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aibu? i'm just so tired (v v long)

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thestamp · 26/10/2015 18:42

my husband has a few complaints about me, and has for years.

some of them are probably founded. others may be blown out of proportion. all of them are based on me and my very real strengths and weaknesses... things i have worked on for years but that can only be changed so much.

i love him and want it to work but he is just so unhappy and i feel like no matter what he always will be.

we have been together for over 10 years now, from when i was a teenager. back then i was gobby and immature and generally flirty and not a particularly amazing gf - but i always loved him and was devoted to him in my own silly teenage way. and i never cheated on him, hand on heart - but a few times, he very much thought that i did.

we were really tempestuous but we learned a lot in the early years and i thought we had a really good thing. we got married in our mid 20s. we have so many good times. we have wonderful dcs. we think the same way about money, managed to build up great careers, etc. etc. and have a great sex life.

but every few months, no matter what, it will come up again that he thinks i am going to "humiliate" him - cheat on him, gossip maliciously about him, something like that. embarrass him, disrespect him.

he says that it is because i have regularly (a few times a year) humiliated him, including the time he thought that i had cheated on him, 8 years ago. (i stayed on at a bar, without him, until closing time with one of his friends - was v drunk and was having one of those philosophical convos that seemed v important at the time. it was stupid and i didn't so much as kiss the boy. and i was 21, so also an idiot. dh seems 50% sure that i actually cheated on him with this boy)

other much more recent example: we were out with my work mates and he and another person were talking to me at once, one in each ear, not realising they were talking over each other, so i put my hands up and snapped loudly (pretty rudely i think) that i couldn't hear because everyone was talking to me ("aaagh stop it everyone is talking to me at once!!"). dh took this as me humiliating him and trying to embarrass/dismiss him in front of my friends, as a sign of my basic disrespect for him. i see it as me being impulsively rude, not thinking before i reacted, which i apologised for. this happened almost a year ago now but has been regularly brought up as a reason for him feeling down about our relationship. he will now not socialise with me when i am with my work mates.

(note, i realise alcohol was involved in both of these instances! in response, i rarely have more than 2 drinks when out with my dh because i recognise the trigger for my rudeness/thoughtlessness.)

there are assorted other instances that, to him, are a huge pile of things that add up to a big, bad feeling that he can never trust me.

i can see where he is coming from, to an extent. i would be hurt if my dh did and said hurtful things to me on nights out. at the same time, i know that i have never cheated on him and that my life pretty much revolves around him. i speak highly of him to others. i rarely if ever moan about him to friends (which is unusual in my group of friends!). i keep so much to myself because i want to do right by him.

whenever i say something like "i know that you feel this way but my rudeness is a reflection of my character flaws - i can be impulsive, snappy, rude, inconsiderate - not a reflection on my feelings for you" he will answer something like "but if you really respected me you would never treat me that way". to which i respond "but everyone says and does stupid things to their partner sometimes! it's part of life".

which he disagrees with. tbf he rarely upsets me. he is generally a stellar husband. really. the bad news is that when i do confront him about something, it WILL end up with him basically saying that he's done it because he has been affected by my long term disrespect for him. so i almost always end up apologising, even when it's me that was wanting an apology from him to start with. that part really tires me out.

i am so tired of being the bad guy. 10 years of being the bad guy is really wearing me down.

i can see where he is coming from but i am starting to ask myself, why did he marry me when he is so unhappy with me? he has said himself that he never trusted me so why even propose? why has he bought a house with me, started a business with me, had children with me, when he can't trust me? i have asked him and he has basically said "well i love you" and in less happy moments "well i just followed along with what you wanted".

sigh.

what does one do in this situation?

i was his first serious gf and i do think that he thinks there are women out there who are much more respectful and loving than me. from my perspective, i think he has got a good wife in me and i'm not actually sure he could find someone else who would try so hard to do right by him. aibu to think that?

of course i do stupid, really thoughtless things sometimes - things that can seem cruel even though they're not intended in that way - a few times a year say. aibu to think everyone does?

i tend to be a leader, he tends to follow me. this has led to many happy things for him but i feel he hasn't always been true to himself. but now, i have this dread that he actually SHOULD leave me, that he actually wants to, but never will because he struggles to take decisive action.

i just feel so so tired thinking about another 50+ years married to someone who is offended by things that i can't change. i want desperately for him to be happy.

he won't go to counselling.

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Offred · 30/10/2015 04:21
Sad

He's so horrible and passive aggressive. Do not for one minute feel sorry for him. His whole sadface/silence routine was all about punishing you and getting you into line.

He's worrying about losing control not things being wrong as such.

Telling people is a good idea, just in case.

NameChange30 · 30/10/2015 10:24

"Feeling really embarrassed and ashamed though. Feel like I am having to announce to the world that my dh thinks I'm a whore"

I understand it must be difficult to tell people, but try to remind yourself that his behaviour is his fault, not yours, and you have nothing to be ashamed of. You don't have to go into details if you don't want to - you could say that he is jealous, controlling and abusive, and leave it at that. But whatever happens I'm sure they'll be supportive, just like your friend was yesterday.

I think you're doing really well not to give in to him, by the way. Keep up the good work!

RandomMess · 30/10/2015 10:50

Just hugs & Flowers, the next 10 years will be so much better than the last 10.

thestamp · 30/10/2015 16:38

just talked to my boss. he has been divorced before (which i knew) and it was because his exwife was controlling and jealous (which i didn't know).

he is going to take me to see his solicitor next week.

my boss suggested i buy time if dh tries to get me to talk, by telling dh that we need to go for counselling, either couples (which i don't want to do because i know that therapy doesn't work when there is abuse/controlling behaviour) or co-parenting (which is probably worth trying). i may do that. i don't want to rush into a divorce discussion before getting my ducks in a row.

about to tell another colleague who lives near me since i may need to call on him and his wife if things get out of control this weekend.

i'm bricking it. on the bright side i only cried a little bit talking to my boss. not floods of tears. i look like an ancient crone today though because i'm all swollen and horrible looking from crying. blah.

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thestamp · 30/10/2015 21:46

just told my colleague who was very shocked. he has a MIL suite which they don't use and he has offered it to me if i need somewhere to stay in an emergency. and has given me his house phone in case of an emergency too (he lives down the road).

not so scary now. at least if something happens this weekend i am sorted from several directions.

feel low and drained. it's funny though. i look back at small decisions i have made over time... small memories that i packed away to look at later... i saw this coming. i am not shocked. the only shock i feel is the consistent jump in my stomach every time i say the truth out loud.

i've known for about two years that this was coming i think. there were times in the past when i saw the future momentarily, but the outcome has become clearer since i went back to work after our youngest.

i carried his children through high risk pregnancies, pushed them out through high risk labours, breastfed them for years, and then went back to work to make 75% of the cash... took us on holidays, saved for our retirement, talked him through every crisis... allowed him to follow his dreams on my dime (which to be fair worked out and he is a hard worker but he wouldn't have had the opportunity without me)... never a hair out of place, dinner on the table, lunches in the fridge, you name it...

and i still am under suspicion for random whoring. it beggars belief really. there is literally no way i could have done a better job - no way. he had a very good deal. and yet he had to destroy it all by his own hand.

i realised something today... his parents did this to him. they told him never to talk to "outsiders" about "family issues" and as a result their family life was allowed to continue full of control and abuse. he has replicated this in our relationship, and as a result it has become abusive. and he will replicate it with our dcs, which will force them to become complicit in an abusive situation. which is why this has to end.

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RandomMess · 30/10/2015 21:53

Well done. KOKO Flowers

thestamp · 31/10/2015 05:33

Dh came to me and unprompted explained that he has realized he was in the wrong etc and that he needs professional help and is a fuckup and is so so sorry. I sympathised but said we had to split even though hed had that epiphany, because as long as I was in his life he was not going to get better. He was devastated and sobbed for about an hour and I patted him and said I know how he feels and I know it's hard but we must split. He tried to dissuade me but I think part of the agony is that he knows I'm right.

Sent him off to spare bed with a hug and an admonition to be strong because he does need therapy and must get better for his dcs. He just sobbed and said how sorry he was and that he knows its all his fAult etc etc. I believe he is sorry but it doesn't change the fact that we have to part. He's been abusing me. If I stay I know he won't ever recover. Me leaving is his only chance.

I do wish someone would care for me the way I care for him. I hope one day I'm as lucky as he seems to be. I am proud of myself for setting the boundary and even sending him off to bed at 10:30 pm, because time was I would sit up holding his hand till 5 am if that's what he needed.. baby steps. I will get there.

Feeling really sad but less pukey/anxious now that it's been said out loud.

Life is really hard sometimes. Feel low.

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Fugghetaboutit · 31/10/2015 05:36

Well done Flowers you're doing so well

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 31/10/2015 06:09

I have just read your whole thread and I want to say how brave and strong you are. It took me years to leave my EA relationship and lots of back and forth. Try not to let him wear you down but be prepared for it.

Offred · 31/10/2015 07:23

Yes, well done. You are so right and very strong. Flowers

NameChange30 · 31/10/2015 08:55

You are brilliant, OP. You dealt with that conversation amazingly well. Hang on in there.

FantasticButtocks · 31/10/2015 09:07

Well done, beautifully handled. Your clarity is shining through now. Thanks

DaemonPantalaemon · 31/10/2015 09:33

You are an incredibly strong woman. I broke up with someone recently for the same reason, excessive jealousy, and I know how debilitating and wearying it is to constantly have to reassure a jealous partner. You are incredible. Stay strong.

RandomMess · 31/10/2015 12:11

Well done, KOKO Flowers

thestamp · 31/10/2015 14:24

Sat in bed crying reading your replies. Thank you for hearing me out. Littlest in bed with me on the iPad having such fun, while I'm dreading going downstairs to make tea/face him. I know he is dying to see me and talk to me (wear me down) and I'm going to have to field that. Have been dreading the weekend since Monday for this very reason.

This is another reason I can't carry on... we get down to the wire and what happens is he falls apart and I struggle against myself to save him. We switch from him being overbearing Parent and me attempting to be Adult, to him being devastated Child and me swooping in as a protective Parent. Even now I know that in little ways I will shield him from pain and the full consequences of his actions as we split. I won't cut him out, I won't let his tantrums or fears create strife, I will say the right things to snap him out of bad decisions and behaviour... I'll continue to handle him through this process because I am caught in the abuse cycle too and can't help but try to mitigate harm to the dcs... it will take a very long time for me to let go of caring for him. I've been guilty and afraid for 10 y. All my habits are centered on that. He doesn't get that yet... he wants me to stay with him while he gets better... but he hasn't realized that that I too have to recover. And I can't do that in this Rs because it's depleted me and I can't carry both of us anymore. I have to leave because I need to use all my energy on myself.

He needs so much help, but as long as I'm there he won't recover because I can't help but shield him from himself.

He told me last night that he couldn't go on without me and didn't have the strength to change if I was out of his life. I just said I couldn't be held responsible for his recovery. And he burst into fresh tears because he knew then that he was just doing it to me again - making everything my fault and my responsibility. It just can't carry on.

My heart goes out to him so much. And at the same time it's hard to be the strong one whose suffering is mostly unnoticed.

I think he may start to get angry soon though. As much as he thinks he's had an epiphany, sadly I think what's really happened (subconsciously) is he's realized I'm slipping through his fingers, so the emotional big guns are out to try to get me to stay. It's likely that when it becomes clear that I'm unmoved, he will shift (again subconsciously) into "do what I say you stupid bitch" mode. Well see. Hope it doesn't come to that :( if it does I will just have to take the dc and run.

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RandomMess · 31/10/2015 14:40

I think be very prepared to take your dc and run.

You need to get angry at him tbh. he has knowingly manipulated you, been abusive to you and the dc for years and years.

Please ensure you have all the paperwork you need such as birth certificates etc.

He could get very nasty very quickly. I would deflect any and all serious conversation with him - how about "We'll discuss that in mediation when we sort the practicalities out" You need to build your defence walls very very quickly and decide on a strategic approach to deflecting the emotional blackmail that is heading your way.

The fact you can predict this shows you just how abused you have been Sad

thestamp · 31/10/2015 14:55

Sigh.
I know you're right random.

He will be out today and I have a list of things I have to sort. It's in hand.

Will try to muddle through the emotional stuff. I'm just going to focus on boundaries. "Yes I can see you're very upset. It's hard. Anyway I need to go upstairs now" etc. Etc. Limiting the conversations we have. I did that last night and it did work. I can keep up with that and get better at it.

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RandomMess · 31/10/2015 15:25

"Yes I can see you're very upset, I am devastated. It's hard. I need complete space from you; I'm going upstairs now"

See - you need to start stating your needs back to him. You need to detach from him to save yourself and your dc.

thestamp · 31/10/2015 15:45

You're right. Detaching is what I have to work on. Detach detach. I will use your words. You're right I don't state my needs. I stopped stating them years and years ago. That's just occurred to me properly now...

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RandomMess · 31/10/2015 15:51

Another phrase to work on...

"The children need me to be able to cope, therefore I need you to...

stop speaking to me/leave me alone/respect my decision"

Another one

"The children's needs come before yours"

thestamp · 31/10/2015 16:09

Thank you. I think I come off as knowing what I'm doing but I mostly don't and really need help working through this.

He's just left for the day and is definitely upset that I'm not caring for him. This is tmi but realized that I needed to go to the loo as he was about to leave and my instinct was to rush so that I would be finished and in the hallway to see him off so that he would feel loved etc. (I didnt!) This is a man who would let me struggle up to the front door with masses of shopping and would only open the door for me if I put everything down and rang the doorbell. He didn't take care of me at all. And I have shown him so much care.

This is something he seemed to understand last night but I think he will quickly forget and will, as I predicted, start to get angry that I'm not helping him through his grief about our rs ending...

I know I must get angry... probably will soon. Have a feeling he will try to force me to argue with him tonight about how I am being cold and unfeeling. That might do it.

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RandomMess · 31/10/2015 16:17

Well as soon as he starts

"I don't have the energy for this anymore, you drained me of everything, I am going

out/upstairs/to bed

and just walk away.

If need be go to bed in the same room as your dc.

Any signs of aggression etc. in front of the dc or violence towards you call the police.

NameChange30 · 31/10/2015 16:45

Some really good suggestions of things to say from RandomMess.

thestamp · 31/10/2015 17:16

I have all documents. Can't find one item but will keep looking; not as urgent as the others.

I feel so so low and alone, and am dreading him coming home.

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FantasticButtocks · 31/10/2015 18:01

You are doing so well.

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