be a lie to say that we made huge progress, but we have our second session next week and the mediator has made it clear (to STBXH) that we have been separated for more than 5 months now and he can't keep ignoring that fact.

We were given various things to do by the mediator to start things moving forward (complete financial disclosure; get a calendar so the DCs can see which of us is responsible on any given date; get valuations for the house). As far as I can see, STBXH has done precisely none of these, but I now have 'external permission' to take unilateral action. So there's a calendar in the kitchen, and three estate agents are coming round to value the house on Tuesday.

I had no idea at the outset that the actual separation of households would take so long. DC1 said to me the other day "I just want it to be decided so we can all move on". So do I, DC1, so do I. I wish someone would convince STBXH that...

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0verNow · 18/08/2016 19:55

Just wanted to let you all know that I'm moving into my new house on Tuesday!

STBXH never gave me full disclosure of his finances, but did agree to buy me out of our house for an amount that meant I could buy my own place and afford the mortgage alone. My SHL thinks I'd have got more in court, but I decided to cut my losses. We're sharing childcare 50:50, which means no maintenance either way, and I'm in no way beholden to him "remembering" to pay maintenance or similar - in 5 days' time I will be completely financially independent of him!

The decree nisi has come through and he'll apply for the decree absolute any day now.

I've also been asked out for dinner by a 23 year old former colleague, and I said yes! It's just flirtatious fun - I like pointing out to him that he's closer in age to both DS1 and DS2 than he is to me....

Thank you again for supporting me through what has undoubtedly been the hardest year of my life. Thank you.

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JennyHolzersGhost · 18/08/2016 19:57

Good luck with your new and shiny future OP Smile well done to you !

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 20/08/2016 12:17

Good Luck in your new home and for a happy life ahead, here's a virtual housewarming pressie Flowers Wine and Chocolate

SestraClone · 20/08/2016 16:05

Wow, go you! Well done. I was just a lurker on your thread but wanted to acknowledge the amazing progress you have made since starting this thread.

0verNow · 21/08/2016 16:21

Thank you. The stress of the past 10 months, separated but forced to share a house, has been almost unbearable. I'm so relieved that it's finally coming to an end.

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SestraClone · 21/08/2016 18:47

Good luck in your new home, time to make happier memories and enjoy the DC.

0verNow · 06/12/2016 05:57

I'm so happy in my new home!

The DCs are settled (DC1 asked for his birthday party to be at mine; DC2 wanted to be at my house when he was poorly because he likes it better, even though it was technically STBXH's day with him, so of course our nanny bought him round - two small incidents that meant a lot to me).

I've got the house furnished to my tastes and looked after to my standards. No more running around tidying up STBXH's rubbish and boiling with resentment.

My career is going from strength to strength.

Still no divorce because STBXH is dragging his feet. And no dating because I haven't felt like I wanted to. Perhaps in the new year.

I just wanted to tell posters that there's hope.

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ChuckGravestones · 06/12/2016 06:11

Excellent update. Flowers

strawberryblondebint · 06/12/2016 07:02

You are totally amazing. Well done. Honestly the worst is over now. Brilliant update

Trumpton · 06/12/2016 07:04

Just read the whole thread . Have a fabulous Christmas in YOUR home . So pleased for you.

0verNow · 06/12/2016 07:11

Thank you.

So many people in RL said that it would be so much harder to be a single parent than to be in a relationship, and was I sure that I was doing the right thing.

Well, it's not harder than being in a bad relationship.

I'm "lucky" in that STBXH has 50:50 care of our DCs. So I get a lot more time to concentrate on my career than I did before. I do appreciate that my situation is nothing like that of a parent whose DCs have no or limited contact with their other parent. But on the other hand I have absolutely no family support, so when things go wrong I'm entirely on my own.

It's still better.

I wish my DCs hadn't suffered. I truly do. But I arranged for all three to access counselling through their (excellent) school, and their counsellor reports that she has no concerns about any of them.

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